Why Paki and Indians want to be Doctors?

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Plue00 said:
I'm sure there are a bunch of white people gunning for the same thing. It's just easier to blame your frustration at a successful minority group, right? 🙄

Again, it's not your place to judge as to why someone wants to go into medicine.



👍 Couldn't have said it better myself. Especially the last part.
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Lets be honest.... If there is anyone in this thread that has some sort of bias it is you. Yeah, I'm totally spiteful and jealous of these indian premeds... Lol jk dude I couldn't care less. Your assumption that I don't think the same about white people only points to your own racism.

And yes it does impact me since I don't want any beta people who were forced into medicine as classmates, assuming I get in.
 
Beta people?

Edit: look man, ADCOM should care less about your desire to be surrounded by alphas. What matters is patient care. If they provide better or at least as good care - there is absolutely no problem with it. Until you have concrete proof that these doctors will do worse than the rest, all your arguments will come across slightly self-centered and judgmental.
 
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SunsFun said:
Beta people?

Edit: look man, ADCOM should care less about your desire to be surrounded by alphas. What matters is patient care. If they provide better or at least as good care - there is absolutely no problem with it. Until you have concrete proof that these doctors will do worse than the rest, all your arguments will come across slightly self-centered and judgmental.
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So you're saying its ok for people to be forced to be in charge of other people's lives?
 
Sorry but it's not clear to me what you're trying to say there. What I am saying is that it's not really our place to pass on judgements as to what is a good reason and what is a bad reason to be in medicine until we actually have some evidence tying up "bad" reasons to poor performance.
 
Agent B said:
your parents are good parents, unlike many of the garbage, shameful, disgusting traditionalist asian parents
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What's disgusting and shameful about traditional Asian parents?

If we're talking about disgusting, shameful parenting cultures, it's probably the "thug lyfe" ghetto parenting sub-culture (which isn't exclusive to any particular race).
 
Radon XP said:
What's disgusting and shameful about traditional Asian parents?

If we're talking about disgusting, shameful parenting cultures, it's probably the "thug lyfe" ghetto parenting sub-culture (which isn't exclusive to any particular race).
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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_pfzYD1dXY[/YOUTUBE]

Parody, but still true.
 
Radon XP said:
I don't think that's "shameful" and "disgusting", though. Those are strong words. Pushing your kids is a good thing.
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Sigh... it's one thing to guide kids and another to control them. Traditionalist families believe in the latter.
 
yehhhboiii said:
racist and hyperbolic nonsense had to be said?
yeah no.
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How is that even racist? I could generalize to all traditionalist families, but the focus is on that of Asian families. Plus I wasn't even criticizing Asian families, but traditionalist Asian families. There's nothing racist about that. Man, the race card is getting thrown out there for no reason.

Care to justify your defense for traditionalist families? Anyhow, you'll basically say that these families are "guiding" their children by controlling their lives... Wouldn't matter anyhow. Traditionalism for the most part is slowly dying out with the great spread of modernization in the American-born Asian students.
 
Agent B said:
your parents are good parents, unlike many of the garbage, shameful, disgusting traditionalist asian parents
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LOL WOW, good thing they have interviews to screen people like you out. I mean, there has to be something wrong with you if you have almost 11,000 posts in less than a year.

U Wot M8 said:
Lets be honest.... If there is anyone in this thread that has some sort of bias it is you. Yeah, I'm totally spiteful and jealous of these indian premeds... Lol jk dude I couldn't care less. Your assumption that I don't think the same about white people only points to your own racism.

And yes it does impact me since I don't want any beta people who were forced into medicine as classmates, assuming I get in.
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Then why did you just single out Indians and Pakistanis? Good try, I appreciate your efforts 👎 I'm sure many people don't want alpha people like you in medicine? Learn to think from other perspectives, please.

U Wot M8 said:
So you're saying its ok for people to be forced to be in charge of other people's lives?
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If they're good at it, why not?
 
Agent B said:
How is that even racist? I could generalize to all traditionalist families, but the focus is on that of Asian families. Plus I wasn't even criticizing Asian families, but traditionalist Asian families. There's nothing racist about that. Man, the race card is getting thrown out there for no reason.

Care to justify your defense for traditionalist families? Anyhow, you'll basically say that these families are "guiding" their children by controlling their lives... Wouldn't matter anyhow. Traditionalism for the most part is slowly dying out with the great spread of modernization in the American-born Asian students.
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It seems like Agent B has some personal issues with Asian people lol...

What happened, did little Sanjay Patel or Kevin Chen get better grades/internships than you? :laugh:
 
Plue00 said:
LOL WOW, good thing they have interviews to screen people like you out. I mean, there has to be something wrong with you if you have almost 11,000 posts in less than a year.
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Nah just bored and wanted to look at various viewpoints. 😉

Radon XP said:
What do you even mean by "traditionalist"? Elaborate.
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Meh. Too lazy to search. The definition's out there and you can base your argument from there (although it'll affect my opinion).

Plue00 said:
It seems like Agent B has some personal issues with Asian people lol...

What happened, did little Sanjay Patel or Kevin Chen get better grades/internships than you? :laugh:
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Man, you guys are pretty good at assuming I'm anti-Asian instead of anti-traditionalist. There really isn't any point in carrying on with the discussion here.
 
Agent B said:
Meh. Too lazy to search. The definition's out there and you can base your argument from there (although it'll affect my opinion).
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Why would somebody be inherently anti-traditionalist? There are good traditions worth preserving and bad traditions that need to be discarded. New traditions are formed all the time.
 
Radon XP said:
Why would somebody be inherently anti-traditionalist? There are good traditions worth preserving and bad traditions that need to be discarded. New traditions are formed all the time.
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Yeah I agree with this. The main point is I'm just frustrated with the controlling behavior that many traditionalist parents seem to have over their children, which results in their children pursuing a career they have no interest in, but simply to satisfy their parents' desires. Somehow, from this main point, many premeds adamantly conclude that I'm anti-Asian. Really awesome inference skills you guys have. 👍👍👍

By anti-traditionalist, I mean I strongly oppose this "bad tradition" whereby parents control their children's futures. Sure, the "traditionalist" parents who guide their children are the remarkable ones, but those who control deserve no sympathy. I hope our wonderful premeds can digest this thought (if not, feel free to throw your race card at me 😉)

Plue00 said:
It seems like Agent B has some personal issues with Asian people lol...

What happened, did little Sanjay Patel or Kevin Chen get better grades/internships than you? :laugh:
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This is an example of a premed with good inference skills. 🙄 Man, no wonder many other SDNers outside of preallo hate this subforum so much... It's truly unfortunate.
 
your parents are good parents, unlike many of the garbage, shameful, disgusting traditionalist black parents
 
Agent B said:
your parents are good parents, unlike many of the garbage, shameful, disgusting traditionalist asian parents
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There is absolutely no need for this kind of language or generalization.
 
Agent B said:
This is an example of a premed with good inference skills. 🙄 Man, no wonder many other SDNers outside of preallo hate this subforum so much... It's truly unfortunate.
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Are you talking about yourself? You're actually the only person on preallo that consistently talks a lot of **** on these forums to get negative reactions out of people. Please, take a break from SDN (god knows you need it) and reevaluate yourself as a person.

Just because you don't like XYZ doesn't mean others don't. I agree with you, I don't like parents that force their children to do something they don't want to, but, there are people who later see it as a benefit to themselves and continue to do it. I can't judge these people because I don't know how their personal lives are and neither should you. No reason to hate on the parents either. It's a different culture than yours. Why don't you go to a country like China, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam or Pakistan (and some African countries) and try to raise your kids there with your western parenting. You would think your western parenting techniques of letting your kids do whatever would be best there and that's what many of the immigrant parents think is best for their kids here.

Until you experience both sides of the issue, you have little room to make judgements on these people.
 
Plue00 said:
Are you talking about yourself? You're actually the only person on preallo that consistently talks a lot of **** on these forums to get negative reactions out of people. Please, take a break from SDN (god knows you need it) and reevaluate yourself as a person.

Just because you don't like XYZ doesn't mean others don't. I agree with you, I don't like parents that force their children to do something they don't want to, but, there are people who later see it as a benefit to themselves and continue to do it. I can't judge these people because I don't know how their personal lives are and neither should you. No reason to hate on the parents either. It's a different culture than yours. Why don't you go to a country like China, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam or Pakistan (and some African countries) and try to raise your kids there with your western parenting. You would think your western parenting techniques of letting your kids do whatever would be best there and that's what many of the immigrant parents think is best for their kids here.

Until you experience both sides of the issue, you have little room to make judgements on these people.
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Again, contrary to common opinion, I never intend to flame, but it's usually misinterpreted that way for some reason. Though I do agree I need a brwak from SDN lol 😛

You're assuming that i'm not part of that culture or for some reason assume i'm from a western culture. I guess this assumption is where the misinterpretation comes from. I actually understand the asian culture well, and contrary to what my critics believe, I have no problem with Asian premeds (or any premed) for that matter. Sure, I tend to get aggressive when i'm being assailed but that's understandable since my initial assertion was way oit of the line.

I agree nonetheless with your point that it's very naive to judge other cultures when we don't know anything about. That's a key point and leads to ethnocentric. Problem is I do understand asian culture well and i'm disheartened when I hear so many kids and teenagers are being stressed out excessively and are consistently pressured to do well by their parents. I read an article mentioning that long schooldays and incessant competition were a problem in South Korea. It's really disheartening and we can only hope thongs will be better in the future.
 
Plue00 said:
Until you experience both sides of the issue, you have little room to make judgements on these people.
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Not that I have much skin in the Asian tiger parenting game, but the above is simply not true. Everyone, you included, on here makes judgments all the time. Most without the slightest bit of real experience on either side.
 
Maybe because they want to?

Why does everyone assume that every brown person who wants to be a doctor is being pressured into it by their parents? Yes there are a lot of south asian pre-meds, but I know way more south asians who AREN'T premeds.
 
Pons Asinorum said:
Not that I have much skin in the Asian tiger parenting game, but the above is simply not true. Everyone, you included, on here makes judgments all the time. Most without the slightest bit of real experience on either side.
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I think what he meant is that you shouldn't make judgments in that case.
 
Lamel said:
Maybe because they want to?

Why does everyone assume that every brown person who wants to be a doctor is being pressured into it by their parents? Yes there are a lot of south asian pre-meds, but I know way more south asians who AREN'T premeds.
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This. Sometimes students pressure themselves, because they want to succeed and accomplish something.

Like I said, the "pressures" present in these Asian cultures might not be ideal, but it's alot better than the tragic thug mentality that has gripped many Latino and Black neighborhoods.

At any rate, it's not really about race, but more about class and immigrant status. Poor immigrants want to work hard and get somewhere in life. Whether or not they can (i.e. whether or not it's possible in this crap economy and economic system) is another story altogether.

If we're going to be open minded and talk about the issue seriously, then this question has to be asked: why isn't there more pressure placed on kids in Black households to do well in school?
 
Agent B said:
Lol, who knew Paki was a slur? It's just the first four letters of Pakistan. Oh well.

Also, don't forget about all those "white analogs" of the n-word, that political correctness loves to ignore.
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I dont know anyone who gets offended by the word cracker or honky. Most white people ridicule other white people for bringing up this "political incorrectness".
 
My parents are Indian as well. My father is a physician. They did not pressure me specifically to go into medicine, but they did make it very clear that whatever I did, it needed to be a top level education of some kind.

They've told me multiple times that I need to do what I want to do with my life, BUT I need to max out it out so to speak. For example, if I was to become an engineer or a teacher I should get a top of the line degree/job associated with my field of interest.
I actually agree with that. Why wouldnt I try to do that. Im not gonna lie, my father being a physician has influenced me but only up to the point that any father's career choice would influence his son.

So this is kind of an offensive thread. Not all Indians and Pakistani people go into medicine because their parent tell them they must. I legitimately was thinking about being an software engineer/computer programmer/video game developer in high school because I like computers, and working with my hands. Other healthcare experiences, shadowing and what not changed my mind. We dont all have our parents screaming at us "YOU BECOME DOCTOR NOW".

I have undergone phlebotomy training to get more healthcare experience in the past year after college and hopefully will get a phlebotomy job while i apply and interview for med schools. I like working with my hands and having direct patient contact and i'm very interested in surgery. After I got my MCAT score back which is good enough to apply to med schools, my parents again told me to reconsider going into medicine and to do what I would want to do.

So please stop with these ridiculous stereotypes.
 
How are both of these threads still open? How did this one survive years?? I'm disappointed in the administration.
 
Microglia said:
How are both of these threads still open? How did this one survive years?? I'm disappointed in the administration.
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Down with the admin! ANARCHY!!! Maybe I shouldn't say that since I'm a rule breaker and already in trubs. But yes, please kill this thread!
 
The only time Pakistan and India should be in the same sentence is when we're talking about our cricket team beating the crap out of them.

Now plz close this thread 😀
 
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