You're nothing but another self-righteous med student who thinks he knows anything even remotely related to med school. Your "insight" as a med student on this matter isn't any more valuable than anyone else's. Get off your privileged, crippled horse.
And lol at the brownosing part; you were every bit just as pathetic as any other premed during your med school interviews, dying to make a good lasting impression, trying to get all the questions right, etc. Don't act like you never "brownosed" an adcom member. Please.
are you suggesting that i, a third year, knows
nothing even remotely related to med school? my horse is very privileged but certainly not crippled.
and it may be hard for you to believe since you lack the
insight ;-) but some of us just make a good impression without tripping over ourselves
Saying that going to Carib was a bad idea doesn't equate "bashing" Carib students. Agreeing with Goro that Carib students are looked down upon as a general rule in the application process doesn't equate "bashing" Carib students. Get real and quit being so uptight.
indeed it doesn't, but i'm not the one who admitted that he was bashing carib students, which apparently is a justified activity that requires no explanation. Agent B isn't only saying it's a bad idea to go to the carib. also, saying something is a bad idea is a far cry from what's going on here.
We'd be doing a great disservice to OP by falsely encouraging him and patting him on the back saying "No problem! You'll be just fine!" when he really isn't going to be. His efforts are to be applauded, but there's no mistaking that he made a poor choice by going to Carib knowing/not knowing what the current situation is like here in the States (i.e., any bottom of class DO >>> top of class Carib). There's no sugercoating the cold, hard truth if we actually want to give OP the advice he was looking for ITT.
there's no arguing this, but it's not what we're trying to impress upon you. this discussion isn't about the carib but agent b's attitude which you may or may not share, which is expounded upon a little later.
I think part of why people look down on Caribbean MDs is that there are much better ways to give yourself a second chance... and many of them do not require the residency gamble that is inherent in a Caribbean MD. It looks a little lazy and hurried to me if someone can't bother to spend a couple of years doing research/taking classes/doing a post-bacc/considering DO etc.
... I have very intelligent and capable friends in the Caribbean, and I still wonder how they came to the decision to just pack up and leave without considering other possibilities.
not everyone has the benefit of good premedical advice. tons of premed advisors will push carib onto their more marginal students and the students will accept that advice. and frankly, why wouldn't they? their brochures are glossy and convincing, and who would a rational person believe? prevailing advice on an anonymous forum, or their PhD advisor? now, we all know that plenty of advisors are full of **** and that sdn in general has good truthful information, but that's only because the who med school process is fcked and irrational. again, i'm not justifying caribbean as a route, as a whole they're a bunch of scumbags peddling dreams their "schools" can't cash, but their students by and large are just trying to be doctors
Right because us arrogant premeds are making stuff up from our ***. This is a well-established fact that the students who are going overseas are making a terrible move. This is addressed countless times by adcoms and residents/attendings. While you good-hearted med students show very deep empathy for your overseas counterparts, program directors will ensure that IMGs won't return to the US (except the few crappy ones where AMGs won't dare taking them). An FMG has a stronger chance to practice in the US than an IMG.
Regardless of whatever reason that motivated students to go overseas, once you step your foot out, you're last in line to get back in. Why would you forgive someone who went somewhere overseas when they were warned several times not to go there? Redemption? No. there are better ways to be redeemed.
This exactly. There is nothing more to be said.
And for the med students miraculously switching sides and condoning the idea of going overseas, believing in redemption... Well there are better ways to redeem themselves.
Now in OP's case, he made a smart recovery tactic by trying to withdraw from Caribbean and clearing out his record, so OP is in better shape (especially for DO schools). However, the US MDs can be a bit merciless though. Still, I respect people like OP realizing their mistakes and trying to escape from the overseas hellhole, but sadly, they are required to report these schools in their application.
do you even hear yourself?
I (irrelevant I know but at least an adcom endorsed the sentiment) tend to be pretty unforgiving to students who ignore warnings that are meant to help them out and expecting forgiveness because they "redeemed" themselves.
Although being merciless in OP's case is a bit farfetched because I actually think OP naively made his decision and wants to avoid the future damage... Naivete can be deadly.
I agree I am being a bit harsh since the IMGs are suffering from the consequences. But it's a way to dissuade others from following the path.
I'll respond to you in bulk here. The problem with you, and sdn premeds like you, is that in large part all you have are heuristics handed down to you - they're shadows on the walls of your cave. Which is fine in and of itself - that's what we all have to work with. But you simply don't have the
insight to know that the exact same statement coming from a person who's been in practice for decades, whose responsibility is safely staffing a ward, and that coming from teen/young adult whose interaction with medicine largely comes from an internet forum is inherently different. The latter is overzealous in belief in these rules of thumb without the benefit of experience and/or maturity to temper them realistically. There is little nuance to your understanding by necessity. You, Agent B, fall in this category. I've seen you go from timid high schooler to boastful preacher of the sdn gospel in a small matter of years and it's an incredibly sad statement on the human experience etc blah blah. I too have fallen into this trap many times but I dug myself out. If you could stop foaming at the mouth to step back for a second hopefully you'll see the
incredible hubris you are showing through your posts. You tend to be pretty unforgiving of IMGs?
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Who the hell is asking for your forgiveness? It's not a coincidence that the medical students in this thread both find your statements ridiculous. It's easy to be arrogant when you don't have skin in this game yet. There's no way you, Agent B, won't get in somewhere right? You're such a wise knowledgeable snowflake and all. But we saw the arbitrariness of admissions. We see now that a guy who barely clawed in at the last moment is whipping our asses up and down the court from preclinicals all the way to Step 1 and the wards. We see these "last in line" carib students working their asses off on the wards in Sub-Is and shining. Things aren't so black and white in the real world.
TL;DR summary:
SIMMER IT DOWN A BIT YOU LOOK RIDICULOUS AND ARROGANT. you're not inherently better than caribbean students in the same way i'm not inherently better than you for being a medical student. just more
insightful ;-)
ps. wtf happened to this forum? it's crazy looking
