Worthless Ethics Threads

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One thing I particularly like about the pre-med forum, is all the worthless ethics threads. I marvel at all the Qs on what is right, what a doctor should do, blah, blah.

How come none of you ask yourself questions that actually apply to your situation, that productively influence the chance of getting into med school?

No matter how great arguments you have, and how content you are with the ethical reasoning, it seems incredible naive to think that you have the power to change ppls opinion by the weight of an argument alone. If admission directors are anything like me, they shut their ears the second they sense your argument is taking them towards a position they are not comfortable with. If worse, they are like me during PMS, and then you can wave good bye to your precious application right away.

For instance, say that you were asked during an interview session, "how you would react to a friend who asked for advice about abortion." There is NO way you are gonna convince the son of a pastor, active church member, anti-abortion dean of any med school, not just loma linda, that abortion as a matter of fact, is just like having a meal at McDonald's. Fat chance.

Any how-to-get-a-job book tells you that in order to seal the deal, they have to like you. This means researching what you are up against, and customizing arguments for that situation, not taking generic crap off SDN and steal the argument of whoever seems most rhetorically capable. Because not just deans, but ppl in general tend to like those who are like themselves.

That is the sort of thing I don't see exchanged on SDN, even though there would be a mutual benefit to SDN members, as the total applicant base way outnumbers members here. You should exchange what tactics seem to have the best statistical outcome, should you fog, should you evade, and so on. What strategy is the most viable against an opponent with a KNOWN set of opposing values, and what strategy works best when up against a dean/admission responsible with UNKNOWN values.

Wouldn't that be far more valuable than reading the different opinions on what you should do and shouldn't do? Frankly, I don't give a damn about what anyone at Loma Linda or any other sick 7th dayer means about anything ethically, but I think I would have had a great chance of getting in there. Wouldn't that be an idea, figuring out how?
 
I understand what your point is.
However, are you suggesting that all the ethics discussions should solely be reserved to doctors and the other relevant people in the field and no one else?
Then what was the reason behind everyone who was not in the finance/business/banking sectors of America to have complained about what had happened to the economy one year ago? I'm sure not all of them were in those fields.

Applying to med school today may be different to how it was when you were applying to med school. Right now, it isn't about getting accepted and thinking about applications day and night, its about knowing your field before deciding to spend the $2k on applying. This only happens through discussing things on here, thats what a forum is.

As for "stealing the argument" its called being convinced. Someone else's ideas seem more appealing than your own or the ideas of someone else, and hence you accept that. That's exactly what a forum is and that is exactly what SDN is. You're telling us that we should research our own arguments and from our own opinions. When you're researching, you are in a sense reading the opinions and arguments of OTHER people. Take a look at the HC problem. When you research, doctors, politicians, lawyers, and businessmen are presenting their arguments--who do you believe? By discussing it here, you learn new things and you are able to better formulate your own opinion, which is not going to be much different from those of the sides that are taking this debate.
 
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Oh, and btw. During interviews here in America (assuming you're not in America b/c of your location), interviewers ask questions about ethics,. what a doctor should do, if a doctor should do this over that. So yes, all these ethics threads that come up infrequently are all very relevant. Just because you read the opinion of someone else and agree with it doesn't mean you're a sell-out.
 
ethics... knowing that everything is morally wrong..
enjoy your ban :laugh:

some people need a crotch.. ethics are lies that humans created to make ourselves feel better and slightly above animal.
ethics from things like thou shall not kill.. to thou shall not covet someone's wife..
without ethics.. what is our society.. a building without society..
and to believe that you will be like a unbreakable diamond knife that cut through all moral ethics.. well then.. you must feel like your that much higher then society..
deal that people have opinions, and some people are very very stubborn..
we as doctors/soon to be doctors have the duty to help our patients and tell them our 'expert' opinions on situations. But we are doctors.. no gods... we are not always right.. and we are not all knowing... because of that.. we have no right to push our opinions of what is ethical on others.
 
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Were they banned for just this thread?
 
ethics... knowing that everything is morally wrong..
enjoy your ban :laugh:

some people need a crotch.. ethics are lies that humans created to make ourselves feel better and slightly above animal.
ethics from things like thou shall not kill.. to thou shall not covet someone's wife..
without ethics.. what is our society.. a building without society..
and to believe that you will be like a unbreakable diamond knife that cut through all moral ethics.. well then.. you must feel like your that much higher then society..
deal that people have opinions, and some people are very very stubborn..
we as doctors/soon to be doctors have the duty to help our patients and tell them our 'expert' opinions on situations. But we are doctors.. no gods... we are not always right.. and we are not all knowing... because of that.. we have no right to push our opinions of what is ethical on others.

Great point!
 
ethics... knowing that everything is morally wrong..
enjoy your ban :laugh:

some people need a crotch.. ethics are lies that humans created to make ourselves feel better and slightly above animal.
ethics from things like thou shall not kill.. to thou shall not covet someone's wife..
without ethics.. what is our society.. a building without society..
and to believe that you will be like a unbreakable diamond knife that cut through all moral ethics.. well then.. you must feel like your that much higher then society..
deal that people have opinions, and some people are very very stubborn..
we as doctors/soon to be doctors have the duty to help our patients and tell them our 'expert' opinions on situations. But we are doctors.. no gods... we are not always right.. and we are not all knowing... because of that.. we have no right to push our opinions of what is ethical on others.
Yeah, you don't force your opinions and POV on others and expect them to follow it. However, when it arises, theres nothing wrong with debating what is right and what is wrong or defending one point of view over another.
 
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