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I hear ev1 talk about pcom, and osucom(?), whatever, being the top. I would think that NYCOM, being in one of the most prestigious and bustling cities in the world would be ranked high.
It doesnt make sense how a school in oklahoma or somewhere else in Idahowa (between NY and LA) would have better rotations or residency placements.

Does an1 know of anything neg about nycom?
 
Ski2Doc said:
I hear ev1 talk about pcom, and osucom(?), whatever, being the top. I would think that NYCOM, being in one of the most prestigious and bustling cities in the world would be ranked high.
It doesnt make sense how a school in oklahoma or somewhere else in Idahowa (between NY and LA) would have better rotations or residency placements.

Does an1 know of anything neg about nycom?

Living in NY, everyone here absolutley raves about NYCOM. I swear when I tell you this, the president of the New York State Medical Society told me that if I was given the choice between schools in NY go to NYCOM. I thought that was wierd coming from a MD. Then I was working at NUMC (large hospital in the area) and one of the chiefs of medicine kept telling me how NYCOM produces great clinicians and that he thinks they are better than the students from Stony Brook. He was a MD also. Take this for what its worth but two pretty knowledgable people can't be so far off.
 
i am soooo not trolling here, because i live in the NYC area, and will be applying to NYCOM next cycle, but NYCOM is definitly not exactly in a prestigious, bustling city. its on the island, which with traffic, can be a good 45 minutes from NYC. the area is great, but its suberbia at its best.
where are you from ski? and where else are you applying?

sasha

Ski2Doc said:
NYCOM, being in one of the most prestigious and bustling cities in the world would be ranked high.
 
Ski2Doc said:
I hear ev1 talk about pcom, and osucom(?), whatever, being the top. I would think that NYCOM, being in one of the most prestigious and bustling cities in the world would be ranked high.
It doesnt make sense how a school in oklahoma or somewhere else in Idahowa (between NY and LA) would have better rotations or residency placements.

Does an1 know of anything neg about nycom?

Answer: Board Pass Rates.
 
Go over the posts which say which school is better and take note of which school the posters attends.

I think there just aren't that many NYCOM students on the boards talking about how great their school is.
 
I have no idea about the pass rates or the rotations really.

I am a first year and so far I feel I am getting a very good education.

I commute to school about 45 minutes. But you get used to this. I listen to Howard Stern in the A.M. People are very friendly and there are about 30 or so Foreign Medical Grads who are redoing med school to get into more competitive residencies. These people are in their 30's, 40's and 50's which adds some spice and balance.

I can recommend it for real in 4 years, but so far so good.
 
Ifellinapothole said:
I have no idea about the pass rates or the rotations really.

I am a first year and so far I feel I am getting a very good education.

I commute to school about 45 minutes. But you get used to this. I listen to Howard Stern in the A.M. People are very friendly and there are about 30 or so Foreign Medical Grads who are redoing med school to get into more competitive residencies. These people are in their 30's, 40's and 50's which adds some spice and balance.

I can recommend it for real in 4 years, but so far so good.

It's somewhere in the 80's, not sure where.

A large percentage of schools are above 90%.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
It's somewhere in the 80's, not sure where.

A large percentage of schools are above 90%.

Do you have a source? I would like to see a few other school's pass rates.
 
Ifellinapothole said:
I commute to school about 45 minutes. But you get used to this. I listen to Howard Stern in the A.M.
At first I thought I had written that. Sounds alot like my regiment. I still haven't worked out a plan for eh-eh-eh though. Bit pricey and I'd end up missing many shows. Where are you commuting from ?
 
Beastmaster, what were your stats like?
 
wish the search function was working. I think I read some threads about relatively low board passing rate. I'm not sure how the 40 students from the 5th pathway accounts for the scores.
 
FrogE7 said:
Do you have a source? I would like to see a few other school's pass rates.

It was a previous thread, but the search function is disabled right now, I think.
 
supersash said:
i am soooo not trolling here, because i live in the NYC area, and will be applying to NYCOM next cycle, but NYCOM is definitly not exactly in a prestigious, bustling city. its on the island, which with traffic, can be a good 45 minutes from NYC. the area is great, but its suberbia at its best.
where are you from ski? and where else are you applying?

sasha


I am from one of the five. I know its not IN nyc but the island is close enough. By bustling i would also consider je'sey. I know its across the river but still close enough to the atmoshpere of the city. When you compare with oklahoma or kansas you get what i mean.

I have applied to 8 DO schools, got 6 intervies, 2 acceptences. Still waiting for UMDNJ and PCOM.

30 MD. 2 Interviews, one rejection-post, 5 rejections-pre.

I am so considering nycom my 1st choice though, i dont care about pass rates, you study you pass, its all upto you.

stats 3.5, 30.
 
Don't mean to put a damper on things, but the few graduates I know from NYCOM didn't really like it much. They felt more like a number than anything else, with very large class sizes (i'm pretty sure I recall some of them taking floor seating). Guess best way to find out is to go to the school itself and get a feel. Good luck.
 
I think that the original poster now has an answer to his question. Most of the info about NYCOM is hearsay and anecdotes devoid of any reality. Board scores? no one can cite a source. Not like passing is the most desireable achievement with boards. It's about the big scores. And as if a couple graduates who were students 5-10 years ago give any indication about how things are present day.
 
I actually do know of one 3rd year student there. He likes it. Nothing special, just a good solid education, very modern and GREAT rotations, it is NYC afterall.

However, this is one guy, i dont know him THAT well, so i would like some better answers like board scores. BTW board scores in NYCOM may be insignificant b/c they do have alot of older foreign docs who are restudying. So maybe they dont score as well as younger docs??? Just a thought.
 
Being from New York and knowing plenty of people who go/went to NYCOM recently rave about it. Who knows though.
 
beastmaster said:
I think that the original poster now has an answer to his question. Most of the info about NYCOM is hearsay and anecdotes devoid of any reality. Board scores? no one can cite a source. Not like passing is the most desireable achievement with boards. It's about the big scores. And as if a couple graduates who were students 5-10 years ago give any indication about how things are present day.
I really have to wonder about this. I just did a whole search of this forum (I have the search function) and was unable to find the "debate" over the most recent NYCOM stats. I am with OSUdoc that there was a huge blowup over this and I find it VERY suspicious that I can't find ANY information on their pass rate. I have heard sketchy things from those who are IN school there and also at UNECOM about pass rates. Additionally ... you have to take into consideration WHO is taking the exam. Some schools require you to be in the top 80% of the class, etc. Deans DO fudge wtih the numbers. I'll try to find the threads on that too.

Here's a post about NYCOM I found

here
 
mshheaddoc said:
I really have to wonder about this. I just did a whole search of this forum (I have the search function) and was unable to find the "debate" over the most recent NYCOM stats. I am with OSUdoc that there was a huge blowup over this and I find it VERY suspicious that I can't find ANY information on their pass rate. I have heard sketchy things from those who are IN school there and also at UNECOM about pass rates. Additionally ... you have to take into consideration WHO is taking the exam. Some schools require you to be in the top 80% of the class, etc. Deans DO fudge wtih the numbers. I'll try to find the threads on that too.

Here's a post about NYCOM I found

here

What is this about top 80%?
 
NYCOM has great 3rd and 4th year rotations, which is very important in my opinion because this is where you shine and make yourself/how much you truly know known. As a consequence, our Matchlist is one of the most impressive out of all osteopathic schools.
However, NYCOM is in reform right now for the 1st and 2nd years. They just underwent some changes in ciriculum, but it shows that the school is dedicated to get better (after years of b-tching by students, BTW).

Good luck to all future NYCOM students. The school will make you very good clinicians one day. I'll tell you one thing: NYCOM students show up Mount Siani students all the time on rotations from my experiences 😉
 
MoosePilot said:
What is this about top 80%?

I don't know about nycom, but some schools don't let their worse students sit for the boards. I've heard Touro does this but don't know what other schools do. I'm thinking that's what mhd was referring to.
 
mshheaddoc said:
I really have to wonder about this. I just did a whole search of this forum (I have the search function) and was unable to find the "debate" over the most recent NYCOM stats. I am with OSUdoc that there was a huge blowup over this and I find it VERY suspicious that I can't find ANY information on their pass rate. I have heard sketchy things from those who are IN school there and also at UNECOM about pass rates. Additionally ... you have to take into consideration WHO is taking the exam. Some schools require you to be in the top 80% of the class, etc. Deans DO fudge wtih the numbers. I'll try to find the threads on that too.

Here's a post about NYCOM I found

here

i'm with you guys in that i remember there being a discussion about board scores, and there was one really disgruntled nycom student who used to post a lot. of course, none of this means nycom isn't a great school. whether or not schools get a lot of buzz here seems to have little to do with how good the school is.
 
Actually around a year ago, I was on Friendster and noticed that some one went to NYCOM. Since I was very interested in the school, I sent her a message, inquiring about the school. Here was her response: 😱

Im glad to give you info on NYCOM. Basically if
you get into any school besides the caribbean, go
there. NYCOM was unfortunately my only choice
besides caribbean so thats the only reason why I
went. The nycom administration is very
unorganized and a lot of my peers complain that
they dont care about the students at all. There
aren't a lot of extracuriccular opportunities
available and there is no nycom hospital
affiliated close by. (close by meaning at least
five miles). You dont any exposure to a hospital
until your third year. I also feel that the
material presented in classes in not sufficient or
lacking any relevance to my career. In second
year especially, we have "volunteer" lecturers, so
there is a lot disorganization concerning notes
and exams. Also there is nothing to do in Long
Island. NYC is about 30 miles away. One of the
best things about nycom is that people are super
chill and not competitive. Also in choosing a
residency, being a DO is a slight disadvantage to
being an MD. However, I love learning osteopathic
manipulative medicine and its very practical too.
I'm sure you asked other nycom students also, if
they said good stuff....please ignore them. NYCOM
isnt bad, but it isnt that great either. Go
somewhere else if you can.
if you have anymore questions... feel free to
send me a message..
 
from what I remember it was med26 and another student complaining about NYCOM. It may have been in the class of 2009 thread since it was posted around that time. Even the students that enjoyed NYCOM did not refute that there needed to be changes in the curriculum and nobody tried to argue about the low board passing rate.

administration changed the schedule during the course of the year and that upset a number of students. I like to have a schedule/routine for school so I know how much that might upset me. Some of the students felt it was for the best though.

Currently I go to an undergrad that is in the princeton review top 10 for worst administration. I'll admit it's not the best and I encountered red tape but your experience is what you make of it.

hopefully someone might find the thread. Many students including myself still make NYCOM one of their top choices. you have to look at the whole picture.

Now I have to watch this movie for my film class...never take a film class!!
 
I've only been at NYCOM for 2 months. But because our new 1st year curriculum incorporates many clinical and 2nd year course material I feel I can comment on a few things. Since mostly pre-meds will be reading this, let me give you some advice. I read the same posts and Emails with compaints that you did. The evil physiology professor with the biochem degree, for example. I remember reading posts about it and being very nervous. Curriculum issues. This, that, and the other thing.

You MUST take everything you read with a heap of salt and an appropriate degree of skepticism. Much of the bs that I read turned out to be false. And I got worked up over nothing. A pretty small fraction of complaints turned out to be legitimate, based on my conversations with clear-thinking 2nd years. Mind you, so much is new for our entering class that perhaps we can't relate to what classes from 2 years ago complained about. Then again, doesn't this disprove the notion of an administration being uncaring and unresponsive? Think about it, when you read someone on a forum say things like "they only care about your money," if you have any critical and logical reasoning whatsoever it should be clicking in your mind, "idiot alert," and you shouldn't be losing any sleep over it. Stuff like "even the dean admits that many chose the school because they were accepted no where else." Yes, folks, it's called a joke during orientation and is a reflection of the reality that most people currently in medical school, allopathic or osteopathic, are there because they weren't accepted somewhere else more desireable to them. Some professors will occasionally make fun of the yuppy nonsense we told them during interviews. It's all for a good laugh and we move on. But some idiots hold a grudge, take things out of context, and use it to scare unsuspecting premeds trying to make an important future decision. Get a sense of humor and get over yourselves.

We recently had elections for class president, and some of the complaints that I heard made me think, "you've got to be kidding me." But hey, we elected a class president who sounded ambitious about wanting to improve these little things like the orders of some lectures, temperature in the study halls and lecture rooms, etc. Not my cup of tea but kudos to them.

And seriously, about board score pass rates and such things in general. Who the hell cares. Believe in yourselves for a change, and trust that averages don't apply to you and that you will succeed and thrive in the face mediocrity despite an artificial statistical predisposition. Since when does an average influence individual performance. Are there students consistently scoring multiple standard deviations above the mean into the upper brackets of the percentiles? Yes. That's enough. if they can do it, so can you provided you put in the work. Little things like using board review books to make sure you are covering the necessary material is helpful. You know, some people are so spoiled they don't know how good they have it. And there will always be the disenchanted crowd who will find something to complain about. Just remember that many of us will look at these whines, and will laugh, without wasting time getting into debates and such.

We have so many perks in year 1 and 2 that I think it's unacceptable for NYCOM students to fall back on the quality of the 3rd and 4th year in these discussions. So much has been revamped and improved. And we're paving the way for it to be even better for the next incoming class.

BTW, we were told several times during orientation that on paper we have the highest stats of all previous entering classes. Does anyone know when these numbers make their way into books like Barrons which I remember from applying during last year had rather precise gpa/mcat breakdown stats for all of the schools?
 
beastmaster said:
BTW, we were told several times during orientation that on paper we have the highest stats of all previous entering classes. Does anyone know when these numbers make their way into books like Barrons which I remember from applying during last year had rather precise gpa/mcat breakdown stats for all of the schools?
Link of osteopathic GPAS

I'm sure you guys were the highest class. It seems that more schools (undergrad and graduate) are MORE competitive than ever. Then again, I know of two schools where the 1st year classes have the highest admission stats and both classes are performing the worst in the last 5 years. So maybe stats don't speak for everything.

I'm not bashing NYCOM at all and I want to make that clear. I know people who have and are currently attending it. Every school has its issues but the revamp in cirrculum will hopefully help straighten things out b/c like UNECOM I had heard things were in a rapid spiral. As well as so many negative comments I had heard from others.

As for the 80% I think its more like 90% but I had heard 80% as well. I know there are schools where you can not take the COMLEX if you do not meet certain requirements. I don't have the time to find the thread that discussed this.
 
exlawgrrl said:
I don't know about nycom, but some schools don't let their worse students sit for the boards. I've heard Touro does this but don't know what other schools do. I'm thinking that's what mhd was referring to.

But they guarantee that the bottom 20% can't become doctors? That doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard of...
 
MoosePilot said:
But they guarantee that the bottom 20% can't become doctors? That doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard of...
No ... they don't usually allow themto sit for the exam because they've failed or done poorly at various classes or have to do remedial and take exam at a later date.
 
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