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Next month I'll be doing a rotation in Clinical Path at my top (and very competitive) choice for residency. I'm starting to get a little nervous, I have very little experience with CP. Can anyone give me some advice as to what to expect, how to make myself appear an impressive candidate who will stand out, etc? :scared:
Thanks a lot!
 
dopath said:
Next month I'll be doing a rotation in Clinical Path at my top (and very competitive) choice for residency. I'm starting to get a little nervous, I have very little experience with CP. Can anyone give me some advice as to what to expect, how to make myself appear an impressive candidate who will stand out, etc? :scared:
Thanks a lot!
1. Be easy to get along with.
2. Be easy to get along with.
3. Be easy to get along with.
4. Act interested...if you like asking questions, do that...but...
5. Don't be obnoxious and ask so many questions that you can be seen as annoying.
6. Don't be obnoxious and try to stand out too much.
7. In CP, people do quite a bit of presentations. If you're given the opportunity give even a short talk, do a kickass job on it.
8. Express your interest in pathology and in the program.
 
Thanks, I think I can handle that. Anyone else have a 2 cents?
 
From seeing medical students rotating through our Path department, and observing reactions of residents and faculty, I think a lot of making a good impression is what you DON'T do rather than what you do. Don't make enemies. Don't be inappropriate, obnoxious, aggressive or lazy.

If your CP rotation is anything like how mine was, you won't do much of anything, except learn which machines do what. Residents spend these rotations reading and catching up on their autopsy paperwork, so you might find yourself with nothing to do. It will be difficult to not look lazy then, so I agree to kick butt on a presentation if you have the chance.
 
dopath said:
Thanks, I think I can handle that. Anyone else have a 2 cents?

In some aspects, it's probably a good idea to remember that YOU need to check THEM out as much as they will be checking you out. It's important to keep an open eye open for interactions. See how the residents get along with:
1. Eachother (are there clicks? how competitive are they?)
2. You (before and after you express your interest in the program)
3. Support staff
4. Faculty (do the residents try to emulate the faculty, is this a good thing?)
and
5. Others that may be rotating but not interested in their program

Also, if your exposure is only with the clinical faculty/residents, realize that it may be a slightly different experience than if you were rotating with the AP faculty/residents.

Good luck, relax and be yourself as it is the only way you will truely know if you mesh there.
 
Try to prove you're one of the boys by taking some jabs at those wankers in AP.
 
Show enthusiasm about getting to do things (although I'm not sure how much you will "do" on CP). I've seen visiting students (supposedly interested in path) show little enthusiasm, which the residents notice and word gets out, and then *poof* there goes your shot.
Good luck.
 
1. Be laid back and friendly, smile a lot, show you're having fun. People like positive people. Thank people for their help/time. This goes a LONG way.
2. Show interest in the material at hand. One of the cool things about path is that we are all constantly learning. You should have some kind of intellectual curiosity, or at least the good sense to act like you are there to learn. If someone suggests a learning opportunity for you, for God's sake, take them up on it.
3. Don't be overly political and/or aggressive. It's cool to arrange a meeting or two with the bigwigs (chair, PD) but there's nothing more obnoxious than a student who kisses ass to the attendings and blows off the residents. You'll spend the majority of your time with your fellow residents, not attendings, so it pays to get to know them. Plus, they often have a say in the ranklist!
4. Don't ask a million questions about your application, your chances of matching there, etc. It only makes you look neurotic, and is annoying. But do ask questions about the program. It's a good time to find out whether you would really want to end up there for a minimum of 4 years.
 
Don't act like you know more than everyone else. People hate that. If you do know more than anyone else, then fine, but as a med student no one wants to hear your expertise. Do ask questions and be interested.
 
Geez, everyone! I really appreciate the advice, but my god, do people really come in to your programs acting like the asses you are trying to tell me not to be?! Just curious. Again, thanks for all the replies!! 😛
 
dopath said:
Geez, everyone! I really appreciate the advice, but my god, do people really come in to your programs acting like the asses you are trying to tell me not to be?! Just curious. Again, thanks for all the replies!! 😛
I don't think these students are actually asses - they probably just don't realize how their behavior is being perceived by others. I've seen an array of poor medical student etiquette, most of which I can forgive, as long as they are enthusiastic about getting involved and learning. If they can't even manage that, though, as UCSFBound said, it's pretty much the kiss of death because nothing rubs an overworked resident the wrong way like laziness/disinterestedness.
 
I think for many of us who go into pathology, once we finish med school we are looking forward to getting away from the gunners and the asswipers (as well as the opposite - the people who are doing a path rotation because it's "a nice break."). Pathology is quite often a nice sanctuary, so any return of gunner-ish traits or slackers can set off the alarms.
 
If you're a lazy medical student, don't be seen as lazy. Disappear. Make everyone think you're somewhere else doing something.

dopath said:
Geez, everyone! I really appreciate the advice, but my god, do people really come in to your programs acting like the asses you are trying to tell me not to be?! Just curious. Again, thanks for all the replies!!
Actually, the med students we've had so far have been good. Well, lemme qualify that...the group of students we had in August were awesome. They weren't annoying. But they were genuinely interested in learning stuff and were willing to do stuff (although we didn't expect them to do so). We have several students rotating this month but I've been really busy so I haven't gotten the chance to get to really know them. They seem cool though...and I haven't heard any complaints. So I guess it's fair to say that this bunch is cool too.

Med students can be annoying or perceived as lazy especially if there are no structured activities for them. If they are simply told to attend signout and then just hang with a resident during the rest of the day, the med student is in a tight situation...go too far and you're seen as annoying...do a little less and you're seen as lazy. It's quite unfortunate.

Here, med students have structured activities throughout the day and go through cases directly with fellows and attendings at the multiheaded scope. So they have plenty to do, and they probably learn a hell of a lot more than I did when I did my path rotation.
 
I had my Dean's Letter appt today and finally got to see my clinical grades and comments. I have all passes in clinical rotations (which is totally fine with me - I am not trying for honors). But I generally have pretty good comments.

The thing that got to me was I had a pass in my surg path elective and absolutely NO comments whatsoever. I can't believe that someone who knows I am going into path couldn't even take the time to write a comment. It really sticks out. I'm disappointed to just get a pass too - I actually worked really hard on that rotation and felt like I did well.

Of course, with SDN OCD tendencies, I am feeling worried that this is why I am not hearing from programs. 😳 Anybody else experience something similar with their path elective?
 
Whoever it is probably gives a standard pass grade to everyone. I wouldn't worry about it, but at the same time it is kind of annoying. Did you get a letter from someone when you did this elective? Because if you did, that basically would replace the grade anyway.

I agree, no comments, that is pathetic. Obviously someone who cares deeply about education and the next generation of pathologists.
 
yaah said:
Did you get a letter from someone when you did this elective? Because if you did, that basically would replace the grade anyway.

Hey yaah,

Thanks for your wisdom. 👍 Yeah, I did get a letter from one of the other pathologists. I didn't really think of that. Hopefully it is a good one!
 
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