Why do people go to DO schools?

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I doubt either side would give in to the other on what that 1 degree would be titled.

I would assume it would just be the MD. I'd don't see why they need 2 degrees. DO schools are already judged as it is, why not just be low tier MD schools instead of MD rejects? Not saying that's my opinion of them, just what you see on SDN.

 

[MedPR]

I would assume it would just be the MD. I'd don't see why they need 2 degrees. DO schools are already judged as it is, why not just be low tier MD schools instead of MD rejects? Not saying that's my opinion of them, just what you see on SDN.

DOs are still proud to be DOs though and think they are MD+. It's unlikely that they would be ok with ending the DO degree.

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[Roxas]

DOs are still proud to be DOs though and think they are MD+. .

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I think thats a pretty broad generalization, and only the DOs with issues believe they are truly MD+ *cough* dr. bumblebee *cough*. I would say the majority of DOs think they are physicians capable of practicing medicine to the best of their ability.

 

[Ravizzle]

I think thats a pretty broad generalization, and only the DOs with issues believe they are truly MD+ *cough* dr. bumblebee *cough*. I would say the majority of DOs think they are physicians capable of practicing medicine to the best of their ability.

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[MedPR]

I think thats a pretty broad generalization, and only the DOs with issues believe they are truly MD+ *cough* dr. bumblebee *cough*. I would say the majority of DOs think they are physicians capable of practicing medicine to the best of their ability.

I meant to say that some think they're MD+. I'm sure all are proud to be DOs.

Regardless, I don't think any side would be open to the other side absorbing all future graduates.

 

[Roxas]

I meant to say that some think they're MD+. I'm sure all are proud to be DOs.

Regardless, I don't think any side would be open to the other side absorbing all future graduates.

Fair enough. I have a suspicion that this thread was created simply to say DOs are inferior, but it seems like the majority of DO students are there because they have an opportunity to attend a medical school and eventually practice medicine, so they take it regardless of the letters after their name. I know you aren't anti-DO, but a lot of people on SDN are.

 

[cubssox2000]

I used to think I was the least informed SDNer. Congratulations.

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No one knows what will truly happen once the merger comes, but what I've said has been some of I've heard. A lot of it is speculation, but so is everything else about the merger. From what I've been told, there will be a couple years period where all the programs try to get their competencies in accordance to whatever the new standard will be. After that time, who know?

As far as the match goes, the merger should not have any effect on US grads matching. It may decrease the number of IMGs that get spots as the pool of applicants for each program will have grown larger with the MD/DO mix.

 

[MedPR]

No one knows what will truly happen once the merger comes, but what I've said has been some of I've heard. A lot of it is speculation, but so is everything else about the merger. From what I've been told, there will be a couple years period where all the programs try to get their competencies in accordance to whatever the new standard will be. After that time, who know?

As far as the match goes, the merger should not have any effect on US grads matching. It may decrease the number of IMGs that get spots as the pool of applicants for each program will have grown larger with the MD/DO mix.

If you think it's likely that "a lot" of the current AOA programs won't get themselves up to par when ACGME is in charge, you must either think AOA really sucks, or is stupid enough not to figure out ways to improve.

 

[sazerac]

I think thats a pretty broad generalization, and only the DOs with issues believe they are truly MD+ *cough* dr. bumblebee *cough*. I would say the majority of DOs think they are physicians capable of practicing medicine to the best of their ability.

That's really misleading for DO's to call themselves MD+. I go to an MD school, and honestly we all consider ourselves to be DO+. We have a pretty typical MD course schedule, including classes like "Patient reductionism" and "How to treat just the disease" that I've never seen in a DO curriculum.

 

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[SLC]

That's really misleading for DO's to call themselves MD+. I go to an MD school, and honestly we all consider ourselves to be DO+. We have a pretty typical MD course schedule, including classes like "Patient reductionism" and "How to treat just the disease" that I've never seen in a DO curriculum.

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[MedPR]

That's really misleading for DO's to call themselves MD+. I go to an MD school, and honestly we all consider ourselves to be DO+. We have a pretty typical MD course schedule, including classes like "Patient reductionism" and "How to treat just the disease" that I've never seen in a DO curriculum.

You'll never do it as well as the MDs though. Since you're DO, you are inherently more holistic.

 

[Ost3oclast]

The good ole MD vs DO...gotta love it. So much has changed in the argument since last week when we had the same type of thread.

 

[jl lin]

I thought the idea was to become a physician? I don't get why this title thing is such a big deal?

The main thing I can think of, with the possible exception about residency availability, which seems like it's becoming a non-issue, and perhaps also the issue of practicing as a physician outside the USA, is just plain superficiality when it comes to the letters after a name. It's part of some folks misdirected motivation for becoming a physician in the first place.

I've worked with great physicians that were MDs as well as DOs, and I have worked with a few with those letters that weren't so hot. Was it the MD or DO school/program that made them not-so-hot physicians? No--not today. We're well past Flexner. People make choices about how they will learn and how they will practice. The strength to become a wonderful physician is based on the core motivations.

Personally, b/c people make such an idiotic issue out of letters after a name, I think it might be good to just unify all programs to one title. Tradition is nice, but sometimes certain traditions hold back rather than allow for progress. When the tradition is a point of contention and disunity across-the-board, well is it worth holding on to for name's sake?

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."


Isn't taking issue with these letters after a name merely another form of prejudism, like ageism, or racism, or sexism? You wonder if humans will ever rise above such things, or are they just destined to divide?

None of the programs should influence anyone to feel like their program is less than another, merely b/c of some differences in the original philosophies. If all schools extended the same letters for the degree, however, especially since I believe they both meet the same standards of education, the issue of international practice as a physician should no longer be a problem. Furthermore, the topic could forevermore be put to bed.

 

[Bacchus]

^You're ahead of your time. If you're not in medical school, you should be, so you can frequent the medical student forums.

 

[as1212559]

I thought the idea was to become a physician? I don't get why this title thing is such a big deal?

The main thing I can think of, with the possible exception about residency availability, which seems like it's becoming a non-issue, and perhaps also the issue of practicing as a physician outside the USA, is just plain superficiality when it comes to the letters after a name. It's part of some folks misdirected motivation for becoming a physician in the first place.

I've worked with great physicians that were MDs as well as DOs, and I have worked with a few with those letters that weren't so hot. Was it the MD or DO school/program that made them not-so-hot physicians? No--not today. We're well past Flexner. People make choices about how they will learn and how they will practice. The strength to become a wonderful physician is based on the core motivations.

Personally, b/c people make such an idiotic issue out of letters after a name, I think it might be good to just unify all programs to one title. Tradition is nice, but sometimes certain traditions hold back rather than allow for progress. When the tradition is a point of contention and disunity across-the-board, well is it worth holding on to for name's sake?

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."


Isn't taking issue with these letters after a name merely another form of prejudism, like ageism, or racism, or sexism? You wonder if humans will ever rise above such things, or are they just destined to divide?

None of the programs should influence anyone to feel like their program is less than another, merely b/c of some differences in the original philosophies. If all schools extended the same letters for the degree, however, especially since I believe they both meet the same standards of education, the issue of international practice as a physician should no longer be a problem. Furthermore, the topic could forevermore be put to bed.

Get your reasonable talk out of here ji lin, can't you see pre-meds are bickering!!

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[WompyWomperton]

I would assume it would just be the MD. I'd don't see why they need 2 degrees. DO schools are already judged as it is, why not just be low tier MD schools instead of MD rejects? Not saying that's my opinion of them, just what you see on SDN.

That's really misleading for DO's to call themselves MD+. I go to an MD school, and honestly we all consider ourselves to be DO+. We have a pretty typical MD course schedule, including classes like "Patient reductionism" and "How to treat just the disease" that I've never seen in a DO curriculum.

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[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Patient reductionism lol. The thought of that hurts my soul.

 

[sector9]

Closing thread as the OP has been banned