Will Steve Hahn be fired?

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President Trump will fire the FDA Commissioner before the election

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 16.7%

  • No

    Votes: 24 40.0%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • Who cares?

    Votes: 24 40.0%
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Steve is a board-certified Radiation Oncologist...germane...OK but what else we gonna do?
 
Not before steve helps lobby for the proton APM exception in the works! Then our field welcomes him back with open arms. Thank you for saving protons, daddy
 
RickyScott said:
Steve should be trying his best to get fired. Only way to resurrect his career.
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It largely depends on whether Trump remembers that he was trying to ram through a vaccine before Election Day.
 
thecarbonionangle said:
Not before steve helps lobby for the proton APM exception in the works! Then our field welcomes him back with open arms. Thank you for saving protons, daddy
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The only thing I gotta say 'bout that is protons have been lurking in the womb of this rule for 1-2 years. And Steve ain't done diddly squat in that time. Now the baby is essentially 99% of the way out of the birthing canal...
 
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scarbrtj said:
The only thing I gotta say 'bout that is protons have been lurking in the womb of this rule for 1-2 years. And Steve ain't done diddly squat in that time. Now the baby is essentially 99% of the way out of the birthing canal...
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steve hahn is a late term abortion kind of guy,you’re saying!?
 
thecarbonionangle said:
Not before steve helps lobby for the proton APM exception in the works! Then our field welcomes him back with open arms. Thank you for saving protons, daddy
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thecarbonionangle said:
Absolutely. You will see him at ASTRO next yr
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Interviewing for chair jobs? Nah. If Steve works as a radiation oncologist again his time at the FDA was wasted. Management at pharma? Consulting/lobbying? Maybe. Chair of a radonc department? Why?
 
Doctorer said:
Interviewing for chair jobs? Nah. If Steve works as a radiation oncologist again his time at the FDA was wasted. Management at pharma? Consulting/lobbying? Maybe. Chair of a radonc department? Why?
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The guy could write his ticket anywhere.

He can sit in a throne as an overpaid chair somewhere or just get on the pharma teet or lobbying. Guy has better career prospects than I ever will.
 
I feel bad for the guy. Probably had some dreams about raising the bar for clinical trials, being the first rad onc to have the position, and raising the status of rad onc then COVID + Poltics just punched him in the face.

Relative Risk vs Absolute Risk? Eh Tomato Tomatoe Potato Potatoe, right?
 
Nah...

No one in the right mind will hire him.
Maybe Evilcore will hire him.
 
Mandelin Rain said:
NEJM just pummeled this whole sorry administration. I think he’ll be a bit of a pariah around the university circuit.
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45 managed to make everything political when he went anti science it seems. Good read


That being said, i think Hahn is safe wrt his current position

www.wsj.com

White House Agrees to FDA’s Guidelines for Vetting Covid-19 Vaccines

The White House endorsed the Food and Drug Administration’s plans for assessing whether a Covid-19 vaccine should be given widely, casting aside objections to requirements that would likely mean a shot won’t be cleared until after Election Day, people familiar with the matter said.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
 
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NEJM showing their liberal bias. When will the sheeple wake up and realize that science is just leftist propaganda?

I wish Hahn had been put in a better situation. I would have actually liked to see someone in our specialty succeed in such a prominent role. Unfortunately his tenure will not be looked upon fondly.
 
medgator said:
45 managed to make everything political when he went anti science it seems. Good read


That being said, i think Hahn is safe wrt his current position

www.wsj.com

White House Agrees to FDA’s Guidelines for Vetting Covid-19 Vaccines

The White House endorsed the Food and Drug Administration’s plans for assessing whether a Covid-19 vaccine should be given widely, casting aside objections to requirements that would likely mean a shot won’t be cleared until after Election Day, people familiar with the matter said.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
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"Hahn's reputation in America has entered Hospice care..." - NEJM
 
radOresident said:
NEJM showing their liberal bias. When will the sheeple wake up and realize that science is just leftist propaganda?

I wish Hahn had been put in a better situation. I would have actually liked to see someone in our specialty succeed in such a prominent role. Unfortunately his tenure will not be looked upon fondly.
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How was Hahn even remotely qualified for the job? like if I decided to be a neurosurgeon tomorrow, wouldn’t work out for pts when it came time to operate..
www.statnews.com

As Covid-19 pressures mount, political newcomer Stephen Hahn struggles to protect an FDA under siege

With almost no institutional knowledge behind him, FDA experts worry Hahn is flying blind, leaving the agency flailing despite its vital role in the effort to control the spread of Covid-19.
www.statnews.com www.statnews.com

According to interviews with current and former agency officials, the challenge has been especially complicated because more than any recent commissioner, Hahn has surrounded himself with an insular cadre of advisers, none of whom has significant experience in FDA leadership. A slew of high-level FDA experts have also departed the agency since its former commissioner, Scott Gottlieb, left in early 2019.
 
RickyScott said:
How was Hahn even remotely qualified for the job? like if I decided to be a neurosurgeon tomorrow, wouldn’t work out for pts when it came time to operate..
www.statnews.com

As Covid-19 pressures mount, political newcomer Stephen Hahn struggles to protect an FDA under siege

With almost no institutional knowledge behind him, FDA experts worry Hahn is flying blind, leaving the agency flailing despite its vital role in the effort to control the spread of Covid-19.
www.statnews.com www.statnews.com

According to interviews with current and former agency officials, the challenge has been especially complicated because more than any recent commissioner, Hahn has surrounded himself with an insular cadre of advisers, none of whom has significant experience in FDA leadership. A slew of high-level FDA experts have also departed the agency since its former commissioner, Scott Gottlieb, left in early 2019.
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Classic Peter Principle? I mean how often have we seen this in academic institutions, or really, any sort of company/organization/etc? We see it often in our own environments, but I guess it's rare for us to recognize it on this scale.

By all accounts Hahn seems well-liked in Oncology circles (as much as anyone in leadership can be liked), and he had the appropriate political proclivities...so why not?

It is REALLY unfortunate he came in to this political crisis and global pandemic. I know I, like many RadOncs, was very excited to have "one of us" in such a high profile role.

I know 2020 has been bad for everyone, but sheesh, what a dark year for RadOnc. COVID and the resultant decrease in patient volumes, Hahn pulling his shenanigans, APM announced on September 18th...can we tap out yet? I personally heard of two practices who shut down their hiring search in recent weeks as a result of this stuff.
 
elementaryschooleconomics said:
I know 2020 has been bad for everyone, but sheesh, what a dark year for RadOnc. COVID and the resultant decrease in patient volumes, Hahn pulling his shenanigans, APM announced on September 18th...can we tap out yet? I personally heard of two practices who shut down their hiring search in recent weeks as a result of this stuff.
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We also stopped hiring because of Hahn’s shenanigans. Being fully staffed had nothing to do with it btw.
 
Will Hahn be on the panel for Astros next “masterclass” in leadership. Can you imagine who would attend it?
 
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Chartreuse Wombat said:
I can imagine. Sycophantic medical students, residents and junior faculty hoping for a bump
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i predict Steve Hahn will be welcomed with open arms by a significant portion (The majority?) of our field within 6 months.

memories of unethical behavior and putting himself before the lives of literally millions of Americans will be short.

but the desire for status, power, and advancement within our small field is huge and that should be obvious to anyone who’s worked closely with any of the “big wigs” or wannabes.

this man should rightly be a pariah for what he’s done. So selfish. So dishonest. So harmful.

shame to anyone who associates with him and rationalizes it away. But it will happen.

I just hope that this board can call out the disgusting self serving individuals who go down that path. I predict a significant number of the vomitous twitteratti.

if these real ethical issues (as opposed to contrived ethics conundrums that somehow get editorials) ever make it to ROHub it will be hilarious to see the censorship that ensues.

will we get editorials or proper guidance from Jagsi and Fumiyoko and other ethical “leaders”’in our field? I predict not. No opportunity for advancement (now that NEJM has already covered Hahn’s reputation all demise outside our field).

shame shame shame

can we please bring back the pillorying and town square stocks for these fools?

hopefully I’m wrong... 🙁
 
I think the Hahn Trump crony donor stuff and his poor performance, willingness to lie and fudge, confusion about RR vs AR, incompetence was just the nail in coffin for the public perception of our field. Oftentimes, trailblazers wether racial or minorities or gender or new category often have to be twice as good to be successful. Unfortunately, he was not even a fourth and thats a great example of priviledge. He will leave with tail in between his legs and be welcome back by the cronies, gaslighters, fudgers who “lead our field” as one of their own. Unfortunately, the public perception leaves lasting damage.
 
thecarbonionangle said:
incompetence was just the nail in coffin for the public perception of our field... Unfortunately, the public perception leaves lasting damage.
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Not looking forward to brief future interaction/discussion we're all bound to experience one day, especially with another MD: "Nice to meet you. Oh you're a radiation oncologist? Wasn't that Hahn FDA guy a radiation oncologist?" My plan is to go "Oh, no; he was actually a medical oncologist who later just did some brief radiation training" and then put my cell phone to my ear and go "sorry, daughter's calling, catch up with you in a sec" and hope they get confused and forget any followup questions.
 


Pretty reassuring interview between Dr. Topol and Hahn. Topol gives the highlights in the tweet thread. Seems like Hahn is redeemed
 
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RollTideRadOnc said:
Let me translate this:

“Lickspittle social climber, unqualified for position for which he paid with hefty campaign contributions, turns on his vile boss as soon as he realizes Trump will likely lose election.”
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Who isn't, these days.... Guess some people needed to see it up close before deciding to take action
 
How telling is it that Azar still has a job, when this is his issue with Stevie boy:

" The discussions come amid deep frustration with Hahn over his insistence that a Covid-19 vaccine meet strict safety standards — a contentious decision that rendered it impossible for President Donald Trump to fulfill his oft-expressed desire for a vaccine just before Election Day. "

I'm on Team Hahn again. At least I'm siding with Hahn if its vs Azar and Trump. Standing up for science and safety - seems he was shamed by Eric Topol and his gaffe about risk reduction enough to potentially regain some testicular fortitude.... or maybe he is low-key planning to get fired to salvage a reputation.
 
If “dear leader” wins, there is expected to be a bloodbath of firings which include FBI director, FDA, Fauci, Barr.
 
thecarbonionangle said:
If “dear leader” wins, there is expected to be a bloodbath of firings which include FBI director, FDA, Fauci, Barr.
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QAnon can start letting us know when the chlorox infusions will start
 
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