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does anyone have any clue why 3 out of 13 spots at NYU are unfilled? NYU is a very good program, I even ranked them fairly high, I'm quite shocked so many were not filled!
why did NYU PMR not fill
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Maybe they are too picky? Maybe they like to leave 1 or 2 spots unfilled in case some extraordinary student/resident is looking to switch into pm&r?
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The word is that they are trying to improve the image of the program by becoming very selective in the application process. Its hard to do with 13 spots and an already 'malignant' reputation but they are trying. There already has been major changes in the program since Dr. Moroz became PD, as new residents are finding that the program is less malignant than the reputation suggests and the changes will continue to re-establish the desire for top applicants to match at this program. How does recruiting top applicants improve the image of the program? Think of the residents you met on interview day. Also think of who buys BMWs, MBs and Lexus's (Lexi?) and who buys Escalades (same price) and what you see yourself driving. Exactly.
The 3 spots filled quickly with outstanding but unmatched applicants who interviewed there but did not rank Rusk, maybe because of the odd interview day and lackluster response from residents in correspondence, plus the reputation of the residency experience, plus lack of housing options in the most expensive area of Manhattan, plus whatever else. In comparison, NYP-C/C beat Rusk in all of these aspects, which made it a more attractive program. I believe that at NYU you get much more patient exposure, just by the shear number of the patient load (about 3x that of C/C), but of course this translates to much more work and longer hours and perhaps greater unhappiness. If you're not the type to take advantage of this aspect, the increased patient exposure will not benefit your fund of knowledge and clinical judgment, and it just means you're putting out fires and feeling out of control and overworked. Facilities are of course the oldest in the country as well, which makes the newly renovated Cornell look like Camelot. However they don't show you the facilities at Columbia for good reason, (although I think its still better than that at Rusk, but not by much).
I'm not trying to make a plug for NYU as I know that there are much better places to train such as Kessler, RIC, and the rest of the Super Six and a few others, but someone asked why NYU spots didn't fill and this is my best opinion.
As for the match, congratulations on where you ended up and if you're stoked, savor it and tell everyone about it. If you're at a place where you feel lukewarm about, make the best of it and know that in 10 years it won't matter much when you're making $230 a year or more, raising kids and living in that house with the white picket fence, driving your MB (haha so I'm biased), or after your fellowship (think of America as the land of 2nd chances - and third and fourth). If you didn't match, again think of America as the land of 2nd chances - but be honest about where your weaknesses are and fix them because PM&R will be more competitive next year and beyond. Don't blame circumstances and bad luck and other things you can't control, you can only add to your CV. Have courage and rock on!
The 3 spots filled quickly with outstanding but unmatched applicants who interviewed there but did not rank Rusk, maybe because of the odd interview day and lackluster response from residents in correspondence, plus the reputation of the residency experience, plus lack of housing options in the most expensive area of Manhattan, plus whatever else. In comparison, NYP-C/C beat Rusk in all of these aspects, which made it a more attractive program. I believe that at NYU you get much more patient exposure, just by the shear number of the patient load (about 3x that of C/C), but of course this translates to much more work and longer hours and perhaps greater unhappiness. If you're not the type to take advantage of this aspect, the increased patient exposure will not benefit your fund of knowledge and clinical judgment, and it just means you're putting out fires and feeling out of control and overworked. Facilities are of course the oldest in the country as well, which makes the newly renovated Cornell look like Camelot. However they don't show you the facilities at Columbia for good reason, (although I think its still better than that at Rusk, but not by much).
I'm not trying to make a plug for NYU as I know that there are much better places to train such as Kessler, RIC, and the rest of the Super Six and a few others, but someone asked why NYU spots didn't fill and this is my best opinion.
As for the match, congratulations on where you ended up and if you're stoked, savor it and tell everyone about it. If you're at a place where you feel lukewarm about, make the best of it and know that in 10 years it won't matter much when you're making $230 a year or more, raising kids and living in that house with the white picket fence, driving your MB (haha so I'm biased), or after your fellowship (think of America as the land of 2nd chances - and third and fourth). If you didn't match, again think of America as the land of 2nd chances - but be honest about where your weaknesses are and fix them because PM&R will be more competitive next year and beyond. Don't blame circumstances and bad luck and other things you can't control, you can only add to your CV. Have courage and rock on!
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I agree that its tough to correspond with the NYU/Rusk residents as the majority of them do not even know that this discussion forum exists. We will make a greater effort to respond to any questions or concerns through a new official PM&R residency website that will be in effect in the next few months with links to resident's email addresses. I think there are still a lot of misunderstandings about our program that we would be more than happy to address. Its true that with Dr Moroz as the PD, there have been many, many changes for the better as he is a very resident friendly PD. As with any large Rehabilitation program in the country, there are more patients to work with but its not unbearable. For example, as a pgy-2 here at NYU, I have 90% of the time came to work at 7:45am to start rounds at 8:00am and left by 5:00 - 5:30pm. Every once in a while, if I get a late admission, I stay a little later so that my fellow resident who is on-call doesn't have to do a lot of work. No big deal. And when I'm in outpatient clinics, I arrive later and leave earlier than the hrs aforementioned. As a pgy-3 and 4, it'll get even easier since you don't do that much inpatient care. As far as the housing situation, most people who apply right after the match should get housing by the time they start at NYU. Its those who apply late that don't get them. Its not guaranteed and priority goes to out of state residents. As for the facilities, yeah Rusk is old. But you only do a couple blocks of rotations there. What the applicants don't see are the rehab flrs at Bellevue hospital, Manhattan VA, Hospital for Joint Disease, and Brooklyn VA. Not to say that the others are like a Four Seasons hotel, but I'm just saying that there is a variety of patient populations as well as attendings to work with. All except for Brooklyn VA (which is an outstanding rotation) are all lined up on 1st Ave so commuting is not an issue.
Either way, I'll try to do my best to address any specific issues about NYU/Rusk in the near future until the website is up.
Congratulations to all who matched this year!
Either way, I'll try to do my best to address any specific issues about NYU/Rusk in the near future until the website is up.
Congratulations to all who matched this year!
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Makes me a bit nervous since I am supposed to start there in July.
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A friend of mine going there with me in July spoke with Moroz today on the phone...basically this is his first year as PD since Thistle retired and while that might have contributed to it...not really. The part that made me believe him the most was the fact that he was kinda uncertain. He didn't try and just elate me with crap, he said that his is still trying to get to the bottom of it but his best guess was the following, and mind you this is from his mouth directly:
His first order of business was to get even better quality residents, not to say that the ones there now are not first class, he just wanted to try and obtain the highest quality possible, thus he went more on board scores and grades and than ever before. People going into PM&R sometimes also go for ortho and needless to say have great records, but ortho will be their priority and if ortho takes them, PM&R is high and dry. So people that they normally would have taken earlier were ranked later. And they didn't rank as many which he said was a mistake but not one he truly anticipated. The 3 that came in...without going into specifics, were people considered extremely strong applicants during the interview, might not have been truly enchanted with the sales pitch in the doll room, didn't rank NYU but are there now, and ecstatic.
Dr. Moroz is awsome and wants to sit down with his residents to see how to make this program the most appealing and is willing to go to bat for the changes. I am very excited to be at this program and hope this disuades any rumors, especially the malignant stuff.
His first order of business was to get even better quality residents, not to say that the ones there now are not first class, he just wanted to try and obtain the highest quality possible, thus he went more on board scores and grades and than ever before. People going into PM&R sometimes also go for ortho and needless to say have great records, but ortho will be their priority and if ortho takes them, PM&R is high and dry. So people that they normally would have taken earlier were ranked later. And they didn't rank as many which he said was a mistake but not one he truly anticipated. The 3 that came in...without going into specifics, were people considered extremely strong applicants during the interview, might not have been truly enchanted with the sales pitch in the doll room, didn't rank NYU but are there now, and ecstatic.
Dr. Moroz is awsome and wants to sit down with his residents to see how to make this program the most appealing and is willing to go to bat for the changes. I am very excited to be at this program and hope this disuades any rumors, especially the malignant stuff.
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