Pagers have less dead coverage. Which is what every resident wants, less dead coverage. No one wants more dead anything.Sorry if this is a silly question, but why do doctors use pagers when cell phones are available? It would be one less thing for you to remember to carry around and charge. Why not just send a text message to a phone?
* You usually don't "charge" pagers. They have batteries in them.Sorry if this is a silly question, but why do doctors use pagers when cell phones are available? It would be one less thing for you to remember to carry around and charge. Why not just send a text message to a phone?
Because sometimes you need a couple minutes to either wake up or suppress your rage before you interact with another human being.Sorry if this is a silly question, but why do doctors use pagers when cell phones are available? It would be one less thing for you to remember to carry around and charge. Why not just send a text message to a phone?
Because sometimes you need a couple minutes to either wake up or suppress your rage before you interact with another human being.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far away from here, I carried a pager that had ONLY voice capability. It was a fixed in-hospital system. Worked like a charm, you new instantly 'ward 5, room 12, patient has chest pain, call 515' or something of that nature. Key was to get the message on the first try because it didn't record them or display a number (system was similar to the VHF tone-pagers volunteer firemen tend to carry).or maybe voice capability to record and carry voicemail--now that would be pretty valuable, s
They do exist...my residency hospital had them. It was nice because you could send messages which didn't necessarily need a response (ie, meeting time changed to 530 pm; CT scan scheduled at 1:00 pm, etc.)In addition to all above posts, some hospital floors do not allow cell phone use.
If only pagers can be used, it would be nice if these pagers had at least texting capability--where you can type the message to the receiver from the pager itself, or maybe voice capability to record and carry voicemail--now that would be pretty valuable, so the paged person knows what the pages is about, or both voice messaging and text capabilities. that's my dream pager
I did it twice in the same night...45 minutes apart, while on trauma call.Happened to me too once. I totally believe you about it being an accident. It was an accident for me too.
I've seen some nurses using these special wireless phones at a certain hospital. It is nice to have an immediate response--just dial and voila! I guess they don't have enough money or trust to give 'em to us podunk residents. Old school pagers seem to be still the main plan despite all the advancements. But yeah, it would be great to have special cells like that!When I was in Cali, a lot of the hospitals used Spectralink wireless phones. Voice communiation without cellular airtime cost and lower-power transmission meant reduced possible interference with medical equipment.
I'd imagine the cost would be between pagers and cell phones.
Haven't seen them here in Bflo.
Perhaps this is a form of "reverse technophobia". The young'uns today are so into their i-phones and other new-fangled technology that when they see something as archaic as a pager they freak out.The pager system is not broke, and there are plenty of reasons to continue its use, why are some of us contemplating another system which is not as convenient and has lots of problems?
You are probably right. Having to actually pick up a phone (with a cord NO LESS) boggles their mind!Perhaps this is a form of "reverse technophobia". The young'uns today are so into their i-phones and other new-fangled technology that when they see something as archaic as a pager they freak out.
There is no good evidence that modern cell phones interfer significantly with medical equipment. In the October 2005 issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings, it was reported that the cellular telephones tested did not interfere with medical devices that were more than three feet away. In the study, 44 percent of the devices recorded some interference from the cellular telephones but the vast majority of this interference should not have had any significance for the patient. The farthest distance away that a device was affected was 32 inches. Most interference occurred with devices that display electrocardiographic (ECG) or electroencephalographic (EEG) waveforms and involved noise interference. http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/inside.asp?AID=1017&UID=Having to find a phone in some cases is really tough and can cost a patient's life and additionally have to wait the time of someone to answer a page to get back to you, especially in a code situation, so that would be the benefit of being able to use a non-interference cells in a hospital. Then again i guess they call codes over head, but some don't hear the overhead call.
On the other hand a pager gives you the freedom to ignore.which I'm sure a lot of people may need to do because they are busy doing other things.
The one thing I hate though, is having to look for a phone to call someone in an emergency, wishing I could use my cell, because sometimes a phone is nowhere to be found. I guess some people do use their cells anyways though.
Yes, that has been key in some "discussions" between nursing and housestaff. They seem to forget that we can check these things.other than the dead zone areas, which every hospital seems to have, i wonder if continuing the current paging system is a medico-legal issue. at my hospital, you can call the operator and he/she can quickly check what pages you've received (example: discrepancy between the nurse who has claimed to page you 10 times over the last hour and yourself). i'm sure it's that way elsewhere as well. in a sense, there's a paging log that can be referred to if need be. not sure if that's the reason.
You'd think that would be the case but you'd be wrong. The floor RNs at our VA carry spectralink phones but about 75% of the time when they page you they put the nursing station # as the callback #, even though the phones all have a unique extension. I usually call back and say "tell whoever paged to Dr. Gutonc to page again w/ the right #" and hang up.I cannot say I've ever had much trouble finding a phone to return a page although it is frustrating to return a page and find no one claiming to have called you...the wireless phones would eliminate that.
Frustrating indeed. What I meant was that if residents carried wireless phones (which was being proposed above) that there would be no returning a page to find no one claiming they called you if you picked it up when it rang.You'd think that would be the case but you'd be wrong. The floor RNs at our VA carry spectralink phones but about 75% of the time when they page you they put the nursing station # as the callback #, even though the phones all have a unique extension. I usually call back and say "tell whoever paged to Dr. Gutonc to page again w/ the right #" and hang up.
Interesting. In my hospital, there were always two wall extensions in every hallway, all the patient rooms had phones, and of course, there were several at the nursing station and in the "corners/back rooms/cubbies" where we gathered to work on charts. The only time I had trouble finding a phone was on the Medicine floors if only because there were about a thousand fleas all over, using all the phones. Took me less time to walk down a couple of floors to surgery and use the phones there. Either we had more or we used them less.At our university hospital, phones are at a premium for reasons I don't quite understand. But on every floor, it turns out that there's a lounge/office/equip/monitoring room that has 10-20 wireless phones that are meant for MD use. Nobody will tell you where these phones are though.
At least we're still on topic...most of the time by this many responses we are talking about something totally random!It appears that the OP got so overwhelmed with the typical SDN enthusiastic response to his question about pagers that he simply disappeared from this thread
agreed.If found alphanumeric pagers to be the most useful. If you can't say it in 250 characters, it's probably not important.
that sounds great. funny though, the hospital i'm at claimed doing texting patient names is a hipaa violation!A text page from the lab 'critical value, Pt Mills, Gary K=5.9, callback required x6996' tells you all you need to know. You return the call when you have time which allows the lab-drone to enter 'dr f_w notified' into his call-log.
apparently the nurses at your institution rotate at mine!I worked at a place with the spectralink phones. In theory, it allows you to get hold of the person taking care of your patient. In reality, the RN who's spectralink number you got as the patients 'primary RN' is either 'on break' or whoever picks up 'just came on shift' and can't tell you what's going on either.
Anytime I try to kill something in a hospital committee, I claim it's a HIPAA violation. Unless the other side is very committed to the cause and gets an opinion from corporate legal that it is NOT, the issue usually goes away. (hipaa is the lazy hospital administrative midlevels managers universal tool to quash any proposal that requires him or her to do work).that sounds great. funny though, the hospital i'm at claimed doing texting patient names is a hipaa violation!
Absolutely not! Landis at the U Michigan tested various model defibrillators going back as far as the mid 1980s on their Bell 430s and found no interference with avionics in inflight and simulated testing. I am intimately familiar with avionics from my former life, any equipment that may be interfered with likely still has vacuum tubes in it and I haven't flown an aircraft in the last 15 years that has had that equipment. As a point of interest, most of the restrictions on in-flight/critical phase use of personal electronic devices comes from the days of HF-Omnirange navigation equipment which has not been used for at least 40 years. Avionics is far more likely to interfere with itself than exogenous equipment on board. AED/defibs have been tested and have not been shown to interfere with ILS/Glideslope/Localizers/Radioaltimeters to an extent that would interfere with even Cat II approaches, let alone en route navigation systems. I can think of no TSO'd device that can be reset by RFI. See SFAR 106 and AC91.21.1b and TSO C97bVHF/UHF radios used by security personnel DO interfere with medical equipment. I remember an article that looked at typical microwave cellphones, the only way interference could be generated was by placing the phone directly onto a monitor. The VHF/UHF radios otoh could switch some older types of IV pumps into safety mode (pump stops pumping, clamps the tubing and alarms) from several feet away.
A student of mine was an engineer before going to medschool. One of his jobs was to test the influence of defibrillators on aircraft avionics. Apparently discharging a defibrillator can reset some navigational equipment on board of helicopters. So they generally try to avoid shocking people while flying in instrument meteorological conditions (--> inadequate visibility to know which side is up without flight instruments).
Hmmmm....wanna ask the mayor of Detroit that one?Anytime I try to kill something in a hospital committee, I claim it's a HIPAA violation. Unless the other side is very committed to the cause and gets an opinion from corporate legal that it is NOT, the issue usually goes away. (hipaa is the lazy hospital administrative midlevels managers universal tool to quash any proposal that requires him or her to do work).
If text-paging onto a hospital issued (logged audited) pager is a hipaa violation, how is giving the information to anyone who calls back after a page not a violation ?
Every hospital has a system in which all calls through the system are logged. So if you are making harassing phone calls to the nurses station, they can document those as easily as they can document when a nurse says she paged # X 15 times and you never answered.logging pages..or just logging in general...nice concept.
hate how some claim they called and you never see their page..and sometimes ur pager dies on you...how else r u going to trace those calls if there's no logging system?
You may be right that it is simply tradition - we know how hide bound medicine is.Are pagers really better, or is the current popularity of pagers merely a historical accident resulting from pagers preceeding cellphones? If cellphone were around and widely used in hospitals for decades, and then a telecom company came out with a newfangled "pager" would it be warmly recieved? "You want me to go find a phone every time someone wants to talk to me?" "There's not voicemail so they can't leave a message?"
It's hard to say because the system has been set up as a pager-based on. It is hard to imagine how different things might be if the system has been set up to be cell-phone based.
It's called a NexTelIf they can devise a cell which does not drop calls, which is accessible in all areas of the hospital, which can send multiple pages to teams at the same time and for which checking messages is much quicker, then I'm sold.
OOOH.. does this mean those of us who remember your former SN have blackmail material? Send cookies or your darkest secrets shall be revealed. And none of those cookies that sneak raisins in trying to fool you into thinking they are chocolate chips. I hate chocolate chip imposters.
Let's see when you're an attending and everyone knows who you are, if you still feel comfortable posting "out in the open" on SDN.
Funny thing, I am honestly eating hot chocolate chip cookies (all Tollhouse chips, no raisins, nuts or anything else) right out of the oven while I read this! Then again, given my love of things chocolate, I'm not sure why I think this is some random event.OOOH.. does this mean those of us who remember your former SN have blackmail material? Send cookies or your darkest secrets shall be revealed. And none of those cookies that sneak raisins in trying to fool you into thinking they are chocolate chips. I hate chocolate chip imposters.
Love, I mean really love my NexTel. Even the Sprint buyout couldn't kill it!It's called a NexTel
Used to have one for private use. It does pretty much everything you have in your RFP there, I hated to give it up after I moved to a corner of the country they don't cover.