working as a military veterinarian?

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.

speedi toitle

New Member
10+ Year Member
Joined
Nov 26, 2009
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
Does anyone have any experience working as a veterinarian in the military or knowledge of what the job entails? Not much information is available except for the official recruiting material that the Army puts online. So far all I've gathered is that a lot of military vets do health inspections for chow halls, but I was wondering how much of the job that entails vs. working with military dogs or doing research etc. Obviously anything put out by recruiters is going to paint the most exciting picture possible. Any helpful hints would be appreciated.

Members don't see this ad.
 
I know one military vet because she comes to the ACUC meetings with us, but thats all I know about her job. She works in the National Naval Medical Center across from NIH in bethesda. She is nice though so if you're interested I can ask our vet for her email/phone number if you'd like to contact her. PM me if you're interested
 
We have one military vet who came to speak to us that works for the Navy's Marine Mammal Program. They train dolphins and sea lions to search the ocean bottom for mines and things. Interestingly (and awesomely), this vet was also the first person to successfully anesthetize a dolphin.
 
Members don't see this ad :)
I've heard mixed things. I've heard that if you go into it knowing of a specific project that you want to work on, it's not bad.
 
Ok, this is my second shot at this - bloody internet likes to log me off while I'm "inactive" for a while.
I worked with an Army vet in '92, '98, and now (sort of). This is based off of my most recent discussions and pertains to Army vets only.
There are two major types of vets in the Army - TDA and MTOE. TDA vets are the ones who run clinics for privately owned animals, provide health care to government owned animals (Military Working Dogs, ceremonial horses, etc), and conduct inspections of food service and food storage areas. This side of the house has to deal with budget considerations, much like a civilian clinic. Most large installations have at least one vet. This vet covers down on smaller installations. This is more common overseas - the UK had 2 vets assigned to it in 1992. The last vet I worked with used to be responsible for the bulk of western Europe.
MTOE vets are not assigned to a clinic and work like a regular Army unit. They are the ones who conduct field operations and deploy to a variety of locations. When deployed, they provide the same services as a TDA vet, minus the privately owned animals portion. The vet I currently work with is responsible for all of the Anbar province.
All vets are required to specialize at some point in their career. The Army gets a number of slots in various residencies around the country every year. Vets compete for these slots. If you stay in a clinical specialty, you'll most likely stay in a TDA or MTOE unit throughout your career. If you go into a specialty like pathology, you can get assigned to a research facility, like Walter Reed or Ft. Sam Houston.
The benefits are varied. Pay for a vet with under 2 years of service is around $60K. Pay raises come every Jan 1 (usually 3%, depending on the political climate) and every two years on your anniversary (Army type, not marriage). Vets make $100/month professional pay. Just to put that into perspective, I get $150/month to jump out of airplanes. You also get a non-taxable allowance for food and housing. Housing allowance is dependent upon location. Medical for you is included and for your family comes out to about $30 a month or so. You get $450K life insurance for $29/month. You also get 30 days of paid vacation a year, not to mention all federal holidays, most weekends, and the various "training holidays" here and there. We average no more than 4 5-day work weeks at a stretch.
If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me. I'll take them to the current vet. Right now, I'm trading network and computer services for vet experience and steaks.
 
How is it determined whether you go into the TDA or MTOE programs? And what do they each stand for? Any guesstimate on what percentage of time is spent on clinic stuff vs. inspections?
 
Armymutt25A thanks for all that information! I'd been asking a few of my cousins for information as they work in the medical corps but they are all human doctors and didn't know much. I've been considering going the Army route since I want to be a vet, but my husband is concerned that it would be very different from working as a civilian. With that in mind I've got a few more specific questions for you:

how much time would you say you spend/spent doing inspections vs. working clinically?
what sort of work do you do routinely?
how do assignments work for your MOS?
How frequent are deployments and how long are they in your experience?
Have you gotten to do any humanitarian missions, and if so what were they like?
What would you consider the most challenging part of working for the Army, and the most rewarding?
How many people in your field stay in for twenty?
I've heard that the Army is the only branch that has veterinarians and they provide services to all the other branches-is this true?

To give you a little background on myself I currently work as a forecaster in the AF, and so know a little bit about how the military functions (though my knowledge about the Army is minimal). I graduated last year from UC Davis with a degree in Animal Science & Management and was originally planning to take a year off and build my experience before applying to vet school. However, since the economy in Sacramento was pretty bad and my husband didn't have health insurance I couldn't afford to do that and so enlisted instead. My cousin suggested that I request to be released from my contract early in order to pursue a commission in the Army, though I'm not sure how that would work given that I do not currently hold a veterinary degree. I'm trying to figure out how to get more pre-vet experience since I currently work a panama schedule but I am not sure who would be willing to work with me on such a strange schedule. I've just started working on a masters in public health since to take advantage of the tuition assistance program, but I'm not sure how vet school admissions boards will look at this since it is a non-traditional degree. Again, thank you for all the information you're passing along. If you're ever passing through Hickam I will buy you a steak!
 
Last edited:
How is it determined whether you go into the TDA or MTOE programs?

This is what I was wondering. I assume the state-side, TDA programs are more desired. Do you go in as an MTOE and then apply/compete for a TDA? Is a TDA lower paying?
 
I'm going to try to answer these in one post.
MTOE vs TDA: MTOE stands for Modified Table of Organization and Equipment. These are set up like most Army units. Vets are the officer in charge of a squad with approx 6 to 8 enlisted soldiers. So far, the mix has been 1 vet tech and the rest food inspectors, in my experience. TDA stands for Table of Distribution and Allowances. They run fixed sites. Much more clinically focused. As far as where you get assigned, it's up to the needs of the Army (a term that will become very familiar in an Army career). Basically, they send you where they need you with a little input from you. You have to keep in mind that the Army is a mission focused organization. Vets play a role in keeping the force healthy. As a result, food inspection is one of the main missions. That's not to say there isn't a heavy clinical or research aspect, but it doesn't make up the bulk of the force. As far as privately owned animals are concerned, they take a back seat to anything military related.

"what sort of work do you do routinely?" - once again, this depends on your assignment. If in an MTOE unit, they do a lot of normal soldier things. As an officer, you can expect to be pretty bored unless you're going to the field. The vet that just left worked in his battalion's operations section where he planned field exercises. A lot of it seems to be trying to figure out how to get your people the training they need.

"how do assignments work for your MOS?" Not sure exactly what you're asking. All basic vets have the same MOS. Assignments are based on needs of the Army and your rank. Some jobs are captain jobs, others are major jobs.

"How frequent are deployments and how long are they in your experience?" Ok, this one I can answer solidly! The Army has stated that it does not want to deploy anyone longer than 12 months. That's the goal. This is also based on needs of the Army. The last unit was here for 12 months (Dec 08 to Nov 09). The new one will probably be here a little longer for reasons I can't discuss here. These are characteristics of deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. These are getting fewer and fewer. There are special units that deploy in 3 month periods to a variety of places outside the two major theaters of operations. There are units that routinely go to South America, The Philipines, and the Horn of Africa.

Have you gotten to do any humanitarian missions, and if so what were they like? Neither of the vets I've worked with have done a humanitarian mission. Personally, I've held a VETCAP (veterinary civil assistance program) at the outpost I had in southern Iraq. Like all the other unofficial HA stuff I did, it was fun and rewarding. I'm hoping that I can describe it well on my application.🙂

"What would you consider the most challenging part of working for the Army, and the most rewarding?" For me, the most challenging part about the Army is getting up in the morning to go to work. Of course, I've been doing this for 8 years, I'm on my third year long deployment to Iraq, and in a job I dislike, so take that with a grain of salt. To be honest, there aren't really any great challenges, just a lot of little ones. There are schools that are challenging. As a vet, if you are offered Airborne or Air Assault schools, you should jump on them. The first is a major physical challenge because you are always moving. The second is much more mentally challenging - there is a lot to memorize. Neither has any issue with booting you out for the smallest problems. The biggest rewards come from seeing your soldiers succeed on their own. When you get them trained to the point where you can simply give them a task, purpose, and end state and have them accomplish it without any further guidance, it makes you beam with pride.

"How many people in your field stay in for twenty?" I'll have to ask about this one, but from my limited talked with the last vet and some of my observations, it seems to be on par with the rest of the officer corps. It's a very personal thing. Some people only come in to get school paid for and have no intention of staying longer. Others intend to make it a career from the start. Many females decide to get out once they start having children. These days, it pays to keep an eye on the political arena when deciding on staying in. Retirement benefits keep being eroded.


"I've heard that the Army is the only branch that has veterinarians and they provide services to all the other branches-is this true?" The Army is the only branch that provides clinical services. I know the AF has vets, but from my experience, they are focused on public health. As one of my neighbors said, AF vets study STDs. Not sure how true that is, but was enough to keep me green.

One nice thing about the Army is that there is a lot of variety. If I get into vet school, I hope to eventually get assigned to a special operations unit. I think I would be a good match for this community based on my experience. I spent 5 years as an enlisted infantryman in the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault). I crossed the border in 2003 in a Blackhawk helicopter and spent the next year patrolling Mosul, Iraq. I went to OCS in 2005 and was commissioned a Signal Officer. I was assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division where I deployed to the southern desert of Iraq in 2007. I was placed in command of a small outpost in a farming community where I established security, built rapport with the local nationals, and cultivated friendships that allowed us to leave that area due to the improved security situation. I'm now the signal officer for an artillery battalion in western Iraq where I maintain a network of computers and plan missions. It is really boring, which is why I disappear into the vet clinic when there is nothing else going on. I've spent 8 years in units where the bulk of the language would not go well in polite company. There are other units that are not combat arms where I wouldn't fit in well (or would require some major modifications to the way I tend the phrase things), and I've been told as much. Being a vet in the Army is a two fold job. You're a specialist medical professional, but you are also a leader. There are a lot of things that you'll have to deal with that you wouldn't in the civilian world, like signing for a $2 million facility. As an officer, you are responsible for the full dollar amount of any equipment that you lose, which is why we sign everything down to enlisted personnel. They only have to pay up to half a month's pay for two months. You'll have a leg up with your enlisted experience, especially if you start learning supply accountability early. Overall, I think it's a good career. I will stay for 20 even if I don't get in. If I do get in, I'll probably stick around for 25 or 30.
 
This is what I was wondering. I assume the state-side, TDA programs are more desired. Do you go in as an MTOE and then apply/compete for a TDA? Is a TDA lower paying?
These aren't programs - sorry if that was unclear. It's a classification of a unit. This will explain it in depth: click here
The only things you will compete for are promotions and specializations.
Base pay is based off time in service and rank. Housing allowance (not taxed!) is based off your location. Subsistance Allowance (not taxed!) is standard across the board for all officers.
 
Last edited:
Top