Why should DO still be 'seperate but equal' from an MD?

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Maybe it's impossible to start a thread on this without having a flame war but I'm curious if anyone has any good insights on this so here it goes.

From what I've seen the only difference between a DO and MD is the OMM DOs learn and apparently that by itself is enough to keep the two degrees distinct. Considering that DOs and MDs use the exact same treatments for the exact same illnesses I really don't understand how that alone is enough to warrant a separation between the two? Is there any logical reasoning in this besides politics?
 
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Balantidiumcoli said:
Maybe it's impossible to start a thread on this without having a flame war but I'm curious if anyone has any good insights on this so here it goes.

From what I've seen the only difference between a DO and MD is the OMM DOs learn and apparently that by itself is enough to keep the two degrees distinct. Considering that DOs and MDs use the exact same treatments for the exact same illnesses I really don't understand how that alone is enough to warrant a separation between the two? Is there any logical reasoning in this besides politics?
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This is a good question. I believe in OMM, and so do most of the DO's I shadowed. 2/4 I shadowed practice OMM. I think most of OMM is a great tool to use and truly allows the docs to use less invasive procedures, but some OMM is pretty weird.
 
I think we got as far as we need to in this thread......so how was everyone's thanksgiving?
 
gmcguitar4 said:
I think we got as far as we need to in this thread......so how was everyone's thanksgiving?
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Fine and yours?

Now let me ask you a question......

If a Danish pastry is made in New York, is it really Danish?
 
Venom5 said:
she's a symbol for the flaming/trolling/fighting that normally ensues after a question like that has been asked.
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Who comes up with this stuff? I wonder what's going to be next?
 
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MI Achilles said:
I thought the same thing when I read it.




I believe he said 2/4 because it tells you how many DO's he shadowed. If he said "1/2", then one would be unaware as to how many DO's he shadowed, it could be 4 but it could be 500.
Regards,
-Andrew
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He meant DOs are 2/4 what an MD is intellectually but didn't reduce it to 1/2 to make it appear somewhat PC. *Ducking*
 
Most DO's won't use OMM in their clinical practice.
 
NontradCA said:
He meant DOs are 2/4 what an MD is intellectually but didn't reduce it to 1/2 to make it appear somewhat PC. *Ducking*
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umm no. I meant that I shadowed 4 DO's and 2 didn't use OMM. Its better to say 2/4 instead of 1/2 because it shows the sample size.
 
Balantidiumcoli said:
Maybe it's impossible to start a thread on this without having a flame war but I'm curious if anyone has any good insights on this so here it goes.

From what I've seen the only difference between a DO and MD is the OMM DOs learn and apparently that by itself is enough to keep the two degrees distinct. Considering that DOs and MDs use the exact same treatments for the exact same illnesses I really don't understand how that alone is enough to warrant a separation between the two? Is there any logical reasoning in this besides politics?
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Because they both want to be spcial. Can't be special if they're all the same.
 
Sasha3 said:
umm no. I meant that I shadowed 4 DO's and 2 didn't use OMM. Its better to say 2/4 instead of 1/2 because it shows the sample size.
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My point exactly. 👍
On the contrary what he said was a funny.
 
Balantidiumcoli said:
Maybe it's impossible to start a thread on this without having a flame war but I'm curious if anyone has any good insights on this so here it goes.

From what I've seen the only difference between a DO and MD is the OMM DOs learn and apparently that by itself is enough to keep the two degrees distinct. Considering that DOs and MDs use the exact same treatments for the exact same illnesses I really don't understand how that alone is enough to warrant a separation between the two? Is there any logical reasoning in this besides politics?
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If they were both the same you wouldn't get into medical school with a 24 MCAT score
 
laricb said:
If they were both the same you wouldn't get into medical school with a 24 MCAT score
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And a 24 MCAT says what when you get done from an accredited residency and practice medicine with MDs?
 
laricb said:
If they were both the same you wouldn't get into medical school with a 24 MCAT score
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but the Caribbean grants the MD degree? and I think we can both agree that there are Carib MD students with <24 MCAT score

eta: your post history is hilarious. one day you're an anesthesiologist at NYU, the next day you submitted your AACOMAS and interviewed at SGU.
 
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Mbeas said:
but the Caribbean grants the MD degree? and I think we can both agree that there are Carib MD students with <24 MCAT score

eta: your post history is hilarious. one day you're an anesthesiologist at NYU, the next day you submitted your AACOMAS and interviewed at SGU.
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Haha I went and looked at his posts too.

From the AACOMAS Verification thread:
laricb said:
Submitted: 08/22 Transcripts Received: 08/24 Verified: 9/28 Released: -/- - laricb
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From some carib related thread.
laricb said:
Your residency part is wrong I went to SGU and graduated in 2011. I applied and received a residency as a
anesthesiologist at a NYC Hospital....
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This one is my fav though.
laricb said:
ROSS and SGU are top notch medical schools and you will probably come out better prepared then a U.S. medical school student, and if you blow away your step 1 test it wont matter where you went to school you will get whatever residency you want. Guys like skinmd put all Caribbean schools in the same basket
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Laricb: Ive been following SDN for probably 4-5 years now.

After reading the above posts about your history, You are by far the saddest person I have ever read on these boards. Ever.
 
docnotsopc said:
Laricb: Ive been following SDN for probably 4-5 years now.

After reading the above posts about your history, You are by far the saddest person I have ever read on these boards. Ever.
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Post more example. They made me :laugh:
 
MedPR said:
Haha I went and looked at his posts too.

From the AACOMAS Verification thread:


From some carib related thread.


This one is my fav though.
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That last one :eyebrow:

I'm tempted to think he is just making up everything he claims in his history. It is outstandingly misinformed, even for an SGU grad.
 
Wait... says pre-med. What was this "I went to the carib and then did residency in NYC" stuff? 😕
 
SpecterGT260 said:
Wait... says pre-med. What was this "I went to the carib and then did residency in NYC" stuff? 😕
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he practices at NYU bro. he's a baller...does anesthesiology.

also, he's really interested in OMM so he is now applying to DO schools
 
Mbeas said:
he practices at NYU bro. he's a baller.

also, he's really interested in OMM so he is now applying to DO schools
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No. No that is untrue :d

The only possibility approaching this is that he did actually graduate SGU but is working some random hospital job after failing to match anywhere and is now trying DO as another shot. But even that seems far fetched.
 
SpecterGT260 said:
No. No that is untrue :d

The only possibility approaching this is that he did actually graduate SGU but is working some random hospital job after failing to match anywhere and is now trying DO as another shot. But even that seems far fetched.
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From what I've seen, if you graduate form Caribbean, especially SGU, you will most likely find a residency spot SOMEWHERE. Might be FM or IM in a rural area or Detroit, but you will find something. Unless, the Step score is = to his MCAT score.
 
Mbeas said:
you missed the sarcasm

anyways, i think he is a pre-med that's never been to med school
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No I got your sarcasm, but I was worried that if I were to entertain any further silliness, absurdity, or otherwise "tom foolery" at that particular moment that I would blow a circuit and begin bleeding from the ears. Had to let it slide and go all serious-face for a moment to allow the buffer to be built back up 👍
 
Sasha3 said:
From what I've seen, if you graduate form Caribbean, especially SGU, you will most likely find a residency spot SOMEWHERE. Might be FM or IM in a rural area or Detroit, but you will find something. Unless, the Step score is = to his MCAT score.
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Yes, your odds arent abysmal, but they selectively graduate people who show promise of matching and IIRC this is something around 25% of total enrolled per year. Even then their match rate is still something like 60%, isnt it? Just pulling numbers that seem right based on what I read previously. If someone has their actual numbers post them up.
 
SpecterGT260 said:
Yes, your odds arent abysmal, but they selectively graduate people who show promise of matching and IIRC this is something around 25% of total enrolled per year. Even then their match rate is still something like 60%, isnt it? Just pulling numbers that seem right based on what I read previously. If someone has their actual numbers post them up.
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I don't know their numbers. I know a guy who went to Windsor, got an FM residency in Chicago, a guy from Ross that got into an IM in Chicago, and 2 people from SGU that are matching right know, but have decent Step scores. So its definitely possible, just an uphill battle.
 
Sasha3 said:
I don't know their numbers. I know a guy who went to Windsor, got an FM residency in Chicago, a guy from Ross that got into an IM in Chicago, and 2 people from SGU that are matching right know, but have decent Step scores. So its definitely possible, just an uphill battle.
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It's like volunteering to play god mode with the understanding that you will be almost half a milli in debt if you don't win the game.
 
Sasha3 said:
I don't know their numbers. I know a guy who went to Windsor, got an FM residency in Chicago, a guy from Ross that got into an IM in Chicago, and 2 people from SGU that are matching right know, but have decent Step scores. So its definitely possible, just an uphill battle.
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I don't think anyone is saying it isnt possible. They match people every year to US programs. IMO it is just a complete crapshoot. Especially as a pre-med.
 
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