Wine investing

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buy wine to drink, not as an investment. Can it go up? Sure. It could also go sideways or down for decades.
 
Problem with wine “investing” is you have a sweet spot for when it’s worth anything (that is, drinkable). After that it becomes largely a collectors item and those sorts of wines us plebeians aren’t easily able to get ahold of in the first place.

Seriously though, try a >15 year wine from your parents house. Nasty.
 
somedumbDO said:
Anyone else doing this? I love wine investing.... i bought 2011 / 2016 porto; 2015 left Bank, 2016 right Bank Bordeaux best returns more than stock market... got a Cellar up 35%... in 3 yrs anyone else ???
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Are you actually selling them? If not, you’re just aging wine.
 
I actually buy a decent amount of wine, but never thought of it as an investment. At least not a financial one. I like drinking old wine, so I either have to BUY old wine, which is expensive, or buy young wine and wait.
 
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AdmiralChz said:
Seriously though, try a >15 year wine from your parents house. Nasty.
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Most of my wines are >15y/o
 
Unless you have access to highly allocated flippable wines at original prices it is pretty difficult in practice. A local wine merchant runs a wine fund with a couple of high rollers. I know better to expect to buy a hard to get wine like Masseto from him because his wine fund is going to flip it.
 
Nope.
Unless its a Vieux Carre... Gotta love some benedictine and Antica in your wine. Otherwise it's worthless.
 
AdmiralChz said:
Problem with wine “investing” is you have a sweet spot for when it’s worth anything (that is, drinkable). After that it becomes largely a collectors item and those sorts of wines us plebeians aren’t easily able to get ahold of in the first place.

Seriously though, try a >15 year wine from your parents house. Nasty.
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Ever tried a 15 yr old burg from the cote d or? Or a good vintage First Growth Bordeaux ? Amzazing...

TimesNewRoman said:
Are you actually selling them? If not, you’re just aging wine.
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I buy en preimer for french stuff..... sold some most too early.
 
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I thought the whole purpose of the wine industry was to sell their casks to the Scotch industry so they could make some delicious finished whiskies.

Seems like a reasonable thing to collect, but I’m not sure I would treat it as an “investment.” Aren’t counterfeit wines a pretty big problem? My college roommate’s dad had a big wine cellar and he used to fill fancy bottles of wine up with boxed wine to serve to guests. He would get compliments all night long about how good the wine was.
 
If one wants to “invest” in wine you should just open up or buy a Wine shop.

somedumbDO said:
Ever tried a 15 yr old burg from the cote d or? Or a good vintage First Growth Bordeaux ? Amzazing...
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Nope. But the 15 year old Robert Mondavi at my parents tasted like A$$ juice. As would most normal wines people have lying around. My N of 1....
 
GravelRider said:
I thought the whole purpose of the wine industry was to sell their casks to the Scotch industry so they could make some delicious finished whiskies.

Seems like a reasonable thing to collect, but I’m not sure I would treat it as an “investment.” Aren’t counterfeit wines a pretty big problem? My college roommate’s dad had a big wine cellar and he used to fill fancy bottles of wine up with boxed wine to serve to guests. He would get compliments all night long about how good the wine was.
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There are a lot of fakes, takes a while to appreciated wine nuances. I agree the lay public is not wine savvy. I can tell difference between cork taint, aged secondary characteristics, what ages well. Not everyone can, it helps that my father grew up in southern France and knows wine industry. I buy a bunch of wine direct en premier that gives a great discount. I as of late 2010, gotten into wines, and have benefited from his expertise and contacts.

But it’s almost guaranteed income if you know weather and chateaus, 2017 ok vintage and low volume, 2018 is shaping up to be a great year and 2019 all froze.
 
Getting a liquor license in Illinois is awful unless you bribe an alderman. And staffing it a nightmare, employees suck.
 
somedumbDO said:
There are a lot of fakes, takes a while to appreciated wine nuances. I agree the lay public is not wine savvy. I can tell difference between cork taint, aged secondary characteristics, what ages well. Not everyone can, it helps that my father grew up in southern France and knows wine industry. I buy a bunch of wine direct en premier that gives a great discount. I as of late 2010, gotten into wines, and have benefited from his expertise and contacts.

But it’s almost guaranteed income if you know weather and chateaus, 2017 ok vintage and low volume, 2018 is shaping up to be a great year and 2019 all froze.
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While I'd like to think my palate is about the same, the scientific evidence suggests our expectations and the setting are what makes the difference in the taste.
 
Wine is a terrible investment. Just ask Francis Ford Coppola. He had to make Godfather Part III just to pay his debts.

Bottom line: Investing in wine will lead to your career’s version of The Godfather Part III.
 
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