Will I stand out enough to compensate for a mediocre GPA

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I discovered this forum today and wanted to see what some people with more experience thought. I am a Biochemistry/Bible double major currently preaching full time. I'm 19 about to enter my 3rd year with enough hours to be classified a senior after graduating from high school a year early. I am very involved with the Social clubs and professional clubs at the school I attend and spend a ton of time visiting the sick and the nursing homes. I am involved in foreign missions. But, my GPA will be around a 3.3 after this semester because last semester I was hospitalized and missed a week of classes (review week for finals). If I can score in the mid 30's on my MCAT and get my GPA to around a 3.4-3.5 will I be competitive?
 
Ahhh, Colts fan, I see. My enemy. Just kidding.
For your question, I suppose so. Also, hoping to score in the mid-30s is a big if. You won't know untill you have at least taken some practice tests. Also, you are on the young side.
Maybe you should cut out some ECs and focus on your studies from now on.
 
Medical schools are not really going to care that you graduated high school a year early, or that you double majored. It will look nice that you are volunteering; however you need clinical experience to be competitive. From what you listed you do not stand out, and are about your average applicant. You are on the right track and could become competitive with a couple meaningful experiences. So in addition to clinical experience, mid 30 MCAT, apply broadly, and everything else that you listed, I believe that you will get some interviews. Good luck.
 
I have been doing fairly well on the MCAT review stuff I have done. Averaging around 28ish w/o taking a true orgo or Biochem class. I would have around a 3.6 if I hadn't made a D in an analytical class... I had a high B going into the final but missed key points on the review. Would retaking this class be worth it? I also had a #1 song on the internet charts... would that be any interest to admissions lol.
 
I have been doing fairly well on the MCAT review stuff I have done. Averaging around 28ish w/o taking a true orgo or Biochem class. I would have around a 3.6 if I hadn't made a D in an analytical class... I had a high B going into the final but missed key points on the review. Would retaking this class be worth it? I also had a #1 song on the internet charts... would that be any interest to admissions lol.

I'd say retake the D. That should help your GPA some as AMCAS will average the scores. Possibly, what song? 😛
 
I discovered this forum today and wanted to see what some people with more experience thought. I am a Biochemistry/Bible double major currently preaching full time. I'm 19 about to enter my 3rd year with enough hours to be classified a senior after graduating from high school a year early. I am very involved with the Social clubs and professional clubs at the school I attend and spend a ton of time visiting the sick and the nursing homes. I am involved in foreign missions. But, my GPA will be around a 3.3 after this semester because last semester I was hospitalized and missed a week of classes (review week for finals). If I can score in the mid 30's on my MCAT and get my GPA to around a 3.4-3.5 will I be competitive?

Med schools get as many as 10,000 applications for 150 spots, so they expect everything to be solid. There should be no expectation that one strong stat can make up for a bad one -- the whole sliding scale notion is one created by premeds and doesn't really fly for adcoms. I agree with the prior poster who said graduating early will not be regarded as a positive, nor will double majoring. The dude who has a single major, takes 4 years and gets A's has a much better stat for adcoms than the one who finishes in 3 years with a dual major and a B+ average, sorry. Your ECs will all look good, but you MUST get some clinical exposure. Look at it as a prerequisite for medical school. If you haven't gotten out there and volunteered or worked, or at least significantly shadowed in a medical setting, you won't be looked at seriously by med schools. Visiting nursing homes probably won't count, unless you are visiting them with a physician to provide care. Nor should you feel like you are ready to launch into a career, without having really researched what doctors do all day. Seeing it from a patient perspective, while perhaps good to talk about in a PS (although it has been done to death), does not count. Having family members in the field doesn't count. Actually getting out there and spending the time working with doctors in a hospital, and getting direct patient exposure in a health care, not convalescent context, is what counts. because adcoms want to make sure you know what you are getting into, and not end up one of the rare first year casualties who realizes, after $40k in loans, that medicine isn't for them, or what they thought it was going to be. You have to look before you leap, on this road.

So you need to spend the time both to do a decent amount of health related ECs, and to pull your GPA up, and to study more for the MCAT. Getting a 28ish on practice tests is meaningless, because many people hit a wall around that number. Until you are scoring mid 30s on multiple, full length tests, you have no business talking about scoring mid 30s. And actually most people tend to score within 3 points, plus OR MINUS what they are scoring on full length practice tests. So you might really be tracking to score a 25 at this point. Most people who come onto SDN and say "assume" I score mid 30s don't do close to that target. Don't become one of those statistics. Assume nothing, until you get that score report.

My suggestion would be not to graduate early and to spend the time you need pulling that GPA up and studying like a maniac for the MCAT, and spend a few hours/week getting the clinical experience you desperately need. The average these days is a 3.6/30 and you are kind of tracking to come in short of that right now. So you have some work to do. You can get there, and your interesting background will help. But you must must must get the requisite clinical exposure or you won't make it, and once you get that exposure you might decide you don't even want this path.
 
I'm sorry I wasn't exactly clear. I'll have the hours to be a senior this next year, but I still plan to graduate class of 11. My senior year I will be done with most of my hard classes (biochem, ect) and will be focusing on my bible major, which I have a 3.87 GPA in. I also plan to spend time my senior year shadowing at a near by hospital, and possibly spend the summer before volunteering in a clinic. I've devoted one to two hours a night to MCAT studying before I take it next April.
 
I'm sorry I wasn't exactly clear. I'll have the hours to be a senior this next year, but I still plan to graduate class of 11. My senior year I will be done with most of my hard classes (biochem, ect) and will be focusing on my bible major, which I have a 3.87 GPA in. I also plan to spend time my senior year shadowing at a near by hospital, and possibly spend the summer before volunteering in a clinic. I've devoted one to two hours a night to MCAT studying before I take it next April.

If you want to enter medical school the year after you graduate, you're gonna need to do the shadowing and such before your senior year. You'd turn in your application the summer after your junior year, so you need to get that stuff in before you apply. If you only start volunteering the summer that you apply, it may raise some flags. It will look like you realized you forgot something and hurried to get it done. Yeah, we all do it to get into to medical school, but generally people do it for a more long term period.
 
Visiting nursing homes probably won't count, unless you are visiting them with a physician to provide care.

How about if you are helping the RNs in the nursing facility to provide care. Would that count as clinical experience?
 
Visiting nursing homes probably won't count, unless you are visiting them with a physician to provide care.
LizzyM: "if you're close enough to smell patients, that's clinical"
 
Yes, I attend a Christian school studying the Bible as a second major. I thought it might be unique and I receive a preaching scholarship from my congregation because of it.
 

LizzyM: "if you're close enough to smell patients, that's clinical"

Well, her statement assumes you also are able to observe what the doctors are doing. So no, I don't think this is the right context to take her statement. A good clinical exposure involves working with physicians seeing patients. So it doesn't count if you just hang out with a physician without any patient interaction, and it doesn't count to just see patients without physician interaction.
 
How about if you are helping the RNs in the nursing facility to provide care. Would that count as clinical experience?

See my comment above. I'd say not really, because it doesn't let you see what physicians do, so it won't really help you as much in knowing what you are getting yourself into. Just getting clinical exposure without also helping yourself by seeing the career firsthand is really just dotting the "i" without crossing the "t". I'd say not enough by itself.
 
Is there any particular method to go around asking for opportunities to shadow? I just moved so I don't really have family physician at the moment. Are there any Hospitals in the Cookeville, TN area that offer this kind of clinical experience.
 
Well, her statement assumes you also are able to observe what the doctors are doing. So no, I don't think this is the right context to take her statement. A good clinical exposure involves working with physicians seeing patients. So it doesn't count if you just hang out with a physician without any patient interaction, and it doesn't count to just see patients without physician interaction.

No, it does not! I've seen applicants who've provided hospice services, counseling and HIV testing and all sorts of other experiences with patients that do not include physicians. They are still clinical experiences. While it is helpful to have had some observation of physicians at work, a clinical experience can still be a clinical experience without the presence of a physician.
 
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