Worth it to work full time unpaid at a lab?

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Hi! I was accepted to an EAP, so I’ve been focusing on activities like research/aiming for publications that will carry through to med school (and don’t need to focus on things for applying).

I’m currently in a lab (has been 1 year now) and am trying to decide if I should stay for the summer, but it looks like I might not get any funding for it. I don’t particularly want to work full time over the summer for free while also being down 3 months of rent. There’s a potential grant that would cover enough for just my rent (not 100% sure that I’d get it but the chances are better), but then I’d still be working full time for free and only breaking even.

The only upside is that my name is on a paper that’s currently completing peer review (which should be secured) and if I stayed during the summer, they would start another project that they’ve said I could be on the author list for. But they’ve also in the past threatened to take away authorship from even the first paper, so I don’t know how much I trust them on that, especially since the paper would only be published when I’ve graduated/left the lab (takes 2-3 years for the whole process if we’re starting now). They’ve also improved/been kind in some cases, but there was a whole semester where they didn’t react nicely to me making mistakes (made out to feel useless every day, long talks, told that I could be easily replaced by a new intern since there were so many applicants, stressed every time I came to lab), and I do think that there’s a non-zero chance that that could happen again since the mistakes are lab work-related.

I’m in my junior year right now so this would be my last free summer before starting med school. Should I jump ship and look for other research? Is it still worth it to work for free when I’d be down rent or if I only broke even? I’ve been wanting to focus on publications, but is it still realistic with 1 year left if I joined another lab or stayed here? Thank you!

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Thank you all for the insight, I truly appreciate it and what’s been said is what I think I’ve been feeling inside as well. I think my gut was also telling me to leave.

Another thing that I forgot to mention or that I didn’t know if I wanted to sway the vote was context of the lab. The institution is a top research institution/med school (think level of Stanford), and the lab published major discoveries 20 years ago (Nature/Cell level) but the research I’m currently doing is a separate topic that the lab is not well known for (and recently publications are lower or Nature sub journal level). Example that’s similar: lab published in Nature for cancer research but is doing research on neuroscience unrelated to cancer (publishes Nature subjournal or lower). The paper that I mentioned before is in completing peer review in a Nature sub journal.

Does this affect the sentiment/advice to leave at all? Some other premed friends have said that they would stick it out, and I would be lying if I said the reputation/publication level of the lab was not something I thought about.

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Unless you want to be a scientist more than you want to be a doctor, I'd recommend getting out of the lab and finding a paying job that will bring you face-to-face with the public. It could be seasonal employment in hospitality/food service/retail, or employment in a facility for older adults and the disabled, or in a clinic setting. Alternately, you might find work as a tutor, either freelance or for a corporation or small business. The point is, get out of your comfort zone, learn to work with the public, and make some cash.

Good luck!
 
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Strongly agree - exploitative and abusive PIs are a stain on the academic community.

There will always be other non-malignant labs. Don't learn bad habits and accumulate psychological damage "for free".
 
Leave. No research project is worth your mental health.
 
Hi! I was accepted to an EAP, so I’ve been focusing on activities like research/aiming for publications that will carry through to med school (and don’t need to focus on things for applying).

I’m currently in a lab (has been 1 year now) and am trying to decide if I should stay for the summer, but it looks like I might not get any funding for it. I don’t particularly want to work full time over the summer for free while also being down 3 months of rent. There’s a potential grant that would cover enough for just my rent (not 100% sure that I’d get it but the chances are better), but then I’d still be working full time for free and only breaking even.

The only upside is that my name is on a paper that’s currently completing peer review (which should be secured) and if I stayed during the summer, they would start another project that they’ve said I could be on the author list for. But they’ve also in the past threatened to take away authorship from even the first paper, so I don’t know how much I trust them on that, especially since the paper would only be published when I’ve graduated/left the lab (takes 2-3 years for the whole process if we’re starting now). They’ve also improved/been kind in some cases, but there was a whole semester where they didn’t react nicely to me making mistakes (made out to feel useless every day, long talks, stressed every time I came to lab), and I do think that there’s a non-zero chance that that could happen again since the mistakes are lab work-related.

I’m in my junior year right now so this would be my last free summer before starting med school. Should I jump ship and look for other research? Is it still worth it to work for free when I’d be down rent or if I only broke even? I’ve been wanting to focus on publications, but is it still realistic with 1 year left if I joined another lab or stayed here? Thank you!
Authorship is less important that real academic experiences that you can correlate to a skillset that will help you throughout a career in medicine. As long as you have been able to gain experience and articulate how you will apply it as a medical student, then you are good to go. You need not stay simply for a publication if you are worried that this is a "make it or break it" moment in an AMCAS application.
 
This may be a good time to do some serious non-clinical community service or serious clinical exposure. We don't know what you've done to this effect, but given the uncertainty about summer program funding, you may be better off finding out if you can tolerate being around sick people or those need social services that have been cut off from them... all the time.
 
Thank you all for the insight! I truly appreciate it and what’s been said is what I think I’ve been feeling inside as well. I think my gut was also telling me to leave.

Another thing that I forgot to mention or that I didn’t know if I wanted to sway the vote was context of the lab. The institution is a top research institution/med school (think level of Stanford), and the lab published major discoveries 20 years ago (Nature/Cell level) but the research I’m currently doing is a separate topic that the lab is not well known for (and recently publications are lower or Nature sub journal level). Example that’s similar: lab published in Nature for cancer research but is doing research on neuroscience unrelated to cancer (publishes Nature subjournal or lower). The paper that I mentioned before is completing peer review in a Nature sub journal.

Does this affect the sentiment/advice to leave at all? Some other premed friends have said that they would stick it out, and I would be lying if I said the reputation/publication level of the lab was not something I thought about.
 
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Thank you all for the insight! I truly appreciate it and what’s been said is what I think I’ve been feeling inside as well. I think my gut was also telling me to leave.

Another thing that I forgot to mention or that I didn’t know if I wanted to sway the vote was context of the lab. The institution is a top research institution/med school (think level of Stanford), and the lab published major discoveries 20 years ago (Nature/Cell level) but the research I’m currently doing is a separate topic that the lab is not well known for (and recently publications are lower or Nature sub journal level). Example that’s similar: lab published in Nature for cancer research but is doing research on neuroscience unrelated to cancer (publishes Nature subjournal or lower). The paper that I mentioned before is completing peer review in a Nature sub journal.

Does this affect the sentiment/advice to leave at all? Some other premed friends have said that they would stick it out, and I would be lying if I said the reputation/publication level of the lab was not something I thought about.
If this is a top institution then you have even less to lose -- there will be a fair few labs on that campus that have a similar research output; again not worth putting your happiness at risk for the potential of a nature sub-journal publicaiton (and you can probably get research output similar to that at your school). The publication "level" as such shouldn't have much sway in your decision-making process at this point. I can't speak to residency PD, but as an MD applicant I had a couple co-authored publications in journals like these. Even still, nobody brought it up even once during my interviews
 
Thank you all for the insight! I truly appreciate it and what’s been said is what I think I’ve been feeling inside as well. I think my gut was also telling me to leave.

Another thing that I forgot to mention or that I didn’t know if I wanted to sway the vote was context of the lab. The institution is a top research institution/med school (think level of Stanford), and the lab published major discoveries 20 years ago (Nature/Cell level) but the research I’m currently doing is a separate topic that the lab is not well known for (and recently publications are lower or Nature sub journal level). Example that’s similar: lab published in Nature for cancer research but is doing research on neuroscience unrelated to cancer (publishes Nature subjournal or lower). The paper that I mentioned before is completing peer review in a Nature sub journal.

Does this affect the sentiment/advice to leave at all? Some other premed friends have said that they would stick it out, and I would be lying if I said the reputation/publication level of the lab was not something I thought about.
Doing a TL/DR: I don't care if you're interning with the President of the United States. If you are afraid for your safety or mental health, leave. Unless you want to be the President of the United States in your future.

By the way, I would NEVER ask a student to volunteer in my (wet) lab without proper training and liability coverage. We cannot be responsible if you get into an accident in the lab, and the university counsel and research VP will be chasing me down if you had an accident that caused a big problem that hit the media (the radiation cloud came from my lab???) Even if you had training, the university won't allow for us to take the risk.

No one should work "for free" full-time in the lab. Grad students and postdocs already earn far less than their actual value.
 
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