Worth taking a year off?

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Is it worth taking a year off to avoid going to a really expensive out of state med school, and try getting into a cheaper instate school? What is your opinion? I know debt is a consideration, especially if you end up doing a primary care residency. What's your opinion?
 
Is it worth taking a year off to avoid going to a really expensive out of state med school, and try getting into a cheaper instate school? What is your opinion? I know debt is a consideration, especially if you end up doing a primary care residency. What's your opinion?

Depends what state you're applying in. Also depends if you can actually qualify for IS in that particular state for one year. Also depends on your stats.

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If you delayed a year for monetary reasons, doesn't that mean you'll be missing out on at least 1 year of a doctor's salary, $150k at the minimum? Unless your instate school is $150k cheaper, I'd just go to the out of state school. Now if your reasons for staying in-state have more to do with than saving money, then I'd reconsider, depending on what those other reasons were.
 
If you go primary care there are quite a few programs that will help pay back your debt. Do the math, what's the difference in tuition verse how much you will earn you by being one year ahead?

There are a lot of factors and its a hard decision but if you are already accepted it is probably best to take the acceptance. You can't be sure you will get into your state school next year.

Or were you suggesting a one year deferral and moving to that state for a year to become a resident?
 
Just to clarify, are we talking MD or DO? I ask because I would only wait if I had a great chance of getting in and MD admissions are such a crapshoot (even more than DO) I wouldn't risk it at the chance of ending up in the same position... especially if you are content with your OOS choice/s.
 
I'm not trying to be the grim reaper here but debt is a serious medical school consideration. Many, many pre-meds are very, very guilty of not understanding just how much it matters.

However, as has been said, the amount we're talking matters.

Let's assume 15-year repayment for the sake of argument. If your total med school debt is $125,000 you will repay $199,729.53. If your debt is $175,000 you will repay $279,620. Yes, this all changes with income based repayment (IBR) and federal loan forgiveness (FLFP).

So, in the long run, will that matter? Maybe not. However, if you came right out of residency and put that same $70,000 of your income into even a non-risky investment it would turn into millions by retirement.

Never make a decision of this magnitude based on the fact that a government program will be available for you when you get out. There are no guarantees. I'm not even convinced IBR and FLFP will be available for me when I get out in three years.

There's also no guarantees you will get into the cheaper school next year. It's a risky move. Play the safest cards handed to you and keep on truckin' on!

[Edit]: And, for full disclosure, many people who don't do IBR for FLFP reasons pay off their loans in 25 years which drastically changes the above figures.
 
To clarify, most likely in state DO private school with 42k tuition and living at home next year versus out of state 49k tuition DO school along with extra logistical costs this year. That's like $160 K versus $250 k total tuition difference. Worth it? Idk
 
7k tuition and living expenses for a year wait is not worth it imho. I'd jump on the acceptance, especially since the state school isn't gauranteed.
 
As far as the loan repayments, why don't more people just live like a student for a few more years and pay off the loans quicker?
 
As far as the loan repayments, why don't more people just live like a student for a few more years and pay off the loans quicker?

My guess is that's easier said than done when you magically have $200k appear in your bank account.

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So the question... is 100k extra cost for med school worth taking a year off? Considering that the debt will be worse with interest.
 
So the question... is 100k extra cost for med school worth taking a year off? Considering that the debt will be worse with interest.


That question is really only relevant if you have a high likelihood of getting into a state school.
 
So the question... is 100k extra cost for med school worth taking a year off? Considering that the debt will be worse with interest.

^ What he said. If you defer a year and don't get into the state school you basically set your entire career back a year and you're $XXX,XXX to the negative (lost a year of salary). It's a no brainer if you KNOW you're getting in but there's no way to know that.

Also, to the other poster, living like a student for a few years is a reality for many. Depending on where you land an attending job you may actually be doing that rather you want to or not. More info if you're interested: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/777145?src=mp&spon=25

However, income based repayment does keep you in debt for ~10 years but in the long run, depending on your loan severity, can save you hundreds of thousands of dollars. So, why rush to pay it back? If you do residency at a non-profit hospital then those years count towards your 10-year forgiveness. Five year residency program + five years as an attending at a non-profit system = zero student loan debt. Why rush the repayment just to make it five years and toss away hundreds of thousands in the process if you don't have to?

To the OP: The fact that you're even worried about this says a lot about how realistic you are about this process. From what I've seen most pre-meds don't even give it a second thought.
 
^ What he said. If you defer a year and don't get into the state school you basically set your entire career back a year and you're $XXX,XXX to the negative (lost a year of salary). It's a no brainer if you KNOW you're getting in but there's no way to know that.

Also, to the other poster, living like a student for a few years is a reality for many. Depending on where you land an attending job you may actually be doing that rather you want to or not. More info if you're interested: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/777145?src=mp&spon=25

However, income based repayment does keep you in debt for ~10 years but in the long run, depending on your loan severity, can save you hundreds of thousands of dollars. So, why rush to pay it back? If you do residency at a non-profit hospital then those years count towards your 10-year forgiveness. Five year residency program + five years as an attending at a non-profit system = zero student loan debt. Why rush the repayment just to make it five years and toss away hundreds of thousands in the process if you don't have to?

To the OP: The fact that you're even worried about this says a lot about how realistic you are about this process. From what I've seen most pre-meds don't even give it a second thought.

Thanks, yeah I think it's essential to consider these things. So it seems you are suggesting to wait a year, if the in state is pretty much a guarantee, considering in the long run it saves about a 100k in debt. I applied late, so I think that really hurt my chances for this year.

However, IF you do work in non-profit setting and do the 10 year repayment, then does it really matter how much debt you have? I'm sorry, I didn't know about this, and would like to learn more about this as well as the debt forgiveness options for people in primary care. If you do primary care, then does it matter how much debt you have if you do the option to work in the specified areas?
 
However, IF you do work in non-profit setting and do the 10 year repayment, then does it really matter how much debt you have? I'm sorry, I didn't know about this, and would like to learn more about this as well as the debt forgiveness options for people in primary care. If you do primary care, then does it matter how much debt you have if you do the option to work in the specified areas?

It matters in the sense that the more debt you have the more your income is going to take a hit in those 10 years. The last thing you want is to work for the next 7 years of your life toward a goal and then not be able to live a somewhat lucrative life in the next 10.

For primary care that really only matters depending on where you practice. If you're a primary care doc making $150k a year in rural Tennessee it's a lot different than if you're practicing in inner-city Boston. In rural Tennessee you're very comfortable and, truth be told, your salary is probably higher than if you were in Boston as well. (Debatable but typically rural docs make more net salary because the rural hospitals have to pay more to keep people). The link I posted above sort of illustrates that. In that study they found that, in some cases, the inner-city Boston doc was actually coming out in negative incomes.

Again, you can't bet on income based repayment being there 4 years from now. Not at all. We had a financial advisor presentation a week or so ago and that's exactly what he told us. It's there now but we shouldn't make any financial decisions planning on it to be there in 3 years when we're done.

To a certain degree med students can just not give a damn. So many med students try to live frugally, never eating out, etc. while they're in school and across four years might save about $15k. In the grand scheme of things that's really not that big of a deal. However, if you're talking $100k, it does deserve a longer look.

I don't envy your situation and the decision you have to make! :luck:

[Edit]: And, I should say, I don't know any primary care docs in rural TN making $150k. Most are making at least $200 and up. Somewhere there are family practice docs struggling to get by but in my experiences they're not in rural America.
 
It matters in the sense that the more debt you have the more your income is going to take a hit in those 10 years. The last thing you want is to work for the next 7 years of your life toward a goal and then not be able to live a somewhat lucrative life in the next 10.

For primary care that really only matters depending on where you practice. If you're a primary care doc making $150k a year in rural Tennessee it's a lot different than if you're practicing in inner-city Boston. In rural Tennessee you're very comfortable and, truth be told, your salary is probably higher than if you were in Boston as well. (Debatable but typically rural docs make more net salary because the rural hospitals have to pay more to keep people). The link I posted above sort of illustrates that. In that study they found that, in some cases, the inner-city Boston doc was actually coming out in negative incomes.

Again, you can't bet on income based repayment being there 4 years from now. Not at all. We had a financial advisor presentation a week or so ago and that's exactly what he told us. It's there now but we shouldn't make any financial decisions planning on it to be there in 3 years when we're done.

To a certain degree med students can just not give a damn. So many med students try to live frugally, never eating out, etc. while they're in school and across four years might save about $15k. In the grand scheme of things that's really not that big of a deal. However, if you're talking $100k, it does deserve a longer look.

I don't envy your situation and the decision you have to make! :luck:

[Edit]: And, I should say, I don't know any primary care docs in rural TN making $150k. Most are making at least $200 and up. Somewhere there are family practice docs struggling to get by but in my experiences they're not in rural America.

Thanks for the insight!
 
While I agree with CopToEm, most of us Pre-Med's don't look at the big picture of debt, but I still disagree with waiting. There's no guarantee of getting accepted into your state school and you won't be able to go to the school you were accepted in next year. I'd take the acceptance and just learn to live frugally and pay off your debt asap. Maybe you'll get a specialty that will pay a lot, get a job that pays well in FM in the city you want to practice (or not), or you learn how to budget well with whatever specialty/job you have.

But I believe you'll be doing yourself a disservice if you forgo this acceptance.
 
What about deferring for a year? Of course this involves short term deposit costs though.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong, but you can't defer an acceptance and then apply again to other schools. I'm fairly sure a school wouldn't allow that, usually deferring is for specific reasons.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong, but you can't defer an acceptance and then apply again to other schools. I'm fairly sure a school wouldn't allow that, usually deferring is for specific reasons.

I don't see how they could pressure you, as long as you don't matriculate into the school. You could still go through another application cycle? Can anyone clarify?
 
I don't see how they could pressure you, as long as you don't matriculate into the school. You could still go through another application cycle? Can anyone clarify?

I've heard that deferred students sign some kind of agreement that says they will not matriculate to another school in the future. I am not in a position to want (or need) to defer so I didn't do any of my own research about it.
 
From my understanding it is very rare to be granted a deferment, so you would have to come up with something good to get that option, and even then i'm sure there is some sort of contractual obligation, or at least monetary.

All in all, that is just a bad move.
 
Ask your school about deferment; it never hurts to ask but I doubt they'll grant it so that you can pursue another medical school.

Be sure to let us know what you decide though. 👍
 
Im late, but this seems like a bad move all day, every day.

While it good to be financially responsible, you'll be just fine repaying your med school debt, even if you end up in PC.

Its up to you, but I can't see this being a good choice. In fact, a lot of people would say you are giving up one more year from the backside of your career that you would be making an attending salary.($200-$300-$400K+) So, technically, its loosing money even if you add in interest.
 
Idk...300k debt is very unappealing right now.
 
Well, the general consensus seems to be that a year to potentially save $100k in debt is not worth it due to a lost year in career salary.
 
Well, the general consensus seems to be that a year to potentially save $100k in debt is not worth it due to a lost year in career salary.

I think the general consensus is that you shouldn't give up an acceptance for a "maybe" in-state school. It's a risky maneuver all around and one you don't want to end up on the wrong side.
 
I think it would help, OP, if you told us what ur current stats were and what state of residence you were from. For example, if u live in Georgia, I would recommend waiting a year to shoot for a cheap in state school
 
I think the general consensus is that you shouldn't give up an acceptance for a "maybe" in-state school. It's a risky maneuver all around and one you don't want to end up on the wrong side.

exactly this...the other info was only as a side note to this main point.
 
Take the acceptance and never look back.


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