Pretty much this.
They are NOT physicians. Physicians who specialized in F&A surgery are orthopedic surgeons.
I know how people who know nothing about medicine "define" the term. I'm using it in the way it actually means, that is, a practitioner of medicine.
adding the word medicine to things doesn't suddenly make it medicine man. if they started giving out "doctor of chiropractic medicine" tomorrow in chiro schools are they suddenly real physicians? (incidentally, the same misguided states that legally call podiatrists physicians give that designation also to chiros, possibly even naturopaths, so its legal worth is meaningless)
I suggest that one of us actually knows what he's talking about and the other is a curiously invested forumperson who could tell a 1/3 tubular from a LCDCP if his life depended on it.
In the words of the great Natalie Portman, I'm not a role model.
No not really, all this because you're spouting your typical nonsense for things you don't understand, to prevent pollution of more impressionable minds.
Dude who cares. Seriously.
I do, obviously, and presumably the person who posed the original question. Oh wait.
You are arguing over if a DPM can call themselves a physician. Gonnif gave you the answer.
Not really no. And Gonnif's "answer" will deem a chiropractor a physician. Seems trivial now to you sure, but have fun trying to explain to a patient in a couple of years that no, their chiropractic adjustments will not bring down their a1c
proctology is not
years ago doctors were doing everything and did not classify what is gross or not. they practiced medicine because they loved science and loved to help people and find solutions to healthcare issues. nowadays, there are so many people who are thinking about self comfort and not welfare of others.
then DO's are not doctors either? by your reasoning they don't go to "Medical" school - they go to osteopathic school. Therefore they are not physicians, they are osteopaths. They practice osteopathy, not medicine.
The proper, full title is "osteopathic medical school". The schooling is the same as MD, with the added OMM portion. Just saying "osteopathic school" would imply that the students ONLY learn OMM and not much else.
Oh, I know. I was speaking from the perspective of those who think otherwise that only MD's are physicians.
Ooooh ok
*coughdoctorofosteopathicmedicinecough*
The full term for podiatry schools are School of Podiatric Medicine, for the record. And their official title is Podiatric Physician in many states.
No, if you were paying attention you would notice that it wasn't I who was positing the word "medicine" in the degree as a meaningful way to determine whether or not someone actually practices medicine. Considering DOs learn, train in, and practice whole body medicine, they are quite obviously physicians in every sense of the word. DO is proof positive that the words in your degree don't mean much despite gonnif's protestations.
So, by your reasoning, only those who practice whole body medicine are considered physicians. Then, brain surgeons, proctologists (colon and rectal surgeons), pathologists, urologists are not physicians. They are limited to certain body parts. What about ENT? they do not even treat anything lower than lungs. Ophthalmologists only treat eyes. They do not practice over whole body. Every specialty is limited to something. As far as education, both MD, DO, and DPM receive same first 2 years with minimal differences.
Ya bruh, physc literally means medicine. You're talking a lot about things that you don't know much on. For instance, who the hell cares about the first two years of medical school, it gets distilled into an 8 hour test. I'm a physician because I do practice whole body medicine.
Gonnif is the least opionionated user on here. All he does is post data and statistics that help answer questions.
yes, even in a "heated" debate it's hard to pass up an opportunity to take a dig at the eyeball docs 😎
it's a collaborative effort until the noctors come eat your lunch.
lol are you serious? the reason he posts internet data is because he doesn't have anything else to go by; at one point i remember him saying that DO clinical rotations were on average on par with MD ones, or something to that effect, which needed correction. this isn't to say that his many, strongly held and often stated opinions are usually wrong. to the contrary they're often on the money. but let's call a spade a spade.
at no point did you provide what the "medical establishment" says about "them"
obviously he's reluctant to give it, he's (wisely, shockingly) at this point probably realized he's painted himself into the wrong corner and is trying to smoke and mirror his way out. let's see how many more three letter words are going to be thrown out next.
Fun fact: the associated press only allows the honorific title of Dr. to be used by MDs, DOs, dentists, and podiatrists. Podiatrists can legally call themselves podiatric physicians/surgeons in my state, and have hospital privileges and the ability to direct hospital staff. So, at least here, they're physicians, albeit limited ones. But ultimately we all are, because while we can do anything, hospital privileges, insurance rules, and liability often bar us from stepping out of our specialties.
