Why should i use more expensive equipment (arthrex, paragon, etc)

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TLDR my program we use barebones for pretty much everything (synthes lol) and while I'm grateful for that its hard to not look at these more expensive companies and their more user friendly systems.

Does the cost of the system eat into what I would get paid? Example being I use 1/3 tubular plate from small frag set, vs an anatomic plate from wright medical... If it were to eat into what I would get paid I'll just stick to bare bones haha

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TLDR my program we use barebones for pretty much everything (synthes lol) and while I'm grateful for that its hard to not look at these more expensive companies and their more user friendly systems.

Does the cost of the system eat into what I would get paid? Example being I use 1/3 tubular plate from small frag set, vs an anatomic plate from wright medical... If it were to eat into what I would get paid I'll just stick to bare bones haha

If you operate at an ASC that you don't have any ownership of - the facility will evaluate your hardware costs and will potentially approach you about the costs ie. hey, some of these cases are kind of expensive. Hey, can we not use this and find a similar product that we have a better contract with. Or hey - you can do this, but you're going to need to generate some revenue on other cases ie. book 3-4 in a day and then we can take a loss on this type of case. ASCs can also avoid these conversations by simply not allowing you to use expensive hardware.

If you operate an an ASC that you have ownership of - then you are potentially generating increased hardware costs for a facility from which you are hoping to receive a dividend check. If you put $4K worth of hardware into a Medicare Austin the facility is probably eating it.

ASCs sometimes are able to pass some of the costs onto commercial insurance ie. the insurances will reimburse hardware costs. Other times the ASC will have a lump sum contract with the ASC - the most common insurance for this is Medicare, but there are commercial insurances that refuse to pay for hardware. The ASC would very much like for you to control costs in the case of lump sum.

My experience is that ASCs may have large fee schedule prices ie. the number that gets submitted to the patient or the insurance looks like a big number, but ASC reimbursement for a lot of procedures/insurances isn't necessarily the huge number you might think it would be. For example - a patient told me their commercial insurance paid like $7K for an isolated 1st MPJ fusion. This is a true ASC. Not a hospital. That's a real number, but its not in line with the huge numbers people toss around on these forums. It would surprise you how low the reimbursement is from Medicare for a lot of common podiatry procedures. The sources I am looking at suggest 28296 for example contains a very trivial reimbursement. Fusions tend to receive high reimbursement under contracts. Medicare and some insurances apparently have complexity modifiers where procedures with more codes sometimes provide higher reimbursement.

In general, hospitals receive higher reimbursement for procedures. When you go a conference and people are showing piles of expensive hardware plowed into an x-ray - a lot of these cases have to be occurring at hospitals...

Last of all. No. None of this should in any way affect your future reimbursement. The code is the code. If you are hospital employed you get RVUs for it. If you are PP you get your collections for it.
 
AO / Synthes / J&J / DePuy isn't "bare bones" (unless you're just using k-wires and solid screws).... it's top quality for most things and average to a bit above on cost typically. They just don't market a ton (because their stuff is good, sells itself). They come out with lock plates and stuff first or very soon (ie, watched the failure that was tight rope... developed and now offer fibulink, also have acquired a top staple company and top MIS company).

Other ones aren't "more user friendly" either...
Plates and screws are plates and screws. Synthes has all of the MIS and gimmicky stuff if you want it (Crossroads). Stryker is #2 company... basically knockoffs of synthes with fancy colors. Other ones are varied twists and gimmicks... higher cost typically. They're all based off AO.

What you will need, beyond a screw/plate company, is a soft tissue company (Arthrex is market leader, my choice). You also need a bone grafts/products company for allograft etc (every company has dbm). So, I use synthes screws/plates/staples, arthrex anchors/bioscrews, occasionally mtf for allograft hospital bone bank doesn't have. I typically have Stryker or a different Synthes set as backup since that's what most facilities have (in case main set was dropped /contaminated).

Where companies get a lot of profit is usually their biologics and new stuff. If they get surgeons using them for everything, they can sneak in high margin stuff. Its no wonder Twice medical pays to plant podiatry text chapters or lectures. All companies always send a jock dude or cute lady rep... a lot of docs are dorks who fall for it. Just think about all the marketing and repping and gifts to docs some companies do, and that comes out in price markups.

A lot of ASCs wisely just make them all same cost (akin staple from Synthes or Wmt or Stryker all get $300, 4.0mm cann screws all get $200 each, etc). Many of them blackball the brands / "systems" that are way outliers (tweece etc). Some don't.

...You also have to think about removal. A lot of the 'niche' companies get bought, sold, go out of biz, change/modify reps a lot. Some of them have wacky screwdrivers, stupid stuff that makes revision/salvage rough, and soft metals like titanium strip and break easier. I pick synthes as much for the quality and price as for the fact the patient can get fibula plate or calc screws out anywhere in the world. As mentioned, at physician-owner surgery centers, they magically use almost exclusively synthes wires and solid screws ... yet results are good.

At the end of the day, it's your skill and planning and patient selection/education that makes a surgery go well. Technique over "technology."
 
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I don't really understand the dynamics of how all this works, but what will sometimes surprise you is that a lot of sets have both a hardware cost, but also a "set" cost ie. the facility gets charged for both the screw and the drills that were used in the preparation.

As a 3rd year resident I was once approached by the hospital hardware lady because she was blown away by the cost difference in two Jones fractures that were repaired a week apart. The first was repaired with Synthes and the screw cost was like $100. The second fracture was repaired using some sort of Stryker 5th metatarsal targeting system and the price broke $1000. I don't recall the exact numbers, but the difference was so dramatic that the lady wanted to know if there was something very different between the 2 fractures. The only difference was the reps and the hardware they brought...
 
Whoever gives the better rep dinners and paid vacations. Sorry. Education seminars.

Still waiting on something from Synthes. That’s why I don’t use them
 
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Whoever gives the better rep dinners and paid vacations. Sorry. Education seminars.

Still waiting on something from Synthes. That’s why I don’t use them
I love free dinners
Yes, this is what they're counting on. Marketing 101 ^^

Soon enough, you'll probably learn to despise the free lunch. 🙂

fwiw, Synthes does do weekend workshops (usually in TX or FL, typically for their newer products/acquisitions). I have signed up for a few but have never gone to one... as others said, I like my weekends and evenings. Something always comes up that trumps doing more work stuff on a weekend off.
 
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A synthes small frag and mod foot set has everything you will need majority of the time, which is standard at most hospitals in case your preferred vendor drops the ball.
 
Yes, this is what they're counting on. Marketing 101 ^^

Soon enough, you'll probably learn to despise the free lunch. 🙂

fwiw, Synthes does do weekend workshops (usually in TX or FL, typically for their newer products/acquisitions). I have signed up for a few but have never gone to one... as others said, I like my weekends and evenings. Something always comes up that trumps it.
48 laws of power....what the heck kind of David Goggins/Tai Lopez did I just read
 
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