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No, because the Chinese & Russian governments are (presently) far more able to suppress free speech and scientific findings compared to western governments. Please let me get in line to say that it is the citizens' responsibility to hold governments to account on such matters.By the way, anyone willing to take the Chinese or Russian covid vaccine? I.e., do you view them as equally safe and efficacious as Western developed vaccines as they claim they are?
It is hilarious the Chinese can inject one MILLION people and have zero adverse reactions reported. Real trustworthy
China slips in COVID-19 vaccine race on doubts over effectiveness
Xi made inoculation diplomacy a key part of global strategy
Nearly 1 million people have received inoculations, the company said Nov. 18, up from 350,000 in September. Inoculations of individuals such as employees of state-owned companies have nearly tripled over the past two months.
Several such employees reported being inoculated in September but that Sinopharm made no attempt to contact them.
This raises questions about the effort being made to check on the health of people receiving a vaccine under development. Normally such contact would occur right after inoculation, as well as six months to a year later.
"After close to 1 million inoculations, there has not been a single adverse reaction," Sinopharm Chairman Liu Jingzhen said in a statement Nov. 18.
Russia announces positive COVID-vaccine results from controversial trial
Developers of the Sputnik V vaccine announce phase III results, two days after Pfizer and BioNTech released the first compelling evidence that a vaccine can protect against coronavirus infection.
Developers of the Sputnik V vaccine announce phase III results, two days after Pfizer and BioNTech released the first compelling evidence that a vaccine can protect against coronavirus infection.
The Sputnik V trial’s protocol has not been made public, in contrast to those of Pfizer and some other leading candidates in phase III trials
I'd even take it (needlessly) if it got us one step closer to ending the stupidity. I'm skeptical though, that a lot of the nonsense is going away any time soon even with a vaccine.
I do wonder what percent of the population would need to get the vaccine before we start getting back to normal. In an average year, just shy of 50% of the US gets the flu vaccine. That seems like a reasonable goal.
Did I miss the part in microbiology where malaria and HIV are airborne?
Oh, so private businesses in the Soviet Union did that?
So you're going to commit fraud against a private business? Not very libertarian of you.
You mean HIV multi-drug regimens that when taken as prescribed give HIV-infected patients a normal life expectancy? You mean the chloroquine-resistant malaria that has at least 4 other treatment options?
That sucks. Here in my part of SC we have no-order-needed no-cost tests with 24h turn around. I got tested last Wednesday around 930am, had my result Thursday by 8am.
I also will be declining an mRNA vaccine, as well as my medical spouse. Im curious about the mRNA tech and hope it works wonders for those who get it, but definitely don’t want to be an early adopter. The idea that I’m turning my body into a spike protein production plant is quite unsettling and i hope novavax gets quick approval on their more traditional vaccine so I can monitor the mRNA safety data collected from the more brave and trusting volunteers.
In 2019 Malaria resulted in 5 deaths in the US.
You mean like the virus does naturally?
Yeah I thought about bringing that point up as well, but it did seem a bit off topic (though I agree with you that it's a concern).
I’m not opposed to the new tech by any means.
I didn't answer, because I don't know.
In this case the benefit will mostly be psychological, as well as legal rather than medical. People will feel safer with a vaccine, and businesses will be less worried about litigation. The actual benefit to lives is questionable, depending on how many people have already contracted the virus.
So do you assume that, somehow, magically, the 30K or so people included in (for example) the Moderna study magically didn't contract the virus (sub-clinically) prior to participation, but that everyone else outside of those 30K has been exposed?
And that...again, somehow magically...the placebo arm had more higher risk exposures and less prior exposure than the study arm?
In my view this is not a difficult question.
Vaccinate the high risk elderly folks and those with comorbidities only. Mass vaccinate the rest of the population once the new vaccines are proven safe over a few years.
Just look at the data...COVID Infection fatal rate of children and younger adults to age 49 is rounding down to ZERO. Influenza is FAR deadlier than covid for these age groups overall.
COVID Infection Fatality Rates by Sex and Age
A new paper attempts to create the best estimate for the COVID infection-fatality rate (IFR), which answers the question, "If I get sick, what is the chance that I will die?" Beware: The virus discriminates.www.acsh.org
I have a good dozen HIV patients in my practice. Not much TB or malaria because, again, those are quite rare in the US (9000 cases and 2000 cases/year respectively). I'd guess maybe 5 cases combined over the last 10 years.
So before I really get into this, let me make sure I understand you correctly.
Took me years to learn how to say it.
Then wouldn't the tens of thousands of us who enrolled in the trial and are several months-out be the early adopters?
Yes I understand, and I’m actually sorry to have subjected others to it. I just couldn’t process it and thought it was on topic with the thread.
You don’t require proof of other vaccines? I remember during the cert process I had to get titers for hepatitis and measles / mumps, and had to get a booster for one of those.
What does experience have to do with anything? We're talking pure numbers and science here. I've never intubated or pronounced a COVID patient but that doesn't make my analysis of the data any less valid.
Fair enough.
