Yes, but the NPs have "established" with "studies" that they have just as good outcomes as PCPs. They have not made the same claim with specialists (then people would know they're really nuts). In specialty medicine, their role is more supplementary.
Completely agree, but I just wanted to point out that they are not only in primary care... I think these politicians are nuts for letting these people practice without physician's supervision in some states...
No one has issue with NPs working under supervision, it's when they wish to work autonomously and independently which is the problem. Esp. since they have many less contact hours before getting a full license (under Nursing).
How can you say that when you haven't gone through any of it? You're preaching about how you aren't going to dislike how demanding residency is all while making very little money and watching loans compound and how once you are a resident you aren't going to envy those who have had a fairly generous steady pay since when you joined med school and are able to have a family, buy a house, car, travel, etc, but you haven't even come near to any of those things. I think it's naive to say how you are going to enjoy it and how the negative aspects aren't going to phase you when you have absolutely no clue how you will feel in the future. You don't think that many of the people in med school, or residency, or practicing physicians didn't feel exactly the way you did before getting into med school? Don't be so sure that you're "better" or will be different than them...
Psych is not primary care. The only primary care fields are General IM/General Peds/Family Medicine.
No Obgyn? Ok, so my question still stands
While psych is not primary care, but there are some encroachment by non-physicians as well in the field...
Well with the choices Gen IM/Gen Peds/FM, Hospitalist tends to be quite popular. We don't have midlevel hospitalists. Yet.
Noob question, but is that a difficult position to get? It's just after any general IM residency right?
You can be a pediatric hospitalist as well. And no, it's not a difficult position. I imagine there are FM board certified hospitalists as well.
From what I gather, hopitalist work has its own set of headaches but this seems to give a glimmer of hope to those of us who don't want to lose everything to the NP/PA expanding scope of practice
Another non-trad who thinks that his extra experience will help him deal with med school better. Now your posts make sense. Keep this quote and I want you to look at this after you match or during internship and see how much you focus on the journey.
Been wondering that too. Premeds and their absolute vast life experience (including non-trads) who seem to know more about how medicine actually works, than people who've actually gone thru it.
I've noticed that accepted students are amongst the most arrogant and pretentious group of people I've ever met in life. I've recently done a pre matriculation program which also had some summer pre med students in it along with numerous TAs. The attitudes between the premeds, accepted students and medical students were drastically different.
Keywords here are uninformed and naive, which is what premeds in this thread are, hence making them insufferable. Not surprising as they haven't rotated.
Again (for like the millionth time), the "experience" that non-trads come in with isn't even close to what medicine, esp. residency is like. In fact, many of those non-trads who claim how somehow they're more prepared bc of it, are the biggest whiners on rotations when it comes to other people accomodating them.
I don't know what podiatry education is in terms of # of years and tuition costs.
It's a combined program. The FM part is what allows it to qualify, not psych.
Why? It's not like they will be seeing them for their care. They'll be demanding a physician.
I like how you counter a generality with another generality.
Did I say ALL non-trads are like that?
No. But I tend to think that most who've worked in the medical field switch to medicine realizing they knew nothing, and did so wanting to expand their knowledge.
Hence my qualifier: "many of those non-trads who claim how somehow they're more prepared bc of it,"
You're saying that people are claiming to know more about medicine because of their experience? If so then I agree with you. I think however, that older individuals will have less difficulty adjusting to the academics and clinical duties of med school. Having life experience, no matter what the background usually translates to confidence, problem solving and an appreciation for what matters most.
Except many times it doesn't change the final result. It's a feather in the cap, but 9 times out of 10 doesn't make them "more prepared" for doing well in med school.
You're right. I think the only difference is the age at which someone decides to pursue medicine. I was going to say that I would not have been prepared for medical school at 22, but I realize it's because I had no desire to be a physician at the time. I'd be naive and extremely cocky but I'm not sure what that translates to in clinical practice or if that mentality would even prevail through med school.
You're right. The only expenses you will have after finishing residency are your student loans. It's not like you'll want to get married, have children, get a house, etc. Nope just student loans. Learn common sense.
You forgot this little thing called taxes.
