will having myotonic dystrophy affect my aspirations to be a dentist

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Myotonic dystrophy runs in my family. My father has it and one of my 2 brothers has it. I am interested in pursuing dentistry however i worry that i may develop the disease (which would obviously affect my ability to work as a dentist). What do you guys think i should do? getting a genetic test may affect my insurance, and even if it said i did carry the gene, there is a chance it wouldn't be too severe
 
Myotonic dystrophy runs in my family. My father has it and one of my 2 brothers has it. I am interested in pursuing dentistry however i worry that i may develop the disease (which would obviously affect my ability to work as a dentist). What do you guys think i should do? getting a genetic test may affect my insurance, and even if it said i did carry the gene, there is a chance it wouldn't be too severe
Do you think you’ll be able to work enough years to pay off your student loans, buy a moderately priced house, and be able to keep your budget within your means? If so, then I say go ahead and try for dentistry. If/when you get to the point you can’t practice dentistry you can always be an instructor at one of the dental schools. So your education won’t be wasted.
I’m an older person and if I get into the 2018 cycle I’ll graduate at age 50. I don’t plan on living in a mansion, or driving a sports car, but I plan on working long enough to pay off my loans, buy a house, and save a little money in the bank.
If you keep your goals realistic I think you’ll do fine.
 
Ya thats a tough call to make. My dad for instance, didn't develop symptoms until he was around 30 and they didn't get overly severe until he turned 40. My brother on the other hand is 27 and already has moderate to severe symptoms. With that being said, my brother was already expressing particular phenotypes attributed to the disease when he was my age (19) so i think its safe to say if i were to inherit the disease, it wouldn't be as severe as my brothers.
 
Myotonic dystrophy runs in my family. My father has it and one of my 2 brothers has it. I am interested in pursuing dentistry however i worry that i may develop the disease (which would obviously affect my ability to work as a dentist). What do you guys think i should do? getting a genetic test may affect my insurance, and even if it said i did carry the gene, there is a chance it wouldn't be too severe
The benefit of the genetic testing might outweigh the cost if the only downside of testing is the insurance issue. As you know, there's a good chance that you'll have it since it is autosomal dominant.

From what I recall, the onset of myotonic dystrophy is early adulthood, and the symptoms usually start distally--i.e., with your hands. Thus, you might find yourself having to retire from practice before you pay off your student loans (which would be very hard to pay off in an alternative career, unless you could get public service loan forgiveness for working at a university). But the biggest risk, in my opinion, is that you could potentially find yourself in the financially CATASTROPHIC situation of starting dental school but being unable to graduate. In that case, you'd have hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and no way to pay it off.
Ya thats a tough call to make. My dad for instance, didn't develop symptoms until he was around 30 and they didn't get overly severe until he turned 40. My brother on the other hand is 27 and already has moderate to severe symptoms. With that being said, my brother was already expressing particular phenotypes attributed to the disease when he was my age (19) so i think its safe to say if i were to inherit the disease, it wouldn't be as severe as my brothers.
Yes, you're probably right (that's called an anticipation inheritance pattern, right?), but even mild dystrophy in your hands could be a problem. However, I obviously don't know enough to give specific advice.

Would it be more reasonable to work towards med school instead? considering the less need for precise motor skills?
Yes. But if you really prefer dentistry over medicine, maybe you should get the genetic testing before making that decision. There might be ways for you to get it done confidentially...genetic counselors may be sympathetic to the dilemma you're in.
 
The benefit of the genetic testing might outweigh the cost if the only downside of testing is the insurance issue. As you know, there's a good chance that you'll have it since it is autosomal dominant.

From what I recall, the onset of myotonic dystrophy is early adulthood, and the symptoms usually start distally--i.e., with your hands. Thus, you might find yourself having to retire from practice before you pay off your student loans (which would be very hard to pay off in an alternative career, unless you could get public service loan forgiveness for working at a university). But the biggest risk, in my opinion, is that you could potentially find yourself in the financially CATASTROPHIC situation of starting dental school but being unable to graduate. In that case, you'd have hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and no way to pay it off.

Yes, you're probably right (that's called an anticipation inheritance pattern, right?), but even mild dystrophy in your hands could be a problem. However, I obviously don't know enough to give specific advice.


Yes. But if you really prefer dentistry over medicine, maybe you should get the genetic testing before making that decision. There might be ways for you to get it done confidentially...genetic counselors may be sympathetic to the dilemma you're in.

Ya those are good points. I think it's clear now that i should get genetic testing done before i make any decision.
 
The benefit of the genetic testing might outweigh the cost if the only downside of testing is the insurance issue. As you know, there's a good chance that you'll have it since it is autosomal dominant.

From what I recall, the onset of myotonic dystrophy is early adulthood, and the symptoms usually start distally--i.e., with your hands. Thus, you might find yourself having to retire from practice before you pay off your student loans (which would be very hard to pay off in an alternative career, unless you could get public service loan forgiveness for working at a university). But the biggest risk, in my opinion, is that you could potentially find yourself in the financially CATASTROPHIC situation of starting dental school but being unable to graduate. In that case, you'd have hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and no way to pay it off.

Yes, you're probably right (that's called an anticipation inheritance pattern, right?), but even mild dystrophy in your hands could be a problem. However, I obviously don't know enough to give specific advice.


Yes. But if you really prefer dentistry over medicine, maybe you should get the genetic testing before making that decision. There might be ways for you to get it done confidentially...genetic counselors may be sympathetic to the dilemma you're in.
Student loans are forgiven in the case of disability. The amount forgiven might depend on the level of disability and ability to work somewhere else. If you become fully disabled, then the full amount is forgiven
 
Student loans are forgiven in the case of disability. The amount forgiven might depend on the level of disability and ability to work somewhere else. If you become fully disabled, then the full amount is forgiven
Yes, but the applicable federal loan programs operationalize a really narrow definition of "total and permanent disability:"

Your physician must certify that you are unable to engage in any substantial gainful activity by reason of a medically determinable physical or mental impairment that, can be expected to result in death, has lasted for a continuous period of not less than 60 months, or can be expected to last for a continuous period of not less than 60 months.

Total and Permanent Disability Discharge


The policy is not intended to be an effective safety net. There's a reason people associate it with "discharge due to death." (This is why it is important for anyone with significant student debt to seek good disability insurance.) If OP were to develop myotonic dystrophy, he would still be able to engage in "substantial gainful activity" for the rest of his life, even if he were unable to do dentistry. The policy's definition of disability has no regard for your ability to work in the field for which you took out educational loans.

However, I suppose private loans could be discharged in the way you describe (depending on the policy, of course). Might be worth looking into, @needhelp101
 
Yes, but the applicable federal loan programs operationalize a really narrow definition of "total and permanent disability:"

Your physician must certify that you are unable to engage in any substantial gainful activity by reason of a medically determinable physical or mental impairment that, can be expected to result in death, has lasted for a continuous period of not less than 60 months, or can be expected to last for a continuous period of not less than 60 months.

Total and Permanent Disability Discharge


The policy is not intended to be an effective safety net. There's a reason people associate it with "discharge due to death." (This is why it is important for anyone with significant student debt to seek good disability insurance.) If OP were to develop myotonic dystrophy, he would still be able to engage in "substantial gainful activity" for the rest of his life, even if he were unable to do dentistry. The policy's definition of disability has no regard for your ability to work in the field for which you took out educational loans.

However, I suppose private loans could be discharged in the way you describe (depending on the policy, of course). Might be worth looking into, @needhelp101

If you meet this definition of disability, there are strict limits on what you can earn after you discharge the loans. It's a hair more than $16K in most states but I'm unclear if they only monitor your income for 3 years or longer. The amount of loans discharged is also reported and the website says you must plan to pay taxes on it. You also can't take out new student loans. I have been a dentist for many years and am going through this process now due to total disability expected to last more than 5 years. I would be worried about your ability to get disability insurance in your case and do some more research into that. Disability insurance is what saved me in this process and my loans are not even close to what students are taking out these days.
 
Rules might have changed, but
Full disability does not mean conditions close to death, depression for example
Full amount of loans is forgiven
Monitoring period is 3 years
You can take student loan after 3 years
During the monitoring period you can’t make more then a poverty level for your state
No tax on a discharged amount
Not everything is found on the internet, networking is more helpful at times
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. So do you think i should look more into how getting a test done will affect my ability to get disability insurance?
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. So do you think i should look more into how getting a test done will affect my ability to get disability insurance?
You should not go into this career, if you don’t expect to practice for at least 20 years or if you are independently wealthy
 
I can only tell you what I would do. I would go to a cheap school and graduate maybe 400k in debt (disgusting, I know). Then, live on 20k a year or some tragic sht like that and pay off my debt in 5 years. Im talking make 150k a year working your ass off and servicing your debt. After that? Work 3 days a week making 80-100k and going to a massage therapist 3x a week for the rest of my life. If the pain gets too intense for the 3x a week? Become a teacher and teach dentistry. Too intense after that? Dental radiologist working in a hospital or something.
 
I can only tell you what I would do. I would go to a cheap school and graduate maybe 400k in debt (disgusting, I know). Then, live on 20k a year or some tragic sht like that and pay off my debt in 5 years. Im talking make 150k a year working your ass off and servicing your debt. After that? Work 3 days a week making 80-100k and going to a massage therapist 3x a week for the rest of my life. If the pain gets too intense for the 3x a week? Become a teacher and teach dentistry. Too intense after that? Dental radiologist working in a hospital or something.
150K is not “work your ass off “ ,try 400K
 
I was going to suggest technical? insurance; but I don't think they would cover pre-existing conditions.
 
You think its possible for a new grad to work his ass off and make 400k?
Absolutely. But I mostly referred to a sum of 150K and working ass off.
In my opinion 150K are made by working at a comfortable pace
 
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Absolutely. But I mostly referred to a sum of 150K and working ass off.
In my opinion 150K are made by working at a comfortable pace

Really? I honestly thought the cap the first year was roughly 150k. This being that you are seeing patients at a slow rate and not doing implants or the $$$ milkers yet. What do u think the realistic upper range first year salary would be?
 
Really? I honestly thought the cap the first year was roughly 150k. This being that you are seeing patients at a slow rate and not doing implants or the $$$ milkers yet. What do u think the realistic upper range first year salary would be?
The times of working slowly first few years are over. You simply can’t afford to with loans like they are now. So you have to be prepared with knowledge and skills right after graduation, maybe a year of GPR. You should be able to work normally after a month or less. Implants are too much responsibility for a new grad, but average bread and butter items should pose no problems.
Your income depends on how well you are able to perform
 
The times of working slowly first few years are over. You simply can’t afford to with loans like they are now. So you have to be prepared with knowledge and skills right after graduation, maybe a year of GPR. You should be able to work normally after a month or less. Implants are too much responsibility for a new grad, but average bread and butter items should pose no problems.
Your income depends on how well you are able to perform

But from asking around, most places that take new grads give you less patients like 10 a day compared to 20ish for a few months. Also, the max range is rarely higher than 150k for the first year after grad. And honestly this is speaking to dozens of dental students and dentists. Im really curious what you think new grads can make (rare 6day workweeks in nowhere, alaska aside).
 
But from asking around, most places that take new grads give you less patients like 10 a day compared to 20ish for a few months. Also, the max range is rarely higher than 150k for the first year after grad. And honestly this is speaking to dozens of dental students and dentists. Im really curious what you think new grads can make (rare 6day workweeks in nowhere, alaska aside).
I see no reason to call it "work your ass off".
 
Of course new grad can make much more then 150K, but you have to make an effort
If you strive to be average then income is going to be average
 
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