william beaumont and wayne state

[ResidentMD]

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Can someone please comment on how good these Michigan programs are with regard to stability, strength of clinical training and fellowship prospects?

 

[jimmybee]

I went to WSU for medical school and graduated 4 years ago. I did a sub-I at Beaumont in internal medicine and really loved it. I ended up going out of state for residency, but I regretted not ranking Beaumont higher. At the time, I was scared off by the idea of a community hospital training, but after going through a tertiary center and now out in private practice, I would have benefitted more through Beaumont. Especially since I had no inclination to be a specialist.

The downside of Beaumont is that they always fill with a lot of IMGs. But, I will say, the hospital is a palace, you get treated really well there, and there is enough overflow of indegent patients from Detroit to learn. They have a 98% IM board pass rate over the last three years.

WSU is your typical tertiary care training facility. You will work hard and hopefully you have enough time to read. Great for specialties, but probably don't need to go there if you are going to do primary care. Their board pass rate for the last 3 years is 90%.

 

[ResidentMD]

I went to WSU for medical school and graduated 4 years ago. I did a sub-I at Beaumont in internal medicine and really loved it. I ended up going out of state for residency, but I regretted not ranking Beaumont higher. At the time, I was scared off by the idea of a community hospital training, but after going through a tertiary center and now out in private practice, I would have benefitted more through Beaumont. Especially since I had no inclination to be a specialist.

The downside of Beaumont is that they always fill with a lot of IMGs. But, I will say, the hospital is a palace, you get treated really well there, and there is enough overflow of indegent patients from Detroit to learn. They have a 98% IM board pass rate over the last three years.

WSU is your typical tertiary care training facility. You will work hard and hopefully you have enough time to read. Great for specialties, but probably don't need to go there if you are going to do primary care. Their board pass rate for the last 3 years is 90%.

Awesome. Couple of questions -

1. How is Beaumont for someone who wants to do a subspecialty later on? Any idea on its reputation for fellowships nationally?
2. Would the constant issues between WSU and DMC have any effect on the residency program?

 

[PirateHotel]

The provisional contract between WSU and DMC are set to expire soon. Is there any indication on what has happened or will happen to IM?

From the law-firm representing residents (2006): http://www.articlealley.com/article_969640_18.html


What I know is that there is a new PD and their accreditation is good until 2011 - with the next site visit coming in 2014.

 

[.edu-MD]

WSU and Henry Ford have signed a letter of intent to look into the possibility of strengthening their relationship. There was a press release to this effect a couple of weeks ago. Not much substance at this point since all they're saying is they are going to begin talking. Whether they're serious or it's just another shot to rile up DMC (or both) is anyone's guess. I something does materialize, I suppose there might be the possibility that WSU and Ford combine IM residencies and DMC moves to sole sponsoring theirs, or anything else you could dream up. I don't like the question marks here.

Beaumont is fiscally strained much like other health systems across the region. The opening of their medical school with OU has been delayed a year. The residents in the IM program are very nice and were great to get along with when I rotated through there as a 3rd year student. They were on a q5 overnight call schedule with team call (each team being a senior, couple interns, sub-I, and MS3), so you cross-covered outside your team when on call (as opposed to call being rotated within your team and cross-covering only patients other members of your team are covering). I don't know about fellowship placements.

 

[ResidentMD]

WSU and Henry Ford have signed a letter of intent to look into the possibility of strengthening their relationship. There was a press release to this effect a couple of weeks ago. Not much substance at this point since all they're saying is they are going to begin talking. Whether they're serious or it's just another shot to rile up DMC (or both) is anyone's guess. I something does materialize, I suppose there might be the possibility that WSU and Ford combine IM residencies and DMC moves to sole sponsoring theirs, or anything else you could dream up. I don't like the question marks here.

If this were to happen, it would be rather awesome. Having heard of the patient population at Henry Ford and the possibility of research therein, I have always hoped for a medical school to be attached to it.

If things start materializing and you get more details, please post it here 🙂. Thanks!

 

[adam6]

1. How is Beaumont for someone who wants to do a subspecialty later on? Any idea on its reputation for fellowships nationally?

I had a nice interview experience at Beaumont but ultimately decided to stay in Chicago-area for residency.

This is from their website re:fellowships. Keep in mind that they have a number of in-house fellowship programs. While these programs probably would not propel you to the heights of academia, they would probably give good clinical training. Their cards division is well respected.

2001-2007 Fellowship Attainment

Allergy and Immunology (2 Graduates)

1 Henry Ford Hospital
1 University of Mississippi

Cardiology (16 Graduates)
9 William Beaumont Hospital
2 Albert Einstein (Philadelphia)
1 Tulane
1 Michigan State University
1 Henry Ford Hospital
1 Medical College of Virginia
1 Scripps Medical Clinic

Endocrinology (5 Graduates)
1 Mayo Clinic
1 Henry Ford Hospital
1 University of Michigan
1 Wayne State University
1 Emory University

Gastroenterology (8 Graduates)
6 William Beaumont Hospital
1 Mayo Clinic
1 Providence Hospital

Geriatrics (2 Graduates)
2 William Beaumont Hospital

Hematology-Oncology (13 Graduates)
8 William Beaumont Hospital
1 University of Illinois
2 Mayo Clinic
1 Indiana University
1 Emory University

Infectious Diseases (6 Graduates)
4 William Beaumont Hospital
1 Rush-Presbyterian
1 Wake Forest University

Nephrology (9 Graduates)
1 University of Missouri
1 Ohio State University
1 University of Michigan
1 Indiana University
1 University of Louisville
1 Albert Einstein (N.Y.)
1 SUNY Brooklyn
1 Henry Ford Hospital
1 St. John Hospital

Palliative Care Medicine (1 Graduate)
1 Case Western Reserve

Pulmonary-Critical Care (3 Graduates)
1 University of Chicago
1 Mayo Clinic
1 Loyola University

 

[PirateHotel]

If this were to happen, it would be rather awesome. Having heard of the patient population at Henry Ford and the possibility of research therein, I have always hoped for a medical school to be attached to it.

A radical shift of hospital affiliations in the middle of residency would be a serious drawback. I would rate WSU IM combining with HF IM as a low probability event though.

I don't know the full details of the dispute between WSU and DMC. Perhaps someone in the know can fill me in. What I do know is that it's about money and it has been going on for a long time.

 

[.edu-MD]

A radical shift of hospital affiliations in the middle of residency would be a serious drawback. I would rate WSU IM combining with HF IM as a low probability event though.

I could see Wayne and HF establishing a joint IM program (which would basically just be switching the existing HF IM program from sole-sponsored to joint-sponsored). Then Wayne can keep the Wayne-DMC IM program too, unless DMC decides it doesn't like that and wants to sole-sponsor. This would seem to be the least disruptive route for current residents since there wouldn't be any switching of hospital sites, just academic affiliations. We'll see what develops.