Worse GPA/MCAT, considering future paths

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jasin said:
Do you NOT realize that you just labeled everyone who does not have a 4.0 or close to as dumb and stupid?
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just stop. you are embarrassing yourself. He didn't label that. Statistics aside, the OP has a 2.0-2.5 gpa currently and made the comment that he can get a 4.0 easy by taking an easy major. People generally don't go from average C student to stellar A student. It is possible, but common sense shows it isn't likely. Moreover people don't generally jump in MCAT score by 20 points. Again, it is possible, but it isn't likely.

Also it is generally accepted that the Caribbean sucks and to not go that route because many people end there with no degree and $200k bill. And Canadian applicants applying to MD school in the states are expected to be stellar. If he were to take classes for the next 10 years all at a 4.0 gpa, he may be able to reach a competitive range, but that is both ridiculous and unwise.

People that aren't close to a 4.0 aren't stupid, but that doesn't mean they can all be doctors. The OP can do whatever he wants and if he truly wants to be a doctor, no one can stop him. At least if he moves forward he is aware that it isn't going to be anytime within the next 10 years. This is realistic.

You are just arguing now to save face, but throwing around random stuff. Forget statistics. Let's use common sense.
 
PJ meowerton said:
what about the statistics for the efficacy of certain drugs/procedures/treatments?

Or all research for that matter, do you not believe in research?

why are you so invested in this thread?
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This is offtopic. We were talking about medical school acceptance rates.
 
dorianking said:
So as the title says, I have the worse possible GPA possible and MCAT. Probably 2.0-2.5 depending on the turn out this semester and a low 10s on the MCAT (yes, I'm aware that I will re-take it, but the GPA buff is more important right now). I essentially did terrible in every single pre-req course except for 1 or 2 and did well on the easy electives. I was going through some mental health issues the first 2 years of University and even with a gradual uphill of grades, my GPA is still way beyond repair.

Now that I am graduating, I'm looking to do a second degree instead of Masters because Masters is good and everything, but adcoms look towards undergrad the most, not to mention that my disgusting GPA would even be considered by any Universities.

My main concern is, how do US or Carribean (The Big 4 Only) MD schools look toward a second degree (I'm a Canadian Citizen by the way). And if I were to pursue a second degree, should I just take something easy program like anything dealing with health politics (which is my forte) and easily get a 4.0 or should I consider getting a second degree in sciences again at a different University, re-taking all the med school pre-reqs and do as well as I can; I'm positive that I can get 80-90% which is a huge improvement from the 50s I got the first time.

Also, I'm looking to get a MD, not considering at all a DO and you are all probably LOL right now thinking "has he lost his marbles, DO is the only thing he has got a shot at." But I rather take a gamble at Carribean MD to be put in an IMG than get a DO, that's how much the letters mean to me (to each his own 😛)

Anyways, input on what I should do would help a lot! If you guys think I'm trolling, I assure I am not and I'm dead serious about this thread and everything about it is the truth.
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here. you seem to have missed it.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
He didn't. The OP did in his first post.
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Ok, fine, whoever. That's still not helpful. Medical schools do not look highly upon classes like basket weaving 101.
 
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jasin said:
I know of, for example, a medical school that has a 96% acceptance rate regionally. But only has a 4% acceptance rate nationally. And its that way because they give HIGH preference in acceptance to locals, natives or long time residents of the state.
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So there are only like 100-200 "regionals" who apply to this school every year, but every single one of them gets in? Is it located in the midst of an atomic bomb-testing zone and these are the mutated survivors? Or maybe it's just in Amish country?

So If I wanted to be discouraging like dmf2682 and others on here are I could just twist the stats. I could tell a native their acceptance rate is only 4% rather than the regional 96%.

And for this particular medical school I actually seen someone on another forum do just that.Twist the stats exactly in that way.
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Why don't you tell the OP to move there? Because that's the first realistic possibility anyone's come up with. What school is this, anyway?
 
scarshapedstar said:
Why don't you tell the OP to move there? Because that's the first realistic possibility anyone's come up with. What school is this, anyway?
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Moving to a state does not make you a native of that state i.e. born and/or raised in that state.
 
scarshapedstar said:
So there are only like 100-200 "regionals" who apply to this school every year, but every single one of them gets in? Is it located in the midst of an atomic bomb-testing zone and these are the mutated survivors? Or maybe it's just in Amish country
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:laugh: This is a strawman!
 
jasin said:
:laugh: This is a strawman!
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Man, you are entertaining! Let's keep this going. Here, I'll help you out:

PJ meowerton said:
what about the statistics for the efficacy of certain drugs/procedures/treatments?

Or all research for that matter, do you not believe in research?

why are you so invested in this thread?
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Pfft, facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
 
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Im just interested as to what you did to cure your mental health condition that "forced" you to do so terrible during the first two years?...
 
sirenomelia said:
I predict this guy will go on into hospital administration and make 7 figures and laugh at us slaves toiling for peanuts when he's leaving work at 430 in his Lambo.
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And to the OP... honesty with such a low GPA AND low MCAT I do not think you will get into a decent medical school. That said... perhaps you can get in to some other form of medicine?
 
I don't think anyone is putting him down. Right now OP is showing serious lack of academic competency. If he can not make it through undergrad or a 4 hour exam called the MCAT with a decent score please enlighten me how will he make it through medical school and a grueling 8 hour USMLE step 1?
All hope is not lost but OP you have to really prove yourself and that might seriously take half a decade. Good luck!
 
jasin, i think you have a good heart, but perhaps your delivery could use some work. please do not take offense, but i think there is a lot to be said in how a message is delivered. regardless of this, i am wondering and maybe this can go in a different thread, if you have any suggestions as to how to keep your confidence and spirits high when looking at the MCAT. It seems very overwhelming at first and frankly, is THE most important thing you can control if you are looking for a large bang for your effort-buck. Any tips?

thanks.
 
jasin said:
You do know that not everyone takes the USMLE?
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Yep, the only doctors who dont take the USMLE are... that's right, DOs. Who take the COMLEX ( I think thats what its called), and guess what, the OP already said that he wont do DO because it is beneath him. People need to grow up. As for a US MD school with a 94% acceptance rate, I can promise you that that is not true. Guaranteed. Whoever told you that statistic was either confused or lying. Even within any given region, that is just not the case.
 
A number like 94% might describe the percentage of instate students in the matriculated student body. 94% doesn't describe the instate odds of getting in. Anywhere.

From the '11-'12 MSAR, the 3 US MD schools with the highest percentages of instate matriculated applicants, as of the 2009 entering class:

Arkansas: 294 instate applicants, 143 instate matriculants, 49%
Mississippi: 270 instate applicants, 120 instate matriculants, 44%
Oklahoma: 354 instate applicants, 150 instate matriculants, 42%

Round up for those who apply instate and go elsewhere, and the highest odds of instate acceptance are 50%.

A different slice on the numbers for 2011 by AAMC is here: https://www.aamc.org/download/161128/data/table1.pdf

Even in Vermont, where only about 100 total instaters apply, only about 35 get in. In Vermont, 100 students compete for 109 seats, meaning there's more than one seat per instate applicant. Compare to California where there's one eighth of a public school seat per instate applicant.

U of Washington, which counts 27% of the United States land mass (3% of US population) as instate: about 17% of instate (WWAMI) applicants get in.

Med school: hard to get into. Everywhere. Amen.

Best of luck to you.
 
0919mmk said:
Yep, the only doctors who dont take the USMLE are... that's right, DOs. Who take the COMLEX ( I think thats what its called), and guess what, the OP already said that he wont do DO because it is beneath him. People need to grow up. As for a US MD school with a 94% acceptance rate, I can promise you that that is not true. Guaranteed. Whoever told you that statistic was either confused or lying. Even within any given region, that is just not the case.
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DOs are not restricted solely to just the comlex. Matter of fact, DOs can't work in some places if they have not taken both the comlex and usmle. Those are not the only kinds of licensing there is though.
 
NuttyEngDude said:
jasin, i think you have a good heart, but perhaps your delivery could use some work. please do not take offense, but i think there is a lot to be said in how a message is delivered. regardless of this, i am wondering and maybe this can go in a different thread, if you have any suggestions as to how to keep your confidence and spirits high when looking at the MCAT. It seems very overwhelming at first and frankly, is THE most important thing you can control if you are looking for a large bang for your effort-buck. Any tips?

thanks.
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👎
 
DrMidlife said:
A number like 94% might describe the percentage of instate students in the matriculated student body. 94% doesn't describe the instate odds of getting in. Anywhere.

From the '11-'12 MSAR, the 3 US MD schools with the highest percentages of instate matriculated applicants, as of the 2009 entering class:

Arkansas: 294 instate applicants, 143 instate matriculants, 49%
Mississippi: 270 instate applicants, 120 instate matriculants, 44%
Oklahoma: 354 instate applicants, 150 instate matriculants, 42%

Round up for those who apply instate and go elsewhere, and the highest odds of instate acceptance are 50%.

A different slice on the numbers for 2011 by AAMC is here: https://www.aamc.org/download/161128/data/table1.pdf

Even in Vermont, where only about 100 total instaters apply, only about 35 get in. In Vermont, 100 students compete for 109 seats, meaning there's more than one seat per instate applicant. Compare to California where there's one eighth of a public school seat per instate applicant.

U of Washington, which counts 27% of the United States land mass (3% of US population) as instate: about 17% of instate (WWAMI) applicants get in.

Med school: hard to get into. Everywhere. Amen.

Best of luck to you.
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And what's your point?
 
jasin said:
DOs are not restricted solely to just the comlex. Matter of fact, DOs can't work in some places if they have not taken both the comlex and usmle. Those are not the only kinds of licensing there is though.
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what else can they do? what are the other forms of licensing?
 
jasin said:
And what's your point?
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Oh my god dude, are you freaking serious?

jasin said:
@PJ meowerton

Twisting stats is very easy when it comes to medical school acceptance rates.

I know of, for example, a medical school that has a 96% acceptance rate regionally. But only has a 4% acceptance rate nationally. And its that way because they give HIGH preference in acceptance to locals, natives or long time residents of the state.

So If I wanted to be discouraging like dmf2682 and others on here are I could just twist the stats. I could tell a native their acceptance rate is only 4% rather than the regional 96%.

And for this particular medical school I actually seen someone on another forum do just that.Twist the stats exactly in that way.
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Stop trolling everyone. You clearly just want to argue for the sake of arguing, but everyone hear isn't impressed, they are annoyed. You are cherry picking crap and your arguments suck. Just stop.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
Oh my god dude, are you freaking serious?



Stop trolling everyone. You clearly just want to argue for the sake of arguing, but everyone hear isn't impressed, they are annoyed. You are cherry picking crap and your arguments suck. Just stop.
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😕 😕 Actually that addresses a question I was asked so how exactly is that trolling????
 
FrkyBgStok said:
Oh my god dude, are you freaking serious?



Stop trolling everyone. You clearly just want to argue for the sake of arguing, but everyone hear isn't impressed, they are annoyed. You are cherry picking crap and your arguments suck. Just stop.
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You seem like the kind of person who'd kick a person while they're down. 😡
 
FrkyBgStok said:
you are the one that made the claim that there are other forms of licensing available to DO and MD students, so it was a question.
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Yeah, but i'm just a stupid troll to you who knows nothing. 😡
 
jasin said:
Well, we are all waiting ... go ahead and tell us
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this is exactly why you are trolling. you are trying to get people angry at you. it is impossible you are this stupid. they were asking you because they didn't know, but you claim that there are other forms of licensing. we are all waiting for you to tell us what they are.

you asked dr. midlife what the point was, and she was explaining to you that a statistic you claimed was incorrect.

we did this same roundabout early in this thread and on other threads. you can't seem to grasp what people are saying and you are trying to argue. if your arguing made sense it would be tolerable but it doesn't. You claim this statistic, dr. midlife says that is wrong, and you say what's your point.

You know what, at this point, shame on me.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
this is exactly why you are trolling. you are trying to get people angry at you. it is impossible you are this stupid. they were asking you because they didn't know, but you claim that there are other forms of licensing. we are all waiting for you to tell us what they are.

you asked dr. midlife what the point was, and she was explaining to you that a statistic you claimed was incorrect.

we did this same roundabout early in this thread and on other threads. you can't seem to grasp what people are saying and you are trying to argue. if your arguing made sense it would be tolerable but it doesn't. You claim this statistic, dr. midlife says that is wrong, and you say what's your point.

You know what, at this point, shame on me.
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I'm not the one insulting people.
 
We should not be fighting on a day like today; in remembrance of Martin Luther King Jr. the greatest civil rights leader ever. 🙂
 
FrkyBgStok said:
this is exactly why you are trolling. you are trying to get people angry at you. it is impossible you are this stupid. they were asking you because they didn't know, but you claim that there are other forms of licensing. we are all waiting for you to tell us what they are.

you asked dr. midlife what the point was, and she was explaining to you that a statistic you claimed was incorrect.

we did this same roundabout early in this thread and on other threads. you can't seem to grasp what people are saying and you are trying to argue. if your arguing made sense it would be tolerable but it doesn't. You claim this statistic, dr. midlife says that is wrong, and you say what's your point.

You know what, at this point, shame on me.
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I agree, I'm done with this thread, it would be more fun if he could actually come up with answers or decent arguments but this is a pretty boring troll
 
PJ meowerton said:
I agree, I'm done with this thread, it would be more fun if he could actually come up with answers or decent arguments but this is a pretty boring troll
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This is Pathetic. Its not even intelligent or mature.
 
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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvUJDyKbj2o&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]
 
jasin said:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvUJDyKbj2o&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]
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I have no idea what this man is saying, because I am blind. This post was extremely offensive to me.
 
scarshapedstar said:
I have no idea what this man is saying, because I am blind. This post was extremely offensive to me.
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I highly doubt you are blind. Nevertheless, a person's blindness does not negate my right or any Deaf person's right -- to sign.
 
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M.D. is out of your reach forever, unless you buy the school a new library or something.

However, there is something that works in your favor that I have not seen others mention. D.O. schools allow grade replacement. You need to retake every class in which you got a C or lower, so that your AACOMAS GPA approaches 3.0. Then apply to D.O. school with at least a 25 MCAT. Honestly, if I were you I would just choose another career, because even if you retake all these classes and get your 25 MCAT, your chances are still low.
 
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