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I will see your "cut all benefits and salary" and raise you "charge employees to work". Think of the shareholder value!
Isn't having interns and residents going down that road already? 😛 There are two pharmacy schools in my city and another one 50 miles away. Could easily staff the stores with just interns around the clock, and one 'community pharmacy resident'. Oooohhh yesssss!!!!! 🙂 😛
 
where are all wag/ rite aid haters ??? this forum needs some balance 🙂
 
substitute CVS with WAGS and it will still ring true. I don't have any experience with rite aid so I'll refrain from commenting on them
 
substitute CVS with WAGS and it will still ring true. I don't have any experience with rite aid so I'll refrain from commenting on them

From my observation, quality of life at Wag seems to be better than CVS. I don't work for either two, but I know people who work for both in different parts of the country (not just particular market). Most of the people at Wags are OK with their jobs and many of them even 'love' it. Same thing doesn't apply to CVS. I have friends who work there and I also talk to local CVS pharmacists for copy. Most them are miserable. Very few people at CVS have anything good to say about the company. I find it surprising because from what I understand, Wag provides the least tech and pharmacist staffing.

I guess the reason for that as one of my Wag pharmacist friend told me is Wag's system. According to him their computer system is very efficient and so even with minimum tech help, its not impossible to get things done. Another reason is Wag doesn't follow neo-nazi metrics of CVS. You don't get written up for not filling rx in 15 mins or not answering drive-through/ phone in few seconds..
 
the drop off at Wag is very simple, all they need is someone to scan the script in and that's it. at Cvs we make ppl wait until the prescription is typed and processed through insurance and correct it if there is issue right then and there. the girl working on my shift was typing by staring at the buttons and tap one button at a time. pfff
 
I 100% agree with another poster who mentioned about the PIC trap. I am into one and they wouldn't let me step down. I even said I want to float and go part time, they just keep telling me we are think about it and working on it.. 2 months and still no decision.
Everything bad thing said in this forum is absolutely true about these blood suckers ! Worst ever company to work for!!!
 
I did a rotation at CVS and everyone wore a white coat and they would take turns taking them home to wash.
 
Really, Have you ever worked in a busy Cvs where only one pharmacist fills over 4oo scripts? Have you worked in a cvs where most doctors would just leave new scripts on the voicemails? By the time you cleared it up, it is already full with new voice mails.
You may not understand what I mean because perhaps you work in a different cvs, But for people who work in busy cvs , they may understand me. Though when you call cvs , they said message is checked every hr but it is not true

You hit the nail on the head!.. It really is the most frustrating thing in the world. I thought checking phone in 'prescriptions every hour on the hour' was a good motto... But now CVS has to of course micromanage everything. After checking 1 voicemail and hanging up only to see that damn red light flashing is really is frustrating and TIME CONSUMING, especially if you work in a busy store where time really matters.
 
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Now why would it make sense for one of largest corporations (believe its 12? 13? on the Forbes list now), or any retailer to that point, ensure that each store is properly allocated the correct number of hours?

That seems ridiculous - they must be all about their profits. Oh wait, that's right, that's because it's this thing called a business and it's purpose is to make money. Don't agree with that mentality? I'm sure your retirement plan does. Don't scramble too quickly to pull out all of your investments on companies that try to create earnings and growth for their shareholders - because I'm sure if you were smart enough to be investing in your future you'd be smart enough to understand how your money grows.

Why would such a large company employ people that are probably sitting behind the curtain analyzing exactly how many hours stores are going to get to ensure they won't take huge hits because of customer service or massive amounts of errors to pay suits out the ass that would dip into their earnings? That makes 0 sense. why would they ever want to be that smart? Oh, your store's service is horrible? Oh, you can pull a few stories of a few errors? Pity that the 80 20 rule exists and we don't hear of all the great stories but everyone will point to the chains' success of profits increasing.

"Most people don't have a great thing to say about WAGS, CVS, RAD, etc" - Guess what you probably won't find them on here because they are too busy not complaining. I believe it was the great Dr. Hatemyjob that said "Misery loves company."

I'd continue this education by providing a discussion on metrics and holding people accountable to ensure things actually get done but I'm sure some pharmacist with a heavy dose of entitlement will tell me to go shove it. I know I would absolutely wait 4 hours to check the voicemail even if the pediatricians office is down the street because I know every single patient will come straight to my pharmacy after they leave .... or they won't and they will go to the pharmacy that does.

Also talked to my friend that works at CVS - apparently you guys don't get measured on things like picking up the phone in time anymore and those voicemail metrics aren't even tied into your bonuses - love all the hype though, I would so include it if I were them. She did tell me that "KPM" (this could be wrong I can never keep up with the alphabet soup in pharmacy) is the most important and that largely has to do with adherence - mostly calls for patients that haven't filled their medication in awhile. Man, that sounds MESSED up. I sure hate adherence. Especially with all this hype around star ratings and plans looking for preferred/narrow networks, I'm sure they aren't looking to increase the odds that some pharmacist out there will actually care about patients instead of their own sense of entitlement. But don't worry I'm sure the independents can do it too - seems like all the pharmacists that loved be measured by metrics ended up there and will surely do anything they can to ensure they help satisfy the demands of the people paying the most money - the insurance plans.

Let me just check the baskets in peace man. I want to just lose money for my company, not help patients, and not be measured on how bad I do. That's why I went into the business of retail pharmacy anyway.

Maybe I should get into the business of pharmacy academia - that one sounds even more ludicrous... (Thread Derail Commence: http://www.thehonestapothecary.com/...ry-a-guest-post-by-joey-mattingly-pharmd-mba/)
 
KPM is the most important? That is news to me. 😵

Makes sense IMO ... More adherent patients = more scripts = Aligned business interests ...

But if there's a reasonable CVSer out there that can prove this wrong without referring to outdated performance metrics, I'd be happy to be informed.
 
Makes sense IMO ... More adherent patients = more scripts = Aligned business interests ...

But if there's a reasonable CVSer out there that can prove this wrong without referring to outdated performance metrics, I'd be happy to be informed.
I'll give you the star rating MedD reimbursement concern, keeping your boss happy, but I'll kindly take away the professional high ground you seek. Calling someone to pick up medication that has already received an auto call has no correlation to adherence. It's being a ninny. Some of the highest sold rates I have seen also have the lowest phone call completion. It's a number, it's government social engineering but it's not in the interest of the patient. That's the sell.
 
Makes sense IMO ... More adherent patients = more scripts = Aligned business interests ...

But if there's a reasonable CVSer out there that can prove this wrong without referring to outdated performance metrics, I'd be happy to be informed.

Just keep being a good corporate slave PharFromNormal. You're just too young too know you're being used.
 
Yes we got some people that fed the "troll corporate slave!"

I'll give you the star rating MedD reimbursement concern, keeping your boss happy, but I'll kindly take away the professional high ground you seek. Calling someone to pick up medication that has already received an auto call has no correlation to adherence. It's being a ninny. Some of the highest sold rates I have seen also have the lowest phone call completion. It's a number, it's government social engineering but it's not in the interest of the patient. That's the sell.

Let's bring it back and remember who we are talking about. You think these corporations would be willing to shell out labor allocated to making phone calls (in addition to their auto calls!) if they weren't getting an ROI?! Now why would companies, in any industry, ever test and pilot such things before releasing them to the masses? That sounds incredibly stupid. I hope I wasn't a stockholder for that company because it sounds like they have a huge opportunity to improve their operating profit if they generate more revenue if their employees work less.

You're right if a patient doesn't want to take their medication that has been prescribed to them - they shouldn't. That's their best interest to be unhealthy. "Government social engineering" woah - where are we now? Abovetopsecret? I mean you do have a point some of the star ratings are bogus - that's why we will see CMR completion rate drop.

Side note - you and all you pure clinicians should help insurance plans determine how they measure adherence. MPR and PDC are the ways that I seem to read about in the literature and you can get those from analyzing claims data which you bet your ass the big bad retail chains, PBMs, and insurance companies all do.

Just keep being a good corporate slave PharFromNormal. You're just too young too know you're being used.


Yes - I knew I would get one of the self-entitled pharmacists to respond! Success! I must be too young to have experienced when I could make any district manager crumble at their knees with the idea of me being more successful in the position that I am now. Perhaps you missed where I added the subliminal reference about academia being the most lucrative of the pharmacy businesses. Must be hard that I am not a retail pharmacist but I have benefited heavily off of understanding that the chains are very smart in what they do and I invest in them because they have the best strategy of "retailizing" healthcare. Lets take a look in the last 5 years... $WAGS = 132.58% growth, $CVS 139.85% (!) growth, and $RAD 455.04% (!!!!) growth. Putting my money into these companies doesn't make me a slave to them more like they are multiplying my money and they are slave to my retirement fund at the moment. Let's look at those growth numbers and the growth of your independents and compare cojones.

You do realize that many of these chains have pharmacists high in the ranks that practice on the same principle that you do - evidence based. If you think these corporate overlords who I worship don't want evidence before they throw millions of dollars into some new program then you clearly should remain in whatever job you are in and not be a corporate overload that is responsible for growing a business.

Oh you work in a hospital? Tell me how the consolidation of that industry is and where the black on your P&L resides. Oh you help save your institution money? Yea that's great you probably still operate inefficiently and operate in the red while "reducing costs."

Indies hate chains because they have systems to automate and metrics to enforce consistent execution. Indies also can't afford to create, develop, license or properly integrate systems to help them compete with the chains because - oh wait they don't have the earnings to reinvest into their business. I don't see the profitability of chains slowing down and I certainly don't hope they start getting stupid with how they are currently running. Abundance of pharmacists coming out of the academic system means more true corporate slaves for me to invest in.

Also - Unchained - please remove all of your investments that might be in corporations. You are more "chained" with your retirement account than you were at any retail pharmacy chain.
 
On an unrelated note, I just heard that CVS has a new no re-hire policy. If you quit, they can't hire you back. Is it everywhere?
 
Yes - I knew I would get one of the self-entitled pharmacists to respond! Success! I must be too young to have experienced when I could make any district manager crumble at their knees with the idea of me being more successful in the position that I am now. Perhaps you missed where I added the subliminal reference about academia being the most lucrative of the pharmacy businesses. Must be hard that I am not a retail pharmacist but I have benefited heavily off of understanding that the chains are very smart in what they do and I invest in them because they have the best strategy of "retailizing" healthcare. Lets take a look in the last 5 years... $WAGS = 132.58% growth, $CVS 139.85% (!) growth, and $RAD 455.04% (!!!!) growth. Putting my money into these companies doesn't make me a slave to them more like they are multiplying my money and they are slave to my retirement fund at the moment. Let's look at those growth numbers and the growth of your independents and compare cojones.

Really, there was no need to quote your portfolio. It's been a bull market the last 3-4 years. I think even a monkey could have made money.
 
Yes we got some people that fed the "troll corporate slave!"



Let's bring it back and remember who we are talking about. You think these corporations would be willing to shell out labor allocated to making phone calls (in addition to their auto calls!) if they weren't getting an ROI?! Now why would companies, in any industry, ever test and pilot such things before releasing them to the masses? That sounds incredibly stupid. I hope I wasn't a stockholder for that company because it sounds like they have a huge opportunity to improve their operating profit if they generate more revenue if their employees work less.

You're right if a patient doesn't want to take their medication that has been prescribed to them - they shouldn't. That's their best interest to be unhealthy. "Government social engineering" woah - where are we now? Abovetopsecret? I mean you do have a point some of the star ratings are bogus - that's why we will see CMR completion rate drop.

Side note - you and all you pure clinicians should help insurance plans determine how they measure adherence. MPR and PDC are the ways that I seem to read about in the literature and you can get those from analyzing claims data which you bet your ass the big bad retail chains, PBMs, and insurance companies all do.




Yes - I knew I would get one of the self-entitled pharmacists to respond! Success! I must be too young to have experienced when I could make any district manager crumble at their knees with the idea of me being more successful in the position that I am now. Perhaps you missed where I added the subliminal reference about academia being the most lucrative of the pharmacy businesses. Must be hard that I am not a retail pharmacist but I have benefited heavily off of understanding that the chains are very smart in what they do and I invest in them because they have the best strategy of "retailizing" healthcare. Lets take a look in the last 5 years... $WAGS = 132.58% growth, $CVS 139.85% (!) growth, and $RAD 455.04% (!!!!) growth. Putting my money into these companies doesn't make me a slave to them more like they are multiplying my money and they are slave to my retirement fund at the moment. Let's look at those growth numbers and the growth of your independents and compare cojones.

You do realize that many of these chains have pharmacists high in the ranks that practice on the same principle that you do - evidence based. If you think these corporate overlords who I worship don't want evidence before they throw millions of dollars into some new program then you clearly should remain in whatever job you are in and not be a corporate overload that is responsible for growing a business.

Oh you work in a hospital? Tell me how the consolidation of that industry is and where the black on your P&L resides. Oh you help save your institution money? Yea that's great you probably still operate inefficiently and operate in the red while "reducing costs."

Indies hate chains because they have systems to automate and metrics to enforce consistent execution. Indies also can't afford to create, develop, license or properly integrate systems to help them compete with the chains because - oh wait they don't have the earnings to reinvest into their business. I don't see the profitability of chains slowing down and I certainly don't hope they start getting stupid with how they are currently running. Abundance of pharmacists coming out of the academic system means more true corporate slaves for me to invest in.

Also - Unchained - please remove all of your investments that might be in corporations. You are more "chained" with your retirement account than you were at any retail pharmacy chain.
So you admit that the big chains adherence strategy is an incremental sales increase strategy packaged in a health care ribbon. I have no problems with this but I prefer to call a spade a spade and take away the ethical high ground.
As far as my social engineering comment I refer you to mayor Michael Bloomberg in his war against large soda as a recent example. It's not a secret that people who dwell in macro thinking believe that they can influence human behavior(see also the federal reserve).
If I was hired to implement a true adherence strategy to improve patient outcomes and lower health care costs, which is where the professional high ground lay, and I came up with calling patients three times to pick up their med instead of just once then I should be fired. So if corporate executives are as smart as you say, which I believe they are for the most part, then it's an experiment to drive sales. An experiment that is already showing signs of being ineffective. I'm not a clinician just a 16 year retail pharmacist who likes dwell in where the proverbial rubber meets the road.
 
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Makes sense IMO ... More adherent patients = more scripts = Aligned business interests ...

But if there's a reasonable CVSer out there that can prove this wrong without referring to outdated performance metrics, I'd be happy to be informed.

I don't know what I can "prove" but we hardly ever discuss KPM on our conference calls or SOS visits. Lately they have been all about the new wecare score card and before that it was all MCE. But I would guess different sups have different focuses.
 
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