Why you should NOT do an accelerated BA/MD program

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I am sitting here writing this as I finish up a ten hour day of studying. My friends are all on summer break enjoying the beautiful weather while I spend my days alone in my apartment studying. I am a third year student in a 6 year accelerated BA/MD program. I am here to tell you to NOT take this route. Sure it sounds great in the long run. You'll be done two years earlier, some of us don't have to take the mcat, you get clinical experience so early. I am here to tell you it IS NOT WORTH IT. Maybe I'm just bitter because for the past three years my friends have enjoyed their summer breaks while I have slaved away doing chemistry, biochem, or physiology. I have had stress migraines for a month now. I have been to doctors upon doctors hoping to get some relief. A 21 year old should not have to suffer through that kind of high stress. These programs are two years shorter because they squeeze in all the information in a small amount of time. My summer break is all of two weeks this year. I don't get the college experience I always dreamed of. I don't get to be in a sorority or go to bar crawls or football games. I threw that away for this program. I threw it away for the stress of medical school at a very young age. Sometimes I even question my choice of becoming a physician. At 18 I was absolutely sure I wanted to be a doctor. I had always dreamed of it. But the truth is, you don't know who you are at that age. You can't. Many people (probably close to 10 out of 100) have dropped out because they realized medicine wasn't for them. I'm still trying to figure out who I am and I'm 21. Please please please consider this post before you think about attending one of these programs. You give up so much and gain so little. Trust me, you want the college experience. You want to look back and tell your kids how your college years were the best of your life. I don't think many people in my program can say that.

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I am sitting here writing this as I finish up a ten hour day of studying. My friends are all on summer break enjoying the beautiful weather while I spend my days alone in my apartment studying. I am a third year student in a 6 year accelerated BA/MD program. I am here to tell you to NOT take this route. Sure it sounds great in the long run. You'll be done two years earlier, some of us don't have to take the mcat, you get clinical experience so early. I am here to tell you it IS NOT WORTH IT. Maybe I'm just bitter because for the past three years my friends have enjoyed their summer breaks while I have slaved away doing chemistry, biochem, or physiology. I have had stress migraines for a month now. I have been to doctors upon doctors hoping to get some relief. A 21 year old should not have to suffer through that kind of high stress. These programs are two years shorter because they squeeze in all the information in a small amount of time. My summer break is all of two weeks this year. I don't get the college experience I always dreamed of. I don't get to be in a sorority or go to bar crawls or football games. I threw that away for this program. I threw it away for the stress of medical school at a very young age. Sometimes I even question my choice of becoming a physician. At 18 I was absolutely sure I wanted to be a doctor. I had always dreamed of it. But the truth is, you don't know who you are at that age. You can't. Many people (probably close to 10 out of 100) have dropped out because they realized medicine wasn't for them. I'm still trying to figure out who I am and I'm 21. Please please please consider this post before you think about attending one of these programs. You give up so much and gain so little. Trust me, you want the college experience. You want to look back and tell your kids how your college years were the best of your life. I don't think many people in my program can say that.
Many people go through this type of experience as premeds at tough undergrads, without getting the years shaved off, the safety of a pre-acceptance and skipping the MCAT. You're comparing your situation to the wrong people. Try talking to some people studying 10 hours at Hopkins just to eek out a GPA that lets them apply with decent odds, and the pity party vibes should dissipate quickly
 
I am in no way, shape, or form trying to obtain pity. I am simply sharing my experience in the program. It's not just about the studying. It's about committing yourself to a profession at the age of 18. Your identity has yet to form at that age. I'm posting this to allow others who are considering this path a different viewpoint. Your negativity is unnecessary.
 
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I agree with efle. I wouldn't say your feelings are anything unique compared to things that other pre meds face. Most "pre-meds" don't actually become doctors. The MCAT, mental issues, organic chemistry and just plain stupidity weeds them out.
 
ComputerGuy365 that is exactly my point. "Most pre-meds don't actually become doctors." so why commit yourself to a program where that is basically the only option? I have a degree in liberal arts and I will have my MD. I can do basically nothing with a liberal arts degree. I would suggest using undergrad to test out if medical school would be right for you. Committing yourself to that lifestyle with almost no way out at the age of 18 is unnecessary.
 
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ComputerGuy365 that is exactly my point. "Most pre-meds don't actually become doctors." so why commit yourself to a program where that is basically the only option? I have a degree in liberal arts and I will have my MD. I can do basically nothing with a liberal arts degree. I would suggest using undergrad to test out if medical school would be right for you. Committing yourself to that lifestyle with almost no way out at the age of 18 is unnecessary.
You misunderstand. Many people desperately want to be doctors, and slave away for years at the dream only to be denied by an incredibly competitive standardized test or being in a student body so damn smart it's impossible for them to be above average. YOU are essentially promised an MD, plus two more years to your career, if you put in the effort many others are doing too just for the chance.
 
I agree with everything you've written. These accelerated programs are unnecessary and no one should do them. And I don't understand why others are missing the point of your post. I hope things get better for you.
And what about my point above? Working your ass off for BS/MD while your non-premed buddies are off partying is clearly >> working your ass off for the chance to apply while your non-premed buddies are off partying. Being in it is hard and it sucks...but so does premed life for many elsewhere.
 
You misunderstand. Many people desperately want to be doctors, and slave away for years at the dream only to be denied by an incredibly competitive standardized test or being in a student body so damn smart it's impossible for them to be above average. YOU are essentially promised an MD, plus two more years to your career, if you put in the effort many others are doing too just for the chance.

No I don't misunderstand. Most people at the age of 18 do not know who they are or what they want to become. I committed myself to this field and have little ways to get out of it. Many people in my program have dropped out because they decided medicine wasn't for them. I wish I did pre-med so I would have had more time to figure out exactly what I wanted to do. I am not saying pre-med is any less stressful.
 
No I don't misunderstand. Most people at the age of 18 do not know who they are or what they want to become. I committed myself to this field and have little ways to get out of it. Many people in my program have dropped out because they decided medicine wasn't for them. I wish I did pre-med so I would have had more time to figure out exactly what I wanted to do. I am not saying pre-med is any less stressful.
But what you're discovering, that maybe all this hard work isn't worth it and you don't love it enough after all, is not something specific to BS/MD either. The regular premed track is the same. BS/MD usually only takes applicants who have a good amount of clinical exposure, so essentially it just accelerates a realization that would be reached outside BS/MD just the same.


The fact that other people do hard things doesn't make it easier for the OP, nor does it negate her suffering.

And as she points out succinctly, she has no real bailout, unlike traditional pre-meds. That's an inappropriate commitment for an 18yo to make.
The fact that other premeds have it just as ****ty and go through the same "is it worth it" struggle does negate his reasons for why BS/MD is bad. All that BS/MD does is guarantee the person will actually have a light at the end of their tunnel if they choose to fight all the way there.

And what bailout do tradition premeds have? A bio degree gets you jack **** out there
 
The bailout for the traditional pathway is the ages of 18-21, before you actually apply/accept a spot in medical school.

I love med school admissions. You need long-term shadowing, clinical experience, and volunteering to prove that you know what you're getting into and that you can handle it. Except these programs, where they take a high school senior and rope them into a long-term pathway that makes it very difficult to change gears. The central problem with the combined program is the age at which the commitment is made, not the difficulty.

And for the record, the average premed is doing things at a 25% reduced speed relative to the OP.
Except people in BS/MD are not under some coercion to actually attend the MD part or stay in the program. They can not only decide to leave equally to a premed, they can decide SOONER. Most premeds don't get weeded out until Ochem/MCAT during what, the third year? By then they're pretty much stuck with their Bio major.

You need all those things for the BS/MD programs too, do you not? Again, I don't understand how the program is detrimental to the applicant. All it does is give them a reassurance nobody else gets during the years of hard work.

The academic content may move at 75% speed, but I bet the effort poured in is just as much for the average premed extremely concerned about their grades/EC building since they don't get the guarantee of an acceptance by just doing schoolwork.
 
Except people in BS/MD are not under some coercion to actually attend the MD part or stay in the program. They can not only decide to leave equally to a premed, they can decide SOONER. Most premeds don't get weeded out until Ochem/MCAT during what, the third year? By then they're pretty much stuck with their Bio major.

You need all those things for the BS/MD programs too, do you not? Again, I don't understand how the program is detrimental to the applicant. All it does is give them a reassurance nobody else gets during the years of hard work.

The academic content may move at 75% speed, but I bet the effort poured in is just as much for the average premed extremely concerned about their grades/EC building since they don't get the guarantee of an acceptance by just doing schoolwork.
You can have your opinion, that's fine. All I am trying to do is share an experience of one person actually in one of these programs. I never said it was detrimental. I will not repeat my points again as I have already stated them multiple times. You have your opinion, which is made without any knowledge of the requirements of my program. That's fine.
 
The only downside I really see with BS/MD is that you do not have a choice of other schools. Many good schools like NYU and Cornell do not have programs like that. As efle mentioned, you are practically guaranteed a free ride to med school while putting in the same amount of effort as any other traditional premed.
 
You can have your opinion, that's fine. All I am trying to do is share an experience of one person actually in one of these programs. I never said it was detrimental. I will not repeat my points again as I have already stated them multiple times. You have your opinion, which is made without any knowledge of the requirements of my program. That's fine.
There is no BS/MD with requirements that would make it a bad idea in my mind. What I state is reason, more than opinion. The only difference between you and many other premeds is that you have a guaranteed option at the end of the difficult road. Choosing regular premed over BS/MD makes zero sense; only good things come along with the BS/MD, as all the negatives are already there.

The only downside I really see with BS/MD is that you do not have a choice of other schools. Many good schools like NYU and Cornell do not have programs like that. As efle mentioned, you are practically guaranteed a free ride to med school while putting in the same amount of effort as any other traditional premed.
Some BS/MDs are non-binding so you can apply elsewhere still. You just have a guaranteed option.
 
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Some people will never enjoy or have the total "college experience". The BA/MD or any accelerated professional program is not for everyone, I think that's all the OP was saying. Obviously accelerated programs are well suited for certain people, but I would guess that to be the minority of people who eventually matriculate into their chosen profession.
 
I too am in a BS/MD program, so I'll sympathize with you. I honestly will. I've studied more the past month than I have in my senior in high school. I haven't had breathing room since I can remember. I see the same 9 people everyday, and the rest of the people I see are faces. I traded a wonderful partner for this. I procrastinated for the first time in my life last Saturday. I'm tense. My books are heavy, and I haven't eaten or been to the gym in 3 days. I work, sleep, study 5 hours a day, and occasionally eat. I'm 75 percent sure I'm anemic, I can't sleep, I binge watch Netflix til 4 am, I'm generally not in a healthy place. On top of all that, I can name every muscle in and around the head, neck, chest, spine and back, which I shouldn't be able to do since I'm only 18 and basically a junior in college. The worst part about it, I have 6 more years of this, and the first year hasn't even begun.

That said, I don't think I'd trade it for the world. Call me crazy, but I've enjoyed it somehow. I don't know how, but I still wake up with a smile on my face, jog over to the hospital, enjoy the classes, enjoy the patient contact, and beg for more of it all. I love where I am. It's the most stressful time ever, but it's the greatest time ever.

I'm probably just driven mad and in my own little world most of the time, but life is great. Life is great. Count your blessings some time. It's what I like to do every once in a while. It's a battle of perspective.
 
For those of you bitching about how hard it is so early on, you will find that there is a learning curve, and it's longer than you might think. It gets better. You get better at it. And then, one day, you find yourself in proper med school working harder than you did before, saying, "what was the big deal before?"

And then you'll do the same thing in residency in a very unique way.

Perspective. The irony is that the best way to understand this is to have already done it.
 
I was totally badass enough...then I screwed around aimlessly in college and dropped out so I could wait 10yrs before going back to school. What a colossal waste
I dunno dude, you essentially need the type of app to get you into every single Top 10 to go BS/MD. 2400 SATs, 4.00s and extensive volunteerism/leadership/research (somehow) is typical for that bunch of applicants
 
I dunno dude, you essentially need the type of app to get you into every single Top 10 to go BS/MD. 2400 SATs, 4.00s and extensive volunteerism/leadership/research (somehow) is typical for that bunch of applicants

It's certainly not surprising. If getting into med school the traditional route was hard enough then do you think a faster and easier route would be easier to get into?
 
I am sitting here writing this as I finish up a ten hour day of studying. My friends are all on summer break enjoying the beautiful weather while I spend my days alone in my apartment studying. I am a third year student in a 6 year accelerated BA/MD program. I am here to tell you to NOT take this route. Sure it sounds great in the long run. You'll be done two years earlier, some of us don't have to take the mcat, you get clinical experience so early. I am here to tell you it IS NOT WORTH IT. Maybe I'm just bitter because for the past three years my friends have enjoyed their summer breaks while I have slaved away doing chemistry, biochem, or physiology. I have had stress migraines for a month now. I have been to doctors upon doctors hoping to get some relief. A 21 year old should not have to suffer through that kind of high stress. These programs are two years shorter because they squeeze in all the information in a small amount of time. My summer break is all of two weeks this year. I don't get the college experience I always dreamed of. I don't get to be in a sorority or go to bar crawls or football games. I threw that away for this program. I threw it away for the stress of medical school at a very young age. Sometimes I even question my choice of becoming a physician. At 18 I was absolutely sure I wanted to be a doctor. I had always dreamed of it. But the truth is, you don't know who you are at that age. You can't. Many people (probably close to 10 out of 100) have dropped out because they realized medicine wasn't for them. I'm still trying to figure out who I am and I'm 21. Please please please consider this post before you think about attending one of these programs. You give up so much and gain so little. Trust me, you want the college experience. You want to look back and tell your kids how your college years were the best of your life. I don't think many people in my program can say that.
So you're saying you regret becoming a physician art 24 and having the whole rest of your life because why? You didn't get to party and sleep around enough? There's plenty of time to do that in your 20s. Hit up some party hostels during your break and you can live the whole college experience in weeks lol
 
It's certainly not surprising. If getting into med school the traditional route was hard enough then do you think a faster and easier route would be easier to get into?
Getting into midlevel med school the traditional route can be easier than getting into HYPSM or BS/MD imo
 
Getting into midlevel med school the traditional route can be easier than getting into HYPSM or BS/MD imo

Also you should consider the amount of people accepted into these programs.
 
Yeah, exactly my original point. I did not do nearly enough awesome **** in high school to compete with that tiny handful of superstars

I peaked way too early...I was a much more impressive high schooler than I am a med student 😉
 
I peaked way too early...I was a much more impressive high schooler than I am a med student 😉
Man I might have too. Captain of a sports team, had my own (super ****ty but it was mine) car, honeymoon phase in full swing with the chica, excited for college...gonna be hard to reach that nirvana again!
 
If I got into a BA/MD program out of high school, I would do it in a heartbeat. But that's me personally.
 
I wish I could go back in time and do a ba/md right out of high school

Exactly. I know of a good amount of people who did and their lives aren't as hectic as other pre meds when they get the required GPA/MCAT for their program. Once they fulfill all the requirements, they can go to medical school without doing all the primary/secondary apps like other pre-med students. I know people who were part of such programs and took a gap year because they graduated early. They were guaranteed a seat in the following year due to completing all the program's requirements.

An incentive to do very well in high school in my opinion if you are set on doing medicine is doing one of these programs. They make your lives as a pre med student a whole lot easier.

I met someone who went to the Northwestern BS/MD program which is incredibly competitive. He did very well in high school to achieve his goal of getting into a BS/MD program. I think he didn't have to take the MCAT and all he had to maintain was a 3.2+ cGPA/sGPA which honestly considering how selective the program is, I'm sure it isn't too hard for those who are accepted to complete those requirements. I believe this individual is now a resident or attending by now. I met him in his junior year at Northwestern and he talked about how he was having a great time and the pressure of being a pre med wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been if he didn't go this route. Although not all programs are like this, most programs require a 3.5+/30+ (30 on the old MCAT).
 
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I am sitting here writing this as I finish up a ten hour day of studying. My friends are all on summer break enjoying the beautiful weather while I spend my days alone in my apartment studying. I am a third year student in a 6 year accelerated BA/MD program. I am here to tell you to NOT take this route. Sure it sounds great in the long run. You'll be done two years earlier, some of us don't have to take the mcat, you get clinical experience so early. I am here to tell you it IS NOT WORTH IT. Maybe I'm just bitter because for the past three years my friends have enjoyed their summer breaks while I have slaved away doing chemistry, biochem, or physiology. I have had stress migraines for a month now. I have been to doctors upon doctors hoping to get some relief. A 21 year old should not have to suffer through that kind of high stress. These programs are two years shorter because they squeeze in all the information in a small amount of time. My summer break is all of two weeks this year. I don't get the college experience I always dreamed of. I don't get to be in a sorority or go to bar crawls or football games. I threw that away for this program. I threw it away for the stress of medical school at a very young age. Sometimes I even question my choice of becoming a physician. At 18 I was absolutely sure I wanted to be a doctor. I had always dreamed of it. But the truth is, you don't know who you are at that age. You can't. Many people (probably close to 10 out of 100) have dropped out because they realized medicine wasn't for them. I'm still trying to figure out who I am and I'm 21. Please please please consider this post before you think about attending one of these programs. You give up so much and gain so little. Trust me, you want the college experience. You want to look back and tell your kids how your college years were the best of your life. I don't think many people in my program can say that.

To be honest, I have met BS/MD students in certain universities who still had a great social life but their mentality was "play hard, study hard." They did all of what you bolded. It's possible but its a lot of time management something I would say these certain individuals were great at doing. Now they are all second year med students.

Although, I have met some students in those programs that felt miserable because of how limited they felt by it. Meaning students who felt if they weren't restricted to the program, they could have gotten into a better program if they applied to medical schools. But I believe most BS/MD programs are binding so it's not allowed unless you want to risk losing your spot in your current program.
 
Lol quit whining, this is what being a pre-med is. You will study until you want to cry, miss tons of social opportunities, and several times think you made a huge mistake. I guess there is a lesson here to people considering both BA/MD and pre-med in general: It is a system that is not designed to be easy or fun, it's designed to be spirit-breakingly brutal. Medical school is a dream for a lot of people at the end of the day, and if you want it you have to give away your bar crawls and football games. That goes for BA/MD or pre-med -- you're "College experience" will not exist (at least not to the same degree as most), so if you want to have that experience, go study something else. Sorry to be harsh, maybe I'm just bitter, but it is the truth more often than not.
 
I know of one school (not naming because anonymity) that got rid of their BS/MD program fairly recently, due to a ridiculous proportion of those students falling flat on their faces once they got to the clinical years. I really, really hate the "good grades = socially awkward" generalization, but I've never felt it was more true than in those kids. Most were okay with presenting, knowledge base, etc. but were completely unable to interact with laypeople in a way that didn't make you want to rip your eyeballs out. I have no idea why.
 
I know of one school (not naming because anonymity) that got rid of their BS/MD program fairly recently, due to a ridiculous proportion of those students falling flat on their faces once they got to the clinical years. I really, really hate the "good grades = socially awkward" generalization, but I've never felt it was more true than in those kids. Most were okay with presenting, knowledge base, etc. but were completely unable to interact with laypeople in a way that didn't make you want to rip your eyeballs out. I have no idea why.
They're probably the type that's too smart to be anything but terrified and lonely around your typical teenagers, so they just made their high school lives about academics (and video games). When you demand that applicants be among the nation's best academically, you probably aren't going to get a sample of socially developed, relatable people. A few adcoms on here have said they feel the same regarding applicants with insanely high stats, like it's a pleasant surprise when an 80+ LizzyM can behave and converse normally or something

Of course there are exceptions, I don't want speedysavior to think I assume he's socially awkward 😉
 
Just wanted to say that it was a little surprising to see some of the condescending responses the OP received.....I think that their post will provide perspective for those high schoolers researching/considering accelerated programs - it's just one perspective, but maybe it will help them make a better-informed decision about whether they will ultimately enroll in a BS/MD program.

As others suggested earlier in the thread, the SDN audience understands the "spirit-breakingly brutal" system - but that doesn't mean that the community here should accuse OP of whining and respond with negativity.

OP - For all those moments you felt you missed out on in college - I hope (and believe) that you will get them all back once you are a MD.
 
Just wanted to say that it was a little surprising to see some of the condescending responses the OP received.....I think that their post will provide perspective for those high schoolers researching/considering accelerated programs - it's just one perspective, but maybe it will help them make a better-informed decision about whether they will ultimately enroll in a BS/MD program.

As others suggested earlier in the thread, the SDN audience understands the "spirit-breakingly brutal" system - but that doesn't mean that the community here should accuse OP of whining and respond with negativity.

OP - For all those moments you felt you missed out on in college - I hope (and believe) that you will get them all back once you are a MD.
The negative responses were towards the idea that it was the BS/MD program that was so horrible, rather than being premed in general. It isn't. Regular premed is also brutal and does not have a guaranteed happy ending if you push through. The real message here is "don't pursue medicine" if you care more about having all the fun moments. OP has yet to give a reason why BS/MD is a bad choice relative to regular premed.
 
I wish I did pre-med so I would have had more time to figure out exactly what I wanted to do. I am not saying pre-med is any less stressful.

In OP's defense, she does understand that pre-med is just as stressful as BS/MD. According to her statement above, the reason she thinks BS/MD was a bad choice is because she didn't get to explore other options besides going MD once she was locked in. She is saying it was a bad choice because it enabled her 18-year-old self to determine the next 6 years of her life, without leaving any room for flexibility/deviation from that course of study.
 
As a resident who is really starting to feel like the length of my medical training is excruciating, I will only say this: I'd give anything to have the two years (and $80k) of my life back that was spent by not going BS/MD.

Exploring other interests etc in college was fun and interesting, but it ultimately had zero relevance to my career and wasn't worth the massive capital investment.
 
I thought about doing BS/MD early in high school, then I had an experience senior year that turned me off of medicine for awhile, so I decided not to. When I decided to do medicine again during my freshman year of college, and when I got a little burnt out on my major during my senior year of college (after I got in to med school I was like WHEN CAN I START), I did regret that decision a bit. However, I do not regret it at all now. Just adding to the OP and other posts:
1. I was able to take advantage of opportunities BS/MD students often don't get, like studying abroad for a semester. While you can always do an international rotation, do medical missions, or travel after med school, doing a study abroad program through college is relatively easy to pursue (already organized and some are funded through your tuition so you only have to pay airfare) and it was something that was HUGE to me in terms of growing as a person (diversity, becoming more independent, seeing sights/important places, learning history of a new place, etc.) and that I honestly would not trade for anything. The two extra years were worth it just for that one semester.
2. I learned about something completely outside of medicine, that was both fun and helped me grow as a person. I majored in English, and not only was it something I enjoyed, but I was able to improve my critical thinking and writing skills (both will be/have been useful to me in life and on the job) and learn a lot about the diversity of human experience at the same time too. I see the last one as very important to my practice, as by reading works by diverse authors and learning how to analyze them through the lenses of racism, classism, feminism, etc. literary theories, I've become better able to understand others' experiences and the interplay of the "isms" in real life, and hopefully be more respectful and open to my patients' unique lives. Also, having the "fun" four years, and now being able to kind-of apply it as a hobby if I want to (creative writing, writing criticism/reviews of books), gives me something to look back on and look forward to pursuing more when I have more time. Is the specific skill set necessary to my practice? No, but I'm definitely using it in other ways, and in my case I felt like it really expanded my life outside of medicine too, which is important to me. I'd make the case that if you go BS/MD and have any elective time at all (not sure if you ever do?), you should spend it on something totally unrelated to medicine or science.
3. I'm glad I had my summers free before medical school. Yeah, it's extra time, but I think I would've burnt out earlier if I had to do summer classes to complete the BS part. I did one summer of summer classes in college and I really enjoyed having my other summers off to do other things (research, volunteer, work and save $, etc).
4. I'm glad I had more medical school options (though you can always drop out of the BS/MD program and apply elsewhere).
5. I'm glad I had 2 more years of life experience/maturity under my belt as a third year. People always told me I was "mature" for my age, but I know I would've been a lot more awkward and self-conscious 2 or 3 years ago. I know a lot of this character growth had to do with the rigor of going through med school itself, but also to do with the experiences I outlined above, and just getting older and accumulating more life experience in general in my personal life.
6. Echoing 22031 Alum - the summer I did take summer classes, I happened to do it with mostly BS/MD students in the class. (I went to a different college regularly than the one I was taking summer classes at, b/c it was cheaper to take the extra classes at a state school closer to home.) Maybe it was just because it was their first semester and it was the summer but a lot of them were very immature, like people were literally throwing things in class. My friend who went there also said they were always really awkward during the year. I don't want to generalize, could just be this school, etc. (and I had some friends in the program too so it wasn't everyone there, either) and I know most other countries do medicine like this so clearly there have to be some mature, socialized people who go into medicine at a younger age! That just turned me off to the program.
7. I am one of those people who has always known what I want to do, and I would've been fine in a BS/MD program. I think this is rare, though. Even I had doubts (right around college decision time), so in the end it worked out that I was able to have that flexibility and not be locked in either way until I came back around to medicine. All of my friends in med school have doubted their decision at one point or another. Committing at 18 is huge, though it does work for some.
 
I have never wished that I did a combined BS/MD (for many of the reasons already mentioned here), but I do sometimes wish I had known about assured acceptance programs back when I was applying for college.

I case these haven't been mentioned in this thread yet, they are basically programs that allow you to complete college as normal (in 4 years) and promise you a spot in that university's medical school once you graduate, as long as you meet certain GPA requirements. No need to send out applications. No need to take the MCAT. And, if you end up being a premed superstar, you are still allowed to apply to other programs, with the caveat that you forfeit your guaranteed acceptance.

I wasn't sold on medicine back when I was a high school student, but I think it helps to know that programs like these exist. They may not make training any shorter, but they would certainly make application season less stressful.
 
I think some doctors might say that in retrospect they would have done it. As a doctor, (hopefully) you enjoy what you do and could only wish you got there sooner. But from the perspective of a high schooler, going a BS (or BA)/ MD route is a gamble. I don't think many high schoolers can be sure they'd enjoy the career, most just haven't seen enough of it yet. Also, whats to say their interests might not change the first year or two of college?

Another perspective I've heard from a few doctors is that the people they know who went the accelerated route are socially stunted. Obviously it's just an observation/opinion but I'd believe it. There is a certain type of person who chooses to go to an accelerated program, and the stress of stuffing 4 years of undergrad into ~2 years will not help a person mature - at least in my opinion. Three of my close friends went to BS/MD programs and all of them took a year off before medical school because it was all going too fast. So really they only gained one year - just doesn't seem worth it to me.
Obviously everyone has a different opinion, but here's my two cents.
 
In reference to the "college experience", do you actually think you would have had more fun partying as a broke college kid then you will have partying after residency as a younger than average physician? As a guy who didn't know he wanted to do medicine until his fourth year of college and is two years older than most of his peers, I'd give anything to be four years ahead of where I am right now.
 
I was totally badass enough...then I screwed around aimlessly in college and dropped out so I could wait 10yrs before going back to school. What a colossal waste

Man, I know this feeling. I busted my ass in high school. A couple buddies of mine with very similar GPA/SAT/ECs got into University of Miami and BU BS/MD 7 year programs. They are just beginning their residencies, and here I am just considering beginning a postbacc to apply in 2+ years if I'm lucky. But that's nobody's fault but mine.

I guess I knew deep down that I wasn't ready for any sort of accelerated program. And having been such a grind in high school I was looking forward to the "college experience." But life is longer than college, and the "college experience" is not worth it if it leads to you screwing yourself for your post-college years.

I decided I was gonna be premed. I even posted on here back in the day under a long-lost name, in anticipation of college and advice on premed. And I just...got so distracted. Strict parents, study study study in high school. I let loose, and hard. Half-assed lab reports, skipped classes to nurse hangovers. After first semester, I was ready to take another crack at it, but a smart advisor suggested cutting my losses-"drop out of premed to salvage your GPA-it'll keep your non-medicine options open and a postbacc will only take a couple years if you still want to go to med school."

I looked toward the future, but the discipline I had as a high schooler eluded me. I had somehow become less mature, less disciplined. My work ethic and motivation had not grown in proportion to the increased demands of college. Took until my junior year to really mature, and even then I considered dropping out of school to become a chef. Was talked out of it, began an application to join the Marines. Even talked to a recruiter a couple times before family and friends talked me out of it. Went to law school because I was scared and didn't know what else to do. Hated it. Miserable three years. Practice beats law school, but I still dislike it, and I'm tired of taking the path of least resistance. I've done it for too long.

I think your perception of time affects you more as a nontrad. My friends who started straight out of college, or 1-2 years out due to SMPs or research jobs bemoaned "losing" their 20s. But at least they knew what they wanted straight out of the gate. In terms of the work I have to do, I'm basically a college sophomore all over again. I want to do it, but sometimes that gets to me. I lost time because I was lazy and aimless. But I'm clinically depressed so don't let me bring you down.

That being said, while I wish my road to medicine had been shorter, it's who I am. It's done. I wish it didn't take me longer than most to truly mature, but what am I going to do about it?
 
Man, I know this feeling. I busted my ass in high school. A couple buddies of mine with very similar GPA/SAT/ECs got into University of Miami and BU BS/MD 7 year programs. They are just beginning their residencies, and here I am just considering beginning a postbacc to apply in 2+ years if I'm lucky. But that's nobody's fault but mine.

I guess I knew deep down that I wasn't ready for any sort of accelerated program. And having been such a grind in high school I was looking forward to the "college experience." But life is longer than college, and the "college experience" is not worth it if it leads to you screwing yourself for your post-college years.

I decided I was gonna be premed. I even posted on here back in the day under a long-lost name, in anticipation of college and advice on premed. And I just...got so distracted. Strict parents, study study study in high school. I let loose, and hard. Half-assed lab reports, skipped classes to nurse hangovers. After first semester, I was ready to take another crack at it, but a smart advisor suggested cutting my losses-"drop out of premed to salvage your GPA-it'll keep your non-medicine options open and a postbacc will only take a couple years if you still want to go to med school."

I looked toward the future, but the discipline I had as a high schooler eluded me. I had somehow become less mature, less disciplined. My work ethic and motivation had not grown in proportion to the increased demands of college. Took until my junior year to really mature, and even then I considered dropping out of school to become a chef. Was talked out of it, began an application to join the Marines. Even talked to a recruiter a couple times before family and friends talked me out of it. Went to law school because I was scared and didn't know what else to do. Hated it. Miserable three years. Practice beats law school, but I still dislike it, and I'm tired of taking the path of least resistance. I've done it for too long.

I think your perception of time affects you more as a nontrad. My friends who started straight out of college, or 1-2 years out due to SMPs or research jobs bemoaned "losing" their 20s. But at least they knew what they wanted straight out of the gate. In terms of the work I have to do, I'm basically a college sophomore all over again. I want to do it, but sometimes that gets to me. I lost time because I was lazy and aimless. But I'm clinically depressed so don't let me bring you down.

That being said, while I wish my road to medicine had been shorter, it's who I am. It's done. I wish it didn't take me longer than most to truly mature, but what am I going to do about it?

Inspirational.
 
Dead serious man. 🙂 Good luck on your journey.

Thanks man. Same to you. I was in a bit of a funk this afternoon, didn't mean to overdramatize my situation. Everyone has their own issues, and some people have overcome hardships that I can't even imagine to become doctors. It is comforting to remember we are not so special-any issue you can imagine, someone else has overcome it. If you will it, it is no dream!
 
If I had known in high school how competitive medicine was I would have done the BA to MD program or something else. I applied a few years ago and had high GPA years of volunteer experience with slightly below average MCAT at 28 and was rejected post interview at state school and waitlisted from OOS school. I was a 4.0 hs student and assumed I was smart enough for medicine but I now know it’s incredibly competitive and there aren’t guarantees for admission. Getting in comes down to luck or living in the right state or being persistent. Being good at ochem isn’t enough to get in
 
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