Why do people lie on this site?

[gmendese]

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Hi all,

I have been an avid SDNer since I first applied to medical school. But what I don't understand is why EVERYONE on this site states that they are within the upper 0.5% of medical students with regard to Q-bank and actual board scores. Just about every time I look on these sites, someone is listing a 250+ on step one, or a 90% cum on Q-bank. Why do people feel the need to come onto a website and exaggerate or out and out LIE about their performances? There are people too timid to list their actual results on here because they're afraid of looking inferior (which is obviously true because there are 0 scores listed on these forums below 200).

I come onto these forums to see how people are doing and to look for some genuine advice. I'm taking the boards at the end of this month, and it would be nice to see some honest responses/advice. And I'm sure I'm not the only one out there who feels this way.

The bottom line is that 90% of the nation passes step 1, and only 50% do better than a 215. I find it hard to believe that every one of the "frequent fliers" on SDN is rocking a 250+.

So please, if you rocked the exam, good for you! Hopefully we'll do the same. But if you're one of those people just looking for some attention by inflating your scores, try masturbating. The rest of us have work to do.

 

[ItalianScrubs]

I couldn't agree with you more. I can;t stand this sort of **** from medical students. I mean come on; who the hell is scoring 90% on q-bank all of the time (form the get go) and studying for like 2.5 weeks. It's true - it seems like just about everyone on here scores at least a standard above the national mean. --- and there are a lot of DO's talking this **** too.

It's one thing to come on here and tell us how the exam went and stuff ... but I agree that this forum had gone to crap because everyone on here is playing psychosocial grabass with one another.

You people need to get lives --- or at least chill out!

 

[nuclearrabbit77]

i think it's because the people who are posting about their numbers are the ones who are doing well. you'll see the same thing in pre-allo as well.

 

[chandler742]

First of all, how do you know for a fact? Are you completely dismissing the possibility that it MIGHT be true?

The main point is that it doesn't matter if most people on here are lying because the rest of us can see right through that. Some posts are transparent and thus have no credibility so I don't post a response.

On the other hand, there are people on here that are reputable and I believe what they say i.e. Jalby, Idiopathic, Stinger86, UCSF Bound, OneStrongBro, Kydr2b, BrooklynDO, williamette to name a few. Still, I don't take what all of them tell me as the GOSPEL. This is foolish.

Don't let it bother you so much. It really doesn't matter because nobody is that naive that they will believe everything that people post on here. Don't let other people's score bother you so much. Even if it is true, so what?

As the great Eleanor Roosevelt once said, "No one can make you feel inferior without your permission.".


Lastly, your 50% for 215 is a fallacy. Even if this is the average for the exam, mean and median are two different things. If the MEDIAN of the exam was 215 than you have an argument. But you cannot assume that the Gaussian curve is a symmetrical distribution because that is the only time mean = median. Plus, the median of the exam has NEVER BEEN GIVEN OUT.

Hi all,

I have been an avid SDNer since I first applied to medical school. But what I don't understand is why EVERYONE on this site states that they are within the upper 0.5% of medical students with regard to Q-bank and actual board scores. Just about every time I look on these sites, someone is listing a 250+ on step one, or a 90% cum on Q-bank. Why do people feel the need to come onto a website and exaggerate or out and out LIE about their performances? There are people too timid to list their actual results on here because they're afraid of looking inferior (which is obviously true because there are 0 scores listed on these forums below 200).

I come onto these forums to see how people are doing and to look for some genuine advice. I'm taking the boards at the end of this month, and it would be nice to see some honest responses/advice. And I'm sure I'm not the only one out there who feels this way.

The bottom line is that 90% of the nation passes step 1, and only 50% do better than a 215. I find it hard to believe that every one of the "frequent fliers" on SDN is rocking a 250+.

So please, if you rocked the exam, good for you! Hopefully we'll do the same. But if you're one of those people just looking for some attention by inflating your scores, try masturbating. The rest of us have work to do.

 

[gmendese]

You completely missed the point. Yes, many of these exaggerated scores are transparent -- I completely agree. However, because there are so many of them, I think that many people are too intimidated to post their REAL scores, in fear of looking inferior. THAT is what bothers me. And yes, obviously there are many people who DO in fact perform well on the boards.

But I am really sick and tired of someone posting "I just took the NBME released items and scored an 84%. And my school offered the Self-Assessment back in December and I scored an 83 (which is ABSOLUTE BS, because that that point, you're not even halfway through with second year!!). I'm scoring in the 80s and 90s on Qbank. Do you think I'll do well on the boards? I'm freaking out! Help!"

I hate those people. Actually, I hope their computer crashes on exam day.

OK, I take that back but you get my point.

It's just not the reason why this site exists. Period.

 

[gmendese]

P.S. The 215 mean is real. The NBME people came to UMass a few weeks ago and explained everything to our dean. That's the real deal.

 

[Discobolus]

P.S. The 215 mean is real. The NBME people came to UMass a few weeks ago and explained everything to our dean. That's the real deal.

Yes, 215 is the mean, no one was arguing that, but what the median is (your 50% remark) no one really knows.

 

[8744]

Yes, 215 is the mean, no one was arguing that, but what the median is (your 50% remark) no one really knows.

If the curve is normally distributed, aren't the mean and the median equal? I can't think of a reason why the curve would be skewed one way or the other. The NBME reports the reccommended passing score as two standard deviations below the mean so I think the assumption is that there is no skew.

And I think that 257 is an extremely high score. Not saying the poster is lying about it, but this is not typical. The highest score in my class was a 246.

I got a 184 on the self assessment and a 219 after four weeks of studying. (Mostly BRS review books and Q-Bank.)

 

[DrQuinn]

I've never lied here on SDN. My scores and grades stand. I've been completely forthright about my interview experience, the places I interviewed at, and the responses I got. I've been on SDN for 5 years now.

Watch who you're talking to.

Q, DO

 

[Clair de Lune]

I don't get why anyone would lie about their scores on an anonymous internet forum 😕 If I do bad on this thing and don't really want anyone to know about it, I just wouldn't say anything at all. But, maybe the only people posting their scores are people that are doing well.

Anyway, I was starting to feel somewhat inferior so I'm glad someone has shed some light on this!

 

[ItalianScrubs]

I've never lied here on SDN. My scores and grades stand. I've been completely forthright about my interview experience, the places I interviewed at, and the responses I got. I've been on SDN for 5 years now.

Watch who you're talking to.

Q, DO

You are such a tool --- get a life or something --- I'm proud that you have been devoted to SDN for 5 years now...what do you want a cookie??? Why do you have to threaten us - it's completely uncalled for Q, esp since you are a DO (im shocked)?

A, Future MD

PS = Keep that shiot up and I'll kick your A$$ !!!

 

[DrQuinn]

The OP posted that in their opinion, everyone "lies" on this site about their board scores. My post is I have never lied on this site, and believe that the majority of SDN users are not liars on here. I wanted to correct the OP on his/hers blanket statement about SDN.

And the fact that I am a DO has nothing to do with... anything.

Q, DO

 

[tega]

why must u assume people are lying about their scores........ 😕

yeah we all get annoyed by the..."i only studied 2 hours a day for 2 days....studied 1 day a week all through first 2 years....but i am averaging a 105% in QB......or got a 900 on the self assessment....should i be worried.." type posts...
but to assume the above is lying about their scores says more about u. imho.



As mentioned before?..?the relatively high scores u see on SDN is probably because only people who do ?well? post their scores??not because its all lies.


BUT ACTUALLY I THINK ANYONE WHO GETS HIGHER THAN ME MUST BE LYING..?. 😀 😀

 

[neilc]

There are people too timid to list their actual results on here because they're afraid of looking inferior (which is obviously true because there are 0 scores listed on these forums below 200).

hey, i listed my sub-200 (192)score almost a year ago! i did feel inferior, but screw it, i passed. and, i am well aware of my mistakes, so i feel it is important to get the word out that HOW you study is at least as important as WHAT you study...additionally, i was doing reasonable on q-bank (70's) and the self assessments (470-500). i think people can learn a bit more when we get a better variety of responses, instead of just all the gunners who crushed it.

anyhow, your statement that ZERO people have posted a sub-200 score is not correct! there are at least one of us *****s on here.

 

[gmendese]

I really didn't mean for this to be a whole thing, but allow me to reiterate for those of you who can't read.

I don't think that everyone on SDN lies. I do, however, think that many people do exaggerate things. Others don't post anything at all. And others do very well. Obviously there's a mix of people on here, but the people who claim to have great numbers (many of whom undoubtedly do) are the only ones posting.

So before you start attacking me and taking my statement personally, try reading. THAT will DEFINITELY help on step 1 -- I can guarantee that.

That being said, no one should be attacked because of the type of medicine they'll practice (DO or MD). But I could do without the "Watch who you're talking to" comments. Calm down and take a time out.

 

[DrQuinn]

Why do people feel the need to come onto a website and exaggerate or out and out LIE about their performances?

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I come onto these forums to see how people are doing and to look for some genuine advice. I'm taking the boards at the end of this month, and it would be nice to see some honest responses/advice.

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But if you're one of those people just looking for some attention by inflating your scores, try masturbating.

I read your post several times before I bothered replying. I felt insulted by you assuming that the members of SDN are "lying" "exagerating" and (paraphrasing) "giving ungenuine advice." So before you make blanket statements such as those, know "who you are talking to." I have never lied, exagerrated, or IMHO given ungenuine advice. So, watch who you are talking to.

Q, DO

 

[Samoa]

Here's another theory: maybe having free time to post here frequently and having high scores are both correlates of being smarter than the average med student. Or better test takers, or whatever. Or alternatively, being losers with no friends, we have more time to study and fewer distractions. 😛

I find either of those possibilities easier to believe than the idea that people are lying right and left out of insecurity. But then, I also find that people tend to assume that other people are behaving the same way they would in a given situation. Maybe accusations say more about the accuser than about the accused.

As for me, a simple search would tell you any info you feel is your business regarding me, my interviews, acceptances, rejections, statistics, etc.

 

[LovelyRita]

Just thought I'd let you know I just smoked COMLEX....

🙄 🙄 🙄

bring on u smile.

 

[southerndoc]

Hi all,

I have been an avid SDNer since I first applied to medical school. But what I don't understand is why EVERYONE on this site states that they are within the upper 0.5% of medical students with regard to Q-bank and actual board scores. Just about every time I look on these sites, someone is listing a 250+ on step one, or a 90% cum on Q-bank. Why do people feel the need to come onto a website and exaggerate or out and out LIE about their performances? There are people too timid to list their actual results on here because they're afraid of looking inferior (which is obviously true because there are 0 scores listed on these forums below 200).

I come onto these forums to see how people are doing and to look for some genuine advice. I'm taking the boards at the end of this month, and it would be nice to see some honest responses/advice. And I'm sure I'm not the only one out there who feels this way.

The bottom line is that 90% of the nation passes step 1, and only 50% do better than a 215. I find it hard to believe that every one of the "frequent fliers" on SDN is rocking a 250+.

So please, if you rocked the exam, good for you! Hopefully we'll do the same. But if you're one of those people just looking for some attention by inflating your scores, try masturbating. The rest of us have work to do.

It's a positive skew. People who did poorly are less likely to post their results than the people who do well. Statistically, if everyone on SDN posted their scores, you'd see a better representation. Not as high of a percentage would be great scores.

 

[Samoa]

Just thought I'd let you know I just smoked COMLEX....

🙄 🙄 🙄

bring on u smile.

LIAR! 😛 😀

 

[southerndoc]

You are such a tool --- get a life or something --- I'm proud that you have been devoted to SDN for 5 years now...what do you want a cookie??? Why do you have to threaten us - it's completely uncalled for Q, esp since you are a DO (im shocked)?

A, Future MD

PS = Keep that shiot up and I'll kick your A$$ !!!

I hate this stupid DO v. MD crap. It's childish!

southerndoc, md

 

[daisygirl]

I hate this stupid DO v. MD crap. It's childish!

southerndoc, md

Get over yourself 😛 😀 😛

 

[LovelyRita]

I hate this stupid DO v. MD crap. It's childish!

southerndoc, md

you're a liar. liars post on this site. you love the do/md crap. you love it so much you could eat it with a spoon.

 

[Idiopathic]

I think this thread was a question on COMLEX today...Im pretty sure I put "cavitating fungus ball" as my answer.

 

[LovelyRita]

no dude, those were partially acid fast organisms....NOCARDIA!

 

[gmendese]

Here's another theory: maybe having free time to post here frequently and having high scores are both correlates of being smarter than the average med student. Or better test takers, or whatever. Or alternatively, being losers with no friends, we have more time to study and fewer distractions. 😛

I find either of those possibilities easier to believe than the idea that people are lying right and left out of insecurity. But then, I also find that people tend to assume that other people are behaving the same way they would in a given situation. Maybe accusations say more about the accuser than about the accused.

As for me, a simple search would tell you any info you feel is your business regarding me, my interviews, acceptances, rejections, statistics, etc.

 

[gmendese]

Here's another theory: maybe having free time to post here frequently and having high scores are both correlates of being smarter than the average med student. Or better test takers, or whatever. Or alternatively, being losers with no friends, we have more time to study and fewer distractions. 😛

I find either of those possibilities easier to believe than the idea that people are lying right and left out of insecurity. But then, I also find that people tend to assume that other people are behaving the same way they would in a given situation. Maybe accusations say more about the accuser than about the accused.

As for me, a simple search would tell you any info you feel is your business regarding me, my interviews, acceptances, rejections, statistics, etc.

Yes, Samoa, you're right: I'm exaggerating my scores. That's why I haven't posted a thing.

And for the ever-so-pretentious Q, DO, who feels the need to attach a title to SDN postings, shouldn't you be out treating patients or something? You graduated, right? Maybe you should spend less time defending yourself (which by the way, I have never read any of your posts or anything, so I don't know why you are responding with such a defensive attitude...guilty conscience?). Watch who YOU'RE talking to...my dad is much more strongerer than your dad! Loser.

 

[Radiohead]

I hope people were lying about the amount of Molecular Bio on the test.

 

[Idiopathic]

no dude, those were partially acid fast organisms....NOCARDIA!

Yes, that was easy...but what about the radiograph of the 60-pack year smoker...I had no idea, but I put apical adenocarcinoma (even though "cavitating fungus ball" was an option-I swore I would pick it if it showed up).

 

[DrQuinn]

And for the ever-so-pretentious Q, DO, who feels the need to attach a title to SDN postings, shouldn't you be out treating patients or something? You graduated, right? Maybe you should spend less time defending yourself (which by the way, I have never read any of your posts or anything, so I don't know why you are responding with such a defensive attitude...guilty conscience?). Watch who YOU'RE talking to...my dad is much more strongerer than your dad! Loser.

When you make a blanket statement about SDN and its users, I will come defending SDN. You are indeed the "loser" who has the insecurities... I am not the one crying about people exaggerating their scores. It is an anonymous website, with most, if not all, users giving genuine information. If you start a thread about "Why do people lie on this site," you should expect people to defend themselves and the website.

Q, DO

 

[24858]

Whoa everybody, lets chill for a second.
Everybody hug and make up, lets get real for a second.
Sure there are some posters on here that are legite, Quinn is definitely one of them. However the op definitely has a point. There are way too many people that post, oh I got a 260 on the usmle and a 40 on the mcat bow down and kiss my feet.
And everyone get 70-90 percetiles on the qbank. Have I thought about not coming back to this website b/c I find it extremely annoying, h-e-double hockeysticks ya!
Maybe I am masochistic. Seriously though for the 20 or so annoying posters there are the one, Quinn for example, who dont go crazy with exaggerations or bragadoccio or whatever.
Quinn posted his scores that he got on the comlex, I think they were 93 percentile, not the usual 99 percentile we are all accoustomed to on this site.
heres a post on mine that got zero responses even after I bumped it
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=123896&highlight=nbme
although this titalating post got a number of responses
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=121580&highlight=nbme

 

[ResidentEvil]

Hi all,

I have been an avid SDNer since I first applied to medical school. But what I don't understand is why EVERYONE on this site states that they are within the upper 0.5% of medical students with regard to Q-bank and actual board scores. Just about every time I look on these sites, someone is listing a 250+ on step one, or a 90% cum on Q-bank. Why do people feel the need to come onto a website and exaggerate or out and out LIE about their performances? There are people too timid to list their actual results on here because they're afraid of looking inferior (which is obviously true because there are 0 scores listed on these forums below 200).

I come onto these forums to see how people are doing and to look for some genuine advice. I'm taking the boards at the end of this month, and it would be nice to see some honest responses/advice. And I'm sure I'm not the only one out there who feels this way.

The bottom line is that 90% of the nation passes step 1, and only 50% do better than a 215. I find it hard to believe that every one of the "frequent fliers" on SDN is rocking a 250+.

So please, if you rocked the exam, good for you! Hopefully we'll do the same. But if you're one of those people just looking for some attention by inflating your scores, try masturbating. The rest of us have work to do.

Bro you are either a massive whiner who is scraping by the bottom of the barrel in your class or you have a tiny penis. Its a internet forum website man quite yer bitchin.

 

[gmendese]

Bro you are either a massive whiner who is scraping by the bottom of the barrel in your class or you have a tiny penis. Its a internet forum website man quite yer bitchin.

hahahahahaha! EAD, jackoff.

 

[southerndoc]

And for the ever-so-pretentious Q, DO, who feels the need to attach a title to SDN postings, shouldn't you be out treating patients or something? You graduated, right?

He's earned the right to attach that title to his name. I think he deserves to do what he wants to with it. Are you jealous?

By the way, I'm surprised you have to ask someone if they have graduated when they are writing "DO" after their name.

Maybe you should spend less time defending yourself (which by the way, I have never read any of your posts or anything, so I don't know why you are responding with such a defensive attitude...guilty conscience?). Watch who YOU'RE talking to...my dad is much more strongerer than your dad! Loser.

Maybe you should spend less time on SDN and more time studying for your boards.

 

[gmendese]

He's earned the right to attach that title to his name. I think he deserves to do what he wants to with it. Are you jealous?

By the way, I'm surprised you have to ask someone if they have graduated when they are writing "DO" after their name.



Maybe you should spend less time on SDN and more time studying for your boards.

With 3,000 SDN posts, I don't know if you should be telling ME to do something other than SDN. Let's call a spade a spade.

 

[southerndoc]

With 3,000 SDN posts, I don't know if you should be telling ME to do something other than SDN. Let's call a spade a spade.

I'm not the one bitching about my scores.

 

[ItalianScrubs]

I swear to god you people are the biggest losers I have ever known.... next time you want to warn me "Q,DO" show your macho-ness to everyone .... i should paste your private message that you sent to me about "threats and violation of SDN TOS" - so that everyone can see why you are a pretentious waste of life.

And as far as for the doc bitching about the MD, DO crap .... first of all - I put MD after my name to mock the pretentious dick that Q was being....praising down from his/her busy ER schedule to chyme in and be the SDN defender of the universe. Secondly - to reiterate what another poster said "get over yourself" .... what are you one of those docs out to save the world --- piece of advice ... take your head out of your a$$ if you ever plan on associating with real avg people/and patients. Thirdly ... if you don't like my advice you can bend over along with Q,DO and allow me to be the master of your universe.

-A

PS I'm gonna get back to getting my 101% scores on my Q-bank

 

[QuothTheRaven]

why would you post your scores on a forum anyways? it's the most ridiculous thing yet.

 

[southerndoc]

I swear to god you people are the biggest losers I have ever known.... next time you want to warn me "Q,DO" show your macho-ness to everyone .... i should paste your private message that you sent to me about "threats and violation of SDN TOS" - so that everyone can see why you are a pretentious waste of life.

And as far as for the doc bitching about the MD, DO crap .... first of all - I put MD after my name to mock the pretentious dick that Q was being....praising down from his/her busy ER schedule to chyme in and be the SDN defender of the universe. Secondly - to reiterate what another poster said "get over yourself" .... what are you one of those docs out to save the world --- piece of advice ... take your head out of your a$$ if you ever plan on associating with real avg people/and patients. Thirdly ... if you don't like my advice you can bend over along with Q,DO and allow me to be the master of your universe.

-A

PS I'm gonna get back to getting my 101% scores on my Q-bank

SDN defender of the universe? Well, in case you haven't noticed, he is one of SDN's moderators, which means he has the right to edit your posts, delete your posts, warn you about TOS violations, or even suspend your account.

Q's a nice guy. The attacks on him were unwarranted.

 

[southerndoc]

you're a liar. liars post on this site. you love the do/md crap. you love it so much you could eat it with a spoon.

Actually it's so much crap you would need a shovel, not a spoon.

(But I do have a big mouth. )

 

[gmendese]

SDN defender of the universe? Well, in case you haven't noticed, he is one of SDN's moderators, which means he has the right to edit your posts, delete your posts, warn you about TOS violations, or even suspend your account.

Q's a nice guy. The attacks on him were unwarranted.

OK, OK,

Since I started this thread (and apparently I never should have), can I suggest that we all just sit back, grab some crystal meth (stop thinking about what the drug does, gunners!), and take a nice deeeeeep breath.

This IS just a forum and maybe we shouldn't take it so seriously. Sorry for all the chaos...

Ummm, make love, not war (or something).

Honestly though, this is ridonculous. Fuhgedabahdit!

Happy studying!

Gary

 

[southerndoc]

Ummm, make love, not war (or something).

No hard feelings. I agree, it's pointless for us all to argue on a message board. Sorry if I offended anyone.

On a different note, I really must add that the make love, not war comment is hilarious coming from a guy who has "Porn Star" as his user title.

 

[gmendese]

No hard feelings. I agree, it's pointless for us all to argue on a message board. Sorry if I offended anyone.

On a different note, I really must add that the make love, not war comment is hilarious coming from a guy who has "Porn Star" as his user title.

Oh, crap! I forgot I had that. When the site changed and asked for more info, I just put that in. I COMPLETELY forgot about that! HAHA!

Oh good...we're all laughing now! Well, at least I am.

OK, I'll stop.

 

[marchiafava]

Since you all seem to be so knowledgable, maybe one of you could answer my post in the general residency forum titled ERAS question. Just want to help you put your fingers to good use.

 

[Plinko]

It's an anonymous forum. Who cares? Each person has their own reasons for lying. I do think some people (the minority) with their 90%+ qBank scores do lie on this forum. I'd like to think that most people are telling the truth though. But I don't base any real life decisions on what I read on SDN, so what does it matter?

Me, I try to restrict my lying to when it comes 1:30 AM, eights Doulbe Vodkas have come and gone, and I'm talking to the last girl in the bar.

 

[Jalby]

I've never lied here on SDN. My scores and grades stand. I've been completely forthright about my interview experience, the places I interviewed at, and the responses I got. I've been on SDN for 5 years now.

Watch who you're talking to.

Q, DO

Didn't you say you were a hot woman for the longest time??? (totally kidding. Note trying to jump on the Q bashing bandwagon. I personally believe the OP has an inferiority complex)

And about OneStrongBro, he's been caught lying a few times on this board about who he really is.

 

[DRealDrZ]

I think I passed COMLEX...except I keep thinking about answers I got wrong...and wondering why I didn't put the right answers...man...just want a 400!!! 👍

 

[MD'05]

... it feels soooooo good .... oh ****, I was just dreaming ....

 

[vanelo]

So please, if you rocked the exam, good for you! Hopefully we'll do the same. But if you're one of those people just looking for some attention by inflating your scores, try masturbating. The rest of us have work to do.

LOL

Read my mind!!!

 

[mikecwru]

I've never lied here on SDN. My scores and grades stand. I've been completely forthright about my interview experience, the places I interviewed at, and the responses I got.

Except your gender.