Why do 3.8+/514+ applicants sometimes not get into medical school?

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Hello all,

I've been active on this forum for a while, and I've noticed many people bring up the stereotypical "3.8/517" applicant who gets no secondaries, interviews and acceptances.

If this applicant does indeed exist, what is the cause of he or she not getting into medical school?

Does anyone have any ideas of the specific areas of the application which tend to be overwhelmingly lacking in this candidate?

How many of these applicants get rejected every cycle?

I absolutely agree that grades and test scores shouldn't be the only factor in admission. I'm just wondering what specific reasons an admissions committee tends to have for rejecting an applicant who is otherwise academically excellent.
 
Hello all,

I've been active on this forum for a while, and I've noticed many people bring up the stereotypical "3.8/517" applicant who gets no secondaries, interviews and acceptances.

If this applicant does indeed exist, what is the cause of he or she not getting into medical school?
A mix of not having the right/enough extracurriculars, poor writing skills/reasoning for wanting to attend, and, probably most importantly in my opinion, not making a good school list. Nobody is a shoe-in at any school, so you need to apply smart and choose the right schools. I suspect that many of these individuals aim mostly at top schools and miss out.
Does anyone have any ideas of the specific areas of the application which tend to be overwhelmingly lacking in this candidate?
Making good school lists. Some people with high stats may have dedicated all of their time to studying and not doing volunteer and clinical work. Tough to tell since really all we know about that this subset is that they're academically strong.
How many of these applicants get rejected every cycle?
Based on this, about 12-17% don't get in anywhere.
 
These people tend to fall into two classes, which are defined by how far they get into the application process
1. Not given an interview invite: Some part about their profile was insufficient (often not enough clinical exposure)
2. Given interview invites, but no acceptance: Bad interviewers.

Good grades get your foot in the door, but this isn't an academic profession. A 528 won't make up for horrible, terrible people skills in a personal statement or interview.
 
There are actually tons of reasons:

-Red flag on Application
-Negative LOR
-Egregious Personal Statement or Essays
-Failed to check any of the other boxes needed for medical school besides GPA/MCAT
-Didn't apply to enough schools
-Applied only to top 20 schools
-Applied to OOS schools that have huge instate biases
-Terrible Personality
-Just bad luck. This happens across the spectrum of qualified applicants, adcoms aren't perfect and a lot of it is luck in determining which of the 15 kids out of 300 identical qualified applicants with similar stats will get an interview invite.

I would say the most common from my experience is just under-applying in general or applying to the correct number of schools but not meeting the qualifications of those schools.
 
I've noticed many people bring up the stereotypical "3.8/517" applicant who gets no secondaries, interviews and acceptances.

Does anyone have any ideas of the specific areas of the application which tend to be overwhelmingly lacking in this candidate?
Everyone gets Secondaries as many schools do not screen applicants prior to sending them out. As for interviews and acceptances:

The PS radiates a sense of entitlement.
Essays do not match the quality of the Personal Statement, making it questionable as to who the true authors were.
Applicant previously applied with a much lower MCAT score, which some schools average.
LORs reveal red-flag flaws.
Interviews provide evidence that the applicant does not have good interpersonal skills or fail to validate claimed Experiences.

And the list goes on.
 
Hello all,

I've been active on this forum for a while, and I've noticed many people bring up the stereotypical "3.8/517" applicant who gets no secondaries, interviews and acceptances.

If this applicant does indeed exist, what is the cause of he or she not getting into medical school?

Does anyone have any ideas of the specific areas of the application which tend to be overwhelmingly lacking in this candidate?

How many of these applicants get rejected every cycle?

I absolutely agree that grades and test scores shouldn't be the only factor in admission. I'm just wondering what specific reasons an admissions committee tends to have for rejecting an applicant who is otherwise academically excellent.
Bad essays, reeking of ego and entitlement
Bad or weak LOR
Weak ECs
Poor school list
Bad interviewers.
 
At some places it will.
Interviews yes, acceptances no.


I have personally rejected several people fulfilling the criteria described above who had mcats of > 520.

A high MCAT score will not remediate character or personality defect
 
I would say the primary reason is not making a good school-list. The AAMC says that around 89% of students with a 3.8+ and a 517+ will be accepted into at least one MD school. However, if a student only applies to a limited number of schools, applies very late, applies only to top 20 schools, doesn't have any experience in clinical settings, or half-asses the application process, then I believe that constitutes the vast majority of the 500 students who do not get accepted into an MD school with those stats. However, if a student gets interviews but consistently gets rejected after the interview, then there's a problem with interpersonal communication.
 
Hello all,

I've been active on this forum for a while, and I've noticed many people bring up the stereotypical "3.8/517" applicant who gets no secondaries, interviews and acceptances.

If this applicant does indeed exist, what is the cause of he or she not getting into medical school?

Does anyone have any ideas of the specific areas of the application which tend to be overwhelmingly lacking in this candidate?

How many of these applicants get rejected every cycle?

I absolutely agree that grades and test scores shouldn't be the only factor in admission. I'm just wondering what specific reasons an admissions committee tends to have for rejecting an applicant who is otherwise academically excellent.

All stat and no cattle.
 
All stat and no cattle.
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I initially only got into my state school with 3.94 and 516 stats. I didn't get off waitlists until my pre-med advisor went to bat for me, letting people know some things about me that I didn't have in my application (dead parent, criminal elements in family). Looking back, I wasn't telling my real story, but I also painted a boring story. I had plenty of volunteering, but it was tied to a service fraternity. I worked, but not everyone bothered to look at my SES score to understand that I couldn't have gone to this school without a full-ride scholarship. Make your voice clear.
 
Sometimes an applicant doesn't get in because the applicant is a resident of the wrong state. Rejected applicants with great stats from California, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Iowa are as common as beer guts in Milwaukee. However, I guarantee you that someone with stellar stats from West Virginia, Michigan, Mississippi, Arkansas or New Mexico will get in (provided there is no criminal history or history of academic fraud) no matter how boring he or she might be. It's all in the data.
https://www.aamc.org/download/321502/data/factstablea20.pdf
 
Sometimes an applicant doesn't get in because the applicant is a resident of the wrong state. Rejected applicants with great stats from California, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Iowa are as common as beer guts in Milwaukee. However, I guarantee you that someone with stellar stats from West Virginia, Michigan, Mississippi, Arkansas or New Mexico will get in (provided there is no criminal history or history of academic fraud) no matter how boring he or she might be. It's all in the data.
https://www.aamc.org/download/321502/data/factstablea20.pdf

This is why it's important to have a strategic list and not focus on a single geographic area or a particular set of schools
 
Are international students also included in the AAMC data which shows 11% of 3.8+ 517+ failing to get an MD admit?
 
FYI, Here are some things that get people rejected immediately:


· Being unprofessional for any reason. An example is addressing a faculty member by their first name. Another is chewing gum during the interview. If you have a dry mouth, suck on a lozenge instead. BTW, the interview lasts all day. Acting unprofessionally during your tour, like yelling at a parking attendant, or trashing the school, or expecting the Admissions Office staff to hang up your coat or fetch you coffee is duly noted and affects your fate accordingly.


· Not taking the interview seriously, like showing up poorly dressed. This is suit and tie time (and nice dress/outfit/suit for the ladies). You're going into character. Yes, if the airline loses your luggage, we understand that.


· Do NOT be arrogant. People who think that they're God's gift to Medicine do not go into Medicine.


· Being too shy or nervous. Being quiet is OK; being monosyllabic or robotic is not.


· Not making eye contact is also a no-no (yes I'm aware that in some cultures, one does not look elders in the eye, but this is the USA and you need to look people in the eye here).


· Any hints of immaturity will be lethal for your chances. We expect you to be thoughtful and self-aware. Would you admit the gal who, when asked a hypothetical, "What would you do in this situation?" answers, "Oh, that wouldn't happen."


· Showing you're greedy.


· Showing any hint of entitlement. This includes the “I was accepted to XSOM, so what are you going to do for me?” The answer will be “Good luck and have fun at XSOM.


· Being clueless as to why you're choosing Medicine as a career.


· Doing this because your mom/dad wants you to be a doctor (or don't think you can be doctor).


· Completely lacking people skills (4.0 automatons are a dime a dozen, really).


· Showing that you're more interested in research than Medicine. This might be OK at Stanford, but it won’t fly at most other schools.


· Still being the hyper-gunner...I rejected a 4.0 gal who wanted to answer the questions I asked of another person in the interview panel. I don't want to admit someone who will be in my office whining about how they got a 95 on an exam and deserved a 96.


· Having a flat affect. This might be due to medication, or a mental or personality disorder. You ever meet someone who could never crack a smile? I don't want someone like that touching patients.


· Copping an attitude. I asked a woman why she didn't have any volunteer experience. She replied that she was too busy working. Fair enough, some people have lives, but she copped an attitude while delivering this, and I just wrote down "reject".


· Coming in with scripted answers and being unable to deviate from said script.


· Being ill-prepared for fairly common interview questions (e.g. Why this school? Why Medicine?)


· Thinking that always circling back to your accomplishments and how great you are impresses us.


· Making excuses for misdeeds. We had rejected someone once who had some fairly benign misdemeanors, but blamed it on the policemen who gave him the tickets.


· Don’t do show and tell. I don’t want you pulling out a binder with your resume or portfolio. Let your application speak for you.


· Being a babbling idiot. These are those people who can't answer a question concisely. I've sure you've met people like this...why bother using one word when ten will do? I suspect that they’re thinking for an answer while they're speaking, so the mouth is going while the brain tries to come up with something.


· It’s OK to gather your thoughts, but it’s not OK to blank out. This group includes the people who do something like this (and I am NOT making this up!):

goro: So tell me about this trip to Honduras
Interviewee: Well, we went there for a mission trip and...what was the question?
goro: (thinking: reject!)


Or the guy who, when asked "How does your hobby relate to the practice of Medicine?", and can't even say "It doesn't", and definitely can't even BS an answer, but sits there in a coma?
 
I was one of said people (though the MCAT wasn't on the 500 scale back then--evidently my score is equivalent of 518, and I had a 4.0 the first time I applied).

I happened to interview at one school during both my cycles--I was waitlisted the first time, and accepted the second time. I was told at my second interview that I was seen as too young and immature to start med school (I was 19-20 the first time I applied). I had plenty of stuff on my application, but wasn't seen as 'worldly', whatever that means.

FWIW, I got into a great school the second time I applied and am now in my top choice for fellowship.

So, agree with above. What it shows on paper is not everything. You have to have something besides just grades and scores to recommend you. You have to have personality and a life outside of medical school.
 
Last year we had an interviewee with a 3.95 from a fine CA university and an MCAT in the 100th percentile who became a re-applicant.
His interviews were ok, but his behavior in every other regard was repugnant. While on the tour, he loudly proclaimed that this was a mere back-up school for him. He boasted about his "accomplishments" in a lab at self-same fine university. He treated the admissions staff like servants.

I was actually surprised (and reassured) to see that he wasn't able to buffalo at least one school into accepting him. ...and no, we didn't re-interview him.
 
· Showing that you're more interested in research than Medicine. This might be OK at Stanford, but it won’t fly at most other schools.

What indicators would point to this in an applicant? I conducted research throughout undergrad and had two research internships at top 10 institutions that were geared towards getting minorities into health careers. I also had to support myself through college and because of this did not have much time to do volunteering in general. My clinical exposure is limited to one summer, where I shadowed and volunteered in a hospital, and non-clinical is peppered throughout college.

Also, what schools would it more likely be acceptable at?
 
What indicators would point to this in an applicant? I conducted research throughout undergrad and had two research internships at top 10 institutions that were geared towards getting minorities into health careers. I also had to support myself through college and because of this did not have much time to do volunteering in general. My clinical exposure is limited to one summer, where I shadowed and volunteered in a hospital, and non-clinical is peppered throughout college.

Also, what schools would it more likely be acceptable at?
In their app:
2000 hrs of research
50-100 hrs volunteering.

At interviews, they liven up only when talking about research
 
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For a 517/3.8 gpa missing would be mostly arrogance, poor personal statment, no clinical experience.
I feel it as hard to imagine who has such a good score to be arrogant. Can any body write a poor personal statement. How does it look like. Agreed no clinical experiance could be a possibility because of busy school hours and going around grades.
Per AAMC grid, 15% percent of the people miss out because of this problem. I get a feel that there could be something else which are probably a criteria in not i nterviewing these folks.
 
Really bad personal statements. I have a friend who has pretty much a 3.8/514 and he asked me to help edit his PS and I honestly had no idea what he was talking about. But his mindset of "applying early = best chances" got the better of him and he sent in his app anyways a few days after applications opened. So far he has yet to receive an interview.
 
Showing that you're more interested in research than Medicine. This might be OK at Stanford, but it won’t fly at most other schools.
Tbh after being here for a while now, this isn't really true here either. The school definitely values research experience a lot, but this hasn't exactly caused admissions to value clinical experience/interest in medicine any less than their peer institutions, and that definitely remains by far the more important quality. While i've met a bunch of people who came in with very minimal research experience, i'm not aware of even a single person that didn't have convincing reasons for wanting to pursue medicine coming in, and considerable prior clinical experience. Half the class might come in with publications, but the entire class every year comes in with very strong clinical backgrounds.
 
I'm sure that the time that they apply during the application cycle has an effect. Applying in September, even with a great score and GPA can hurt you.
 
Well, I'll let you know at the end of this cycle if I blank on all my schools. After a lot of introspection, I think my personal statement is my weakest point. Not hitting the panic button yet though because I've had a few II's.
 
Crappy personal statement/secondaries, zero EC’s, horrible interviewing skills.


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Hello all,

I've been active on this forum for a while, and I've noticed many people bring up the stereotypical "3.8/517" applicant who gets no secondaries, interviews and acceptances.

If this applicant does indeed exist, what is the cause of he or she not getting into medical school?

Does anyone have any ideas of the specific areas of the application which tend to be overwhelmingly lacking in this candidate?

How many of these applicants get rejected every cycle?

I absolutely agree that grades and test scores shouldn't be the only factor in admission. I'm just wondering what specific reasons an admissions committee tends to have for rejecting an applicant who is otherwise academically excellent.

Bad state or bad school list are probably the most common from what I’ve seen.

Applicants with those stats can something just apply to the very top schools and overestimate themselves.


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There have been a ton of really accurate thighs here. As someone who fit this bill and had some difficulties, I'll point out two things that I would have done much differently.

1. Applying to almost all top schools. I went through the MSRE before applying and did the stats to figure out where I would be most likely to get in as an out of stater, because a vast majority of the schools accepted like 98% of their students from in state, and I didn't have a billion med schools like people from Massachusetts do. But the schools that really don't care where you come from are either at the very top of the list or the very bottom in terms of reputation, and of course I didn't really want to go to somewhere at the very bottom of the list if I could avoid it. I figured that with my application (which was quite well rounded, no glaring omissions, certainly) I was fine with doing 25 schools even with most of them being top schools. And I got interviews. But I'll tell you, when you interview at Harvard, everyone has those grades. And while I had some research and a pub, it's hard to compete with first-author Nature pubs at a school like that. And of course, when other schools see that you have a ton of top tier schools and then you're interviewing with them, they automatically assume it's as a fallback, so they either don't give an interview at all or waitlist you instead of accepting you, unless you specifically show a lot of interest in them. Of my 7 interviews, 4 were top 10, 2 were top 20, and one was top third. No one else bothered to interview me because they figured I wouldn't go there. In the end, I got rejects mostly and a couple waitlist (from the lower two on the list) and had to send a letter to the one I preferred to get that waitlist turned into an acceptance. Of course, maybe I'm a horrid interviewer, but everyone I practice interviewed with thought I did great, and these were people who do interviews for a living. (Well, there was a glaring issue with that looking back, which is my #2 point. But I honestly don't think it would have made much of a difference.) Seriously, diversify that school list or the numbers game will kill you no matter your stats.

2. Bad advice. Don't get interview advice from your PhD PI. Don't get it from doctors that aren't involved in admissions. Get it from recent acceptances to med school and faculty involved in interviewing. Goro mentioned above not to do "show and tell," bringing in a portfolio. Guess what my PI told me he loves to see when he sees candidates for grad school come in? Yup, a research portfolio, to show they're prepared and taking it seriously. And I stupidly thought it was a good idea, because all the other people I asked about it also had no experience interviewing med students. In the end, I think it felt gimmicky and/or that I was trying to make up for a deficit by bringing that in. Goro is spot on; it's in your application, at least for the most part, so don't do stuff like this. But while I do think it hurt me, I don't think it was an automatic excluder from any school. It's just that if you're going to go to schools where everyone is a stellar applicant, you really can't have ANYTHING make you seem odd. Even if you do seem perfect, again, the numbers game will get you.

Hope that helps!
 
I’ve been told that some of these students are viewed by some schools as “Less likely to enroll” so they don’t extend a spot to them because they could fill it with another student who is more likely to come
 
I’ve been told that some of these students are viewed by some schools as “Less likely to enroll” so they don’t extend a spot to them because they could fill it with another student who is more likely to come

Very, very unlikely unless the applicant has a terrible, terrible school list.
 
There have been a ton of really accurate thighs here. As someone who fit this bill and had some difficulties, I'll point out two things that I would have done much differently.

1. Applying to almost all top schools. I went through the MSRE before applying and did the stats to figure out where I would be most likely to get in as an out of stater, because a vast majority of the schools accepted like 98% of their students from in state, and I didn't have a billion med schools like people from Massachusetts do. But the schools that really don't care where you come from are either at the very top of the list or the very bottom in terms of reputation, and of course I didn't really want to go to somewhere at the very bottom of the list if I could avoid it. I figured that with my application (which was quite well rounded, no glaring omissions, certainly) I was fine with doing 25 schools even with most of them being top schools. And I got interviews. But I'll tell you, when you interview at Harvard, everyone has those grades. And while I had some research and a pub, it's hard to compete with first-author Nature pubs at a school like that. And of course, when other schools see that you have a ton of top tier schools and then you're interviewing with them, they automatically assume it's as a fallback, so they either don't give an interview at all or waitlist you instead of accepting you, unless you specifically show a lot of interest in them. Of my 7 interviews, 4 were top 10, 2 were top 20, and one was top third. No one else bothered to interview me because they figured I wouldn't go there. In the end, I got rejects mostly and a couple waitlist (from the lower two on the list) and had to send a letter to the one I preferred to get that waitlist turned into an acceptance. Of course, maybe I'm a horrid interviewer, but everyone I practice interviewed with thought I did great, and these were people who do interviews for a living. (Well, there was a glaring issue with that looking back, which is my #2 point. But I honestly don't think it would have made much of a difference.) Seriously, diversify that school list or the numbers game will kill you no matter your stats.

2. Bad advice. Don't get interview advice from your PhD PI. Don't get it from doctors that aren't involved in admissions. Get it from recent acceptances to med school and faculty involved in interviewing. Goro mentioned above not to do "show and tell," bringing in a portfolio. Guess what my PI told me he loves to see when he sees candidates for grad school come in? Yup, a research portfolio, to show they're prepared and taking it seriously. And I stupidly thought it was a good idea, because all the other people I asked about it also had no experience interviewing med students. In the end, I think it felt gimmicky and/or that I was trying to make up for a deficit by bringing that in. Goro is spot on; it's in your application, at least for the most part, so don't do stuff like this. But while I do think it hurt me, I don't think it was an automatic excluder from any school. It's just that if you're going to go to schools where everyone is a stellar applicant, you really can't have ANYTHING make you seem odd. Even if you do seem perfect, again, the numbers game will get you.

Hope that helps!

Massachusetts has one state medical school, the other three having no in-state bias, 2 of them being low-yield and one being HARVARD.

Idk about a billion schools.
 
Negative LOR is one reason I've seen. A friend had good numbers, IS in TX, got no IIs, was told by 1 school he should not have a LOR from X person, reapplied a cycle later with all positive letters and got in.

As it turns out, the prof that wrote the negative LOR was pretty infamous at our UG for taking it upon themselves to act as an unofficial gatekeeper for medical schools.
 
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· Don’t do show and tell. I don’t want you pulling out a binder with your resume or portfolio. Let your application speak for you.

· It’s OK to gather your thoughts, but it’s not OK to blank out. This group includes the people who do something like this (and I am NOT making this up!):

goro: So tell me about this trip to Honduras
Interviewee: Well, we went there for a mission trip and...what was the question?
goro: (thinking: reject!)


You cannot be serious? Bringing a binder with your resume/CV or recent publications to an interview is deserving of an "immediate rejection" to you?

Thank god I'm long done with the medical school admissions process. I'll admit that I, apparently scandalously, did bring all papers with my name on them to my interviews (especially at research institutions, and especially papers that had been recently published and were not on my AMCAS) - interestingly, I actually had several interviewers thank me for bringing them in.


Secondly, you "immediately" reject people for blanking - even briefly - during an interview? I presume you've never ever lost your train of thought before? What a load of crap.

I was fortunate to be a high stats applicant a few years ago, and I was also fortunate to receive multiple acceptances. However, I vividly remember totally blanking while responding to a question at my very first interview. My interviewer was fortunately very understanding and could empathize with someone who was nervous at an interview for something he had spent several years working up towards - somehow, they were able to forgive my 10 second transgression and and I actually ended up being accepted. Glad I ended up at a school with a less draconian approach to nervousness.
 
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Massachusetts has one state medical school, the other three having no in-state bias, 2 of them being low-yield and one being HARVARD.

Idk about a billion schools.
Massachusetts is a bad example but @neuroguy91 is correct - Washington State is a horrible state to be from. Only one med school (until just two years ago) and that school -UW - is the only med school for Washington, plus all of Alaska, Montana, Idaho and Wyoming. Washington is a net exporter of medical students.

Ohio would be a better example. Or Florida. Or Texas.
 
You cannot be serious? Bringing a binder with your blanking only for a moment. rejection" to you?

Thank god I'm long done with the medical school admissions process. I'll admit that I, apparently scandalously, did bring all papers with my name on them to my interviews (especially at research institutions, and especially papers that had been recently published and were not on my AMCAS) - interestingly, I actually had several interviewers thank me for bringing them in.


Secondly, you "immediately" reject people for blanking - even briefly - during an interview? I presume you've never ever lost your train of thought before? What a load of crap.

I was fortunate to be a high stats applicant a few years ago, and I was also fortunate to receive multiple acceptances. However, I vividly remember totally blanking while responding to a question at my very first interview. My interviewer was fortunately very understanding and could empathize with someone who was nervous at an interview for something he had spent several years working up towards - somehow, they were able to forgive my 10 second transgression and and I actually ended up being accepted. Glad I ended up at a school with a less draconian approach to nervousness.

your reading skills are questionable. State you were a high MCAT score?

Please go back to my post and tell us where I said I would reject people for a momentary lapse in blanking. For the rest of you, I was extending to an extremely pregnant pause that was uncomfortably long.

In the experience I've had with people who brought binders, they wanted to do show-and-tell. We already have their application there's no reason to bring a resume or CV. This is a judgment issue
 
You cannot be serious? Bringing a binder with your resume/CV or recent publications to an interview is deserving of an "immediate rejection" to you?

Thank god I'm long done with the medical school admissions process. I'll admit that I, apparently scandalously, did bring all papers with my name on them to my interviews (especially at research institutions, and especially papers that had been recently published and were not on my AMCAS) - interestingly, I actually had several interviewers thank me for bringing them in.


Secondly, you "immediately" reject people for blanking - even briefly - during an interview? I presume you've never ever lost your train of thought before? What a load of crap.

I was fortunate to be a high stats applicant a few years ago, and I was also fortunate to receive multiple acceptances. However, I vividly remember totally blanking while responding to a question at my very first interview. My interviewer was fortunately very understanding and could empathize with someone who was nervous at an interview for something he had spent several years working up towards - somehow, they were able to forgive my 10 second transgression and and I actually ended up being accepted. Glad I ended up at a school with a less draconian approach to nervousness.
I agree with this. Although I haven’t went through the admissions process myself as of yet, I doubt you would get rejected instantly because of your nerves regarding an interview that may determine your path for the rest of your life. In terms of the folder, would you recommend bringing one with you if It has anything your application didn’t?
 
your reading skills are questionable. State you were a high MCAT score?

Please go back to my post and tell us where I said I would reject people for a momentary lapse in blanking. For the rest of you, I was extending to an extremely pregnant pause that was uncomfortably long.

In the experience I've had with people who brought binders, they wanted to do show-and-tell. We already have their application there's no reason to bring a resume or CV. This is a judgment issue


Yes, blame my reading skills when you clearly state "it’s OK to gather your thoughts, but it’s not OK to blank out" and provide a very clear example of 'blanking out' mid-question.

If you actually meant "an extremely pregnant pause that was uncomfortably long", perhaps it is your writing skills that need work?


Secondly, you will never convince me that rejecting someone who studied for several years and spent hundreds of dollars to apply and travel to your school, solely for the "offence" of bringing their CV to an interview, is anything but laughable. Unless I missed the research showing that applicants who bring CVs to medical school interviews become poor clinicians. If you hadn't listed it as something you "immediately reject" someone for, I might understand. Agree to disagree.
 
I agree with this. Although I haven’t went through the admissions process myself as of yet, I doubt you would get rejected instantly because of your nerves regarding an interview that may determine your path for the rest of your life. In terms of the folder, would you recommend bringing one with you if It has anything your application didn’t?


I actually think there is a very real chance that something like that might get you rejected - I just find it patently ridiculous.


While most medical school admissions counselors are great, there are many who have lost touch with what they are supposed to be doing - selecting future clinicians and future physician-scientists. Having seen things from the other side, I continue to be surprised with how many things that have zero impact on future clinical ability - like bringing a CV apparently, or tripping on the pavement before your interview and consequently scuffing your shoes - can factor into the medical school admissions process. It is what it is, at this point.


With regards to bringing the folder, I started bringing my research papers after several of my interviewers quite clearly hadn't read them or weren't familiar with my work. It's not their fault, they're busy and medical school interviews fall low on the priority list. Thus, it was nice to have them in hand so they could quickly skim the abstract - hopefully, it might also trigger their memory when they discuss you afterwards. Personally, I would recommend bringing a folder with your research papers and maybe any significant new awards since you submitted your application, so they can add them to your file.

But don't spend too much time on that - I actually agree with Goro, it shouldn't be "show and tell", it should be; "by the way, a paper that was in process at the time of my application was just accepted for publication. I brought a copy since it's not yet on Pubmed". Let the interviewer steer after that.
 
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With regards to bringing the folder, I started bringing my research papers after several of my interviewers quite clearly hadn't read them or weren't familiar with my work. It's not their fault, they're busy and medical school interviews fall low on the priority list. Thus, it was nice to have them in hand so they could quickly skim the abstract - hopefully, it might also trigger their memory when they discuss you afterwards. Personally, I would recommend bringing a folder with your research papers and maybe any significant new awards since you submitted your application, so they can add them to your file.

Unless your interviewer happens to be doing research in the same field, literally no one in MD admissions is going to care about the details of your work. Passing out publications and CVs generally doesn't come across as polished and erudite. Rather, it tends to look silly and self-aggrandizing. We only have a handful of seats relative to the interview pool, so yes, seemingly minor errors in judgement can be deadly.
 
Hello all,

I've been active on this forum for a while, and I've noticed many people bring up the stereotypical "3.8/517" applicant who gets no secondaries, interviews and acceptances.

If this applicant does indeed exist, what is the cause of he or she not getting into medical school?
Because there are other things to any application than those two numbers, that are important. This is 1% of the answer.

Also, because there are constantly rumors of dubious truth going around pre-med circles designed specifically to freak out every other pre-med into thinking they won't ever get in. I'm 45 years old, I applied to medical school over 20 years ago, and I still remember the psychos who played these games of psychological warfare. This is 99% of the answer.
 
Unless your interviewer happens to be doing research in the same field, literally no one in MD admissions is going to care about the details of your work. Passing out publications and CVs generally doesn't come across as polished and erudite. Rather, it tends to look silly and self-aggrandizing. We only have a handful of seats relative to the interview pool, so yes, seemingly minor errors in judgement can be deadly.


The act of bringing a resume/CV is standard and shows foresight at nearly any other post-collegiate interview - yet it is seen as "silly", "self-aggrandizing" and an "error in judgment" for medical school admissions? Interesting - not sure I agree.

For me, that says more about the admissions counselor than the applicant - did they work in any other field before entering medical school?

Perhaps my interviews were more research-focused, given that research was a strong part of my application, but my experience has been different. And even so, what an incredibly trivial thing to base an admissions decision on. Someone should study whether CV-bringers have worse outcomes post-residency compared to non-bringers.

Regardless, we will probably not change each others' minds - agree to disagree.
 
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