Would you still want to be a doctor if doctors had a minimum salary of $700,000?

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I would. I think I could still feed my family.

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..yeah, not quite sure what the original poster is getting at... but if that's the way it was, why in the world would I be complaining?? 😕
 
oh, im sure my trophy wife could find a way to burn $700K easily ...

assuming you meant $70K, do a search. most people will, but many would like to see a reduction in medical school cost. id still do it, b/c i am just cooler.
 
a year? Or your entire career??? 😱
🙂
 
The true bleeding heart liberals would say yes, but with the caveat that they would give most of it away, you know like Michael Moore does with his money, champion of the common man that he is and all.
 
Better question: Would you still want to be a doctor if they socialized medicine?
 
Seriously, I could live on $50,000.
 
I could live on less but the point is I dont want to. The question you need to ask yourself is would you want to? If you do we can arrange something. Give me the "extra money" and ill manage it for you. All these liberals blab but it is only a hypothetical. I want to see someone have the balls to do it.

The other option give most of it to charity related to medicine and help improve the health care of the uninsured. No one here is willing to do that. All they do it pay it lip service.

If they made tuition zero and maybe a stipend of a $1500 a month, and a salary in the 50K range much fewer people would be interested in the field. Actually if you are interested in a deal like that.... The military offers it. Go Join... :laugh: I know they recruit at all med schools and thats basically what they offer. Plus their match is way easier.
 
You mean $70K, right? not $700K. The overwhelming majority of physicians don't make anywhere close to $700K.
 
i could live easily on 20k.

man... what would i do with 700k a year?? i guess try to help ppl as best i can..... i dunno...
 
Ten steps to clearer thinking

1) pay for undergrad college
2) pay for mcat, amcas, secondaries, travel, and interview expenses
3) pay for 4 years of medical school
4) receive pennies for three years of abuse (residency)
5) work in the world of HMO medicine and malpractice insurance
6) meet a man/woman who wants a house and children
7) pay for house, car, car-life-health-dental insurance, and bills
8) pay two or three college tuitions
9) listen to family complain about wanting a vacation/pay for vacation
10) take a look at the thing you wrote twenty years early about being "perfectly content" working 60 hrs a week for 20k/year.

Granted, I'm not in this for the money, nope, not the types of medicine I'm interested in. But friends in the real world as well as people on this board talk as if they'd be happy as pigs in slop earning less than a high school dropout while $200 in debt. What scares me is that these people vote.

We should all revisit this thread while we're in the midsts of our careers, he he. Wait, we won't have time.

stupid emoticon: 😱
 
Super Rob said:
Ten steps to clearer thinking

1) pay for undergrad college
2) pay for mcat, amcas, secondaries, travel, and interview expenses
3) pay for 4 years of medical school
4) receive pennies for three years of abuse (residency)
5) work in the world of HMO medicine and malpractice insurance
6) meet a man/woman who wants a house and children
7) pay for house, car, car-life-health-dental insurance, and bills
8) pay two or three college tuitions
9) listen to family complain about wanting a vacation/pay for vacation
10) take a look at the thing you wrote twenty years early about being "perfectly content" working 60 hrs a week for 20k/year.

Granted, I'm not in this for the money, nope, not the types of medicine I'm interested in. But friends in the real world as well as people on this board talk as if they'd be happy as pigs in slop earning less than a high school dropout while $200 in debt. What scares me is that these people vote.

We should all revisit this thread while we're in the midsts of our careers, he he. Wait, we won't have time.

stupid emoticon: 😱
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what scares me is that ppl like YOU vote.

look at me. im some punk that has been out of undergrad for a year, making 50k a year. I have NO LOANS, NO FAMILY, I am NOT in med skoo yet, health insurance is free...

wanna look at real things, 150k house 6%,30yrs is 8600 a yr, a 20k new car is 3900 a yr, now granted there are certainly more expenses than these but these are the major ones, and if i was makin 20k then i wouldnt have bought such a house and car anyways, could get a nice car or van for 3000(583 a yr) or less, and a decent house for around 80k(4600 a yr) or so...

sure if i had a family i had to provide for, 200k+ in loans, etc etc to pay for, then yea more money would be a blessing, but if you were only making 20k as a doc, then there had better be a bunch of changes, like health insurance benefits, no loans, no malprac insurance, etc etc...

something you should remember as you are making all of your "dream bucks"... the more you have, the more you are accustomed to, so the more you will spend, and the less you will save. i.e. dont let your standard of living get out of control, there are ppl in the usa right now that "get by" on 5k...

btw i am not liberal... im christian heheh :laugh:
 
Super Rob said:
What scares me is that these people vote.
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:laugh: simply a classic line. One of my favorites



You know, I'm living quite happily right now on 20K/year as well (being a medical student and all) in a rental house in a great neighborhood. But in the future when I get married and want my own house in a safe neighborhood, along with kids and the desire to raise them, I'd like to have the financial means to do so WITHOUT WORRY. After taxes and other costs of living, anything under $100,000 doesn't look so wonderful anymore
 
cooldreams said:
whats the problem with that?? im doing it right now actually.. 🙂
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where the fsck do you live? I was in Philly making 25 for 2 yrs. Things were tight.
 
phllystyl said:
where the fsck do you live? I was in Philly making 25 for 2 yrs. Things were tight.
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well actually im talking 20k AFTER taxes... and i live in kcmo. jus like my name says 🙂...
 
cooldreams said:
what scares me is that ppl like YOU vote.

look at me. im some punk that has been out of undergrad for a year, making 50k a year. I have NO LOANS, NO FAMILY, I am NOT in med skoo yet, health insurance is free...

wanna look at real things, 150k house 6%,30yrs is 8600 a yr, a 20k new car is 3900 a yr, now granted there are certainly more expenses than these but these are the major ones, and if i was makin 20k then i wouldnt have bought such a house and car anyways, could get a nice car or van for 3000(583 a yr) or less, and a decent house for around 80k(4600 a yr) or so...

sure if i had a family i had to provide for, 200k+ in loans, etc etc to pay for, then yea more money would be a blessing, but if you were only making 20k as a doc, then there had better be a bunch of changes, like health insurance benefits, no loans, no malprac insurance, etc etc...

something you should remember as you are making all of your "dream bucks"... the more you have, the more you are accustomed to, so the more you will spend, and the less you will save. i.e. dont let your standard of living get out of control, there are ppl in the usa right now that "get by" on 5k...

btw i am not liberal... im christian heheh :laugh:
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Kid, you are pretty naive. Talk to us after you finish residency. Feel free to give all of your income to charity once you are an attending and then we will be impressed by how much of a free spirit you are. By the way, did you ever stop to think that other parts of the country are a lot more expensive then Kansas?
 
Masonator said:
Kid, you are pretty naive. Talk to us after you finish residency. Feel free to give all of your income to charity once you are an attending and then we will be impressed by how much of a free spirit you are. By the way, did you ever stop to think that other parts of the country are a lot more expensive then Kansas?
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actually, kcmo stands for kansas city MISSOURI... and the standard of living index is about 100, meaning it is about average. so... take the 20k and muliply it by the percentage sl index and you will have your approx 20k equivalent in that "more expensive" part of the country you are talking about. sorry if my naivity has bored/confused/upset you in anyway 😛 heheheh
 
Super Rob said:
Ten steps to clearer thinking

1) pay for undergrad college
2) pay for mcat, amcas, secondaries, travel, and interview expenses
3) pay for 4 years of medical school
4) receive pennies for three years of abuse (residency)
5) work in the world of HMO medicine and malpractice insurance
6) meet a man/woman who wants a house and children
7) pay for house, car, car-life-health-dental insurance, and bills
8) pay two or three college tuitions
9) listen to family complain about wanting a vacation/pay for vacation
10) take a look at the thing you wrote twenty years early about being "perfectly content" working 60 hrs a week for 20k/year.

Granted, I'm not in this for the money, nope, not the types of medicine I'm interested in. But friends in the real world as well as people on this board talk as if they'd be happy as pigs in slop earning less than a high school dropout while $200 in debt. What scares me is that these people vote.

We should all revisit this thread while we're in the midsts of our careers, he he. Wait, we won't have time.

stupid emoticon: 😱
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great post man. these self-hating soon to be upperclassers really scare me. there is no other profession in the world where students act so offended by their future money. i know artists, teachers etc. who all want every penny they can get for their services. that's the american way. i'm going into medicine b/c i can think of no finer way to make a good living than by helping the sick. i consider that pretty idealistic. however, if you take the make a good living part out, than i'd probably have to find something else.
 
cooldreams said:
actually, kcmo stands for kansas city MISSOURI... and the standard of living index is about 100, meaning it is about average. so... take the 20k and muliply it by the percentage sl index and you will have your approx 20k equivalent in that "more expensive" part of the country you are talking about. sorry if my naivity has bored/confused/upset you in anyway 😛 heheheh
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Kansas City is one of the least expensive cities to live in in the US. Your standard of living number is skewed as rural areas bring down the average. Most cities on the coasts are much more expensive. Many midwestern cities are also more expensive. Thanks for clearing up the math for me, I was having trouble figuring out how 20,000 is a good standard of living in San Francisco, Boston, and New York.
 
I think most people would consider income to be a factor in their career choice but I don't know many in any field that would say they don't also enjoy what they do, or not like the perceived numerous other benefits of their job.

I have a friend who got her degree in social work, and she is currently looking for something that pays above the norml in her field. Is she going it purely for the money? Of course not, social work does not pay very well and she would be better served elsewhere. Is she completely altruistic? Not really, she is not looking to work in inner cities for minimal wage. What she wants to do is be paid above average for her field which is what I think that's what most people are hoping for.....they pick a field they enjoy, and try to get positions that pay above the norm in that field (granted I say many, not all, there are numerous reasons for picking a job, and everyone has slightly different motivations, but I am generalizing here).

That is why high paying residencies are competitive....some may be motivated by money, but I think many are also motivated by the general idea that they want to help people, but they also want to be compensated above the norm. The students who want to match into derm, or rad are no more selfish or altruistic than my social work friend who is hoping to get a well paying job at a surburban school working for $40,000 helping kids.

I don't see much difference whether one is "liberal" or "conservatives", both have different views on money distribution but I doubt either is morally superior or less hypocritical of their choices in medicine than the other.
 
I made some generalizations in my post, and that's what I intended. The figure I threw in (20k) came from my biased prospective of what it costs to live where I'm from. And where I'm from, the paperboy makes 20k.

I don't make much more right now 😀

And if I wanted a nice place and a car that could get me around, and maybe a wife and children, better insurance, and a gadget or two, I would need to make a lot more than I'm making now.

Physicians make comfortable salaries across the board, making medicine a particularly attractive field for people who like to help people AND put a roof over their heads. Same with fields like nursing or pharmacy.

I'm drawn to medicine because it offers the sort of career I am after as well as security. People (mostly people in my life who do not post on sdn) sometimes lecture me on money being the root of all evil (never heard of that before) and more specifically on how wanting to help people and wanting to make money present a conflict of interest.

I disagree wholeheartedly with the latter.

Mr. Rosewater made some fine points, although I don't consider my former post a good one... specifically cuz it got some people angry. But we're all going to accumulate debt in these next few years, and we're going to give a lot of ourselves in our careers. It is vital to the future of our profession that we are reimbursed appropriately. We deserve the same quality of life as our friends in other professions that require a shorter and less expensive education. How else will medicine continue to attract the best and brightest, just like other fields attract their best and brightests prospects? While some people would give up some or much of the what they are capable of earning with their professional degree if only to stay in their profession, there are others who would simply find something else to do if it meant being more able to support a family or a desired lifestyle. And you cannot blame them. It would be inapropriate to support any legistlation that would threaten their salaries and effectively push them out of the field (that is the fear that inspired my voting comment - my apologies if it seemed really nasty the way I put it).

If your friend, who had a child to support, was trying to decide between let's say dentistry and his dream job of dressing up as a clown and making baloon animals for children, what would you tell him?

Or, if you and your friend both worked at McDonalds earning a dollar above miniumum wage and you overheard your friend say "Hey, we really don't NEED this extra dollar," would you be a little concerned?

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cooldreams said:
what scares me is that ppl like YOU vote.

look at me. im some punk that has been out of undergrad for a year, making 50k a year. I have NO LOANS, NO FAMILY, I am NOT in med skoo yet, health insurance is free...

wanna look at real things, 150k house 6%,30yrs is 8600 a yr, a 20k new car is 3900 a yr, now granted there are certainly more expenses than these but these are the major ones, and if i was makin 20k then i wouldnt have bought such a house and car anyways, could get a nice car or van for 3000(583 a yr) or less, and a decent house for around 80k(4600 a yr) or so...

sure if i had a family i had to provide for, 200k+ in loans, etc etc to pay for, then yea more money would be a blessing, but if you were only making 20k as a doc, then there had better be a bunch of changes, like health insurance benefits, no loans, no malprac insurance, etc etc...

something you should remember as you are making all of your "dream bucks"... the more you have, the more you are accustomed to, so the more you will spend, and the less you will save. i.e. dont let your standard of living get out of control, there are ppl in the usa right now that "get by" on 5k...

btw i am not liberal... im christian heheh :laugh:
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But the point is that generally people do get a family, loans, house, 2 cars (plus one for each kid at 16), kids college, retirement savings (like we could depend on SS to be around in 40 years), food, taxes, property taxes, income taxes, social security taxes, medicare taxes, sales taxes, miscellaneous expenses, charity, more taxes, clothing, health ins premiums for the family, yet more taxes, car maintenance, home maintenance, personal spending... I could go on and on. Would you like to pay that on 20k a year, after giving up 12 years of your life post college to make less than a HS graduate that has had 12 years to move up the corporate ladder?

Additionally, I'd hate to have you as a doc when your $3000 van or car broke down on the side of the road on the way to the hospital. Also, lets be realistic, in most areas of the country you cannot get a shack in the ghetto for 80k or even 150k, so good luck with that. You'd most likely be living in a van down by the river with Chris Farley.
 
dude, you are wronger than wrong....

do you know what the intest alone is on 200K of medschool debt?
I didnt think so. A 5% yes FIVE percent, your interest alone is 10K a year.
And so you are living on 20K a year after taxes right now. I am living on about 18 and it is totaly comfortable. But I have free health insurance, no kids, no wife, and i have no savings. You think you can save for retirement on 20K a year?? You think your helth insurance is going to stay free? Do you know what it will be when you are 65?? Do you plan on having children to pay for? or are you just going to have them mowing laws at age 11 to pay for their own college?

Do you know that assuming you can live on 20K a year of after tax dollars through retirement, which you cannot unless you were military and have some amazing benifit package, you will need at least 300K set aside to gerentate a reliable 20K a year after tax? where are you going to get 300K worth of principal to generate you retierment income on 20K a year? since 10K a year will keep you 200K in debt, an extra 10K a year would get you out of debt in 20 years. So now you are 50, you put 20K a year into savings and my age 65 five you have your so called nest egg, which will generate 20K a year. you just made it, you paid off your debt and saved for retierment. Oh i forgot, you also had ZERO dollars to live on for the past 35 years. But that should be easy right?

Did you the level of income that gives you the distiction "in poverty" in a four person family is 19K? And this is more people without 200K of med school debt.


You need to get serious about your future. Leaving this sort of thing up to chance is DANGEROUS. You will end up on welfare and i will be paying for you to live, and it will cost me alot more than 20K a year.

The reason it is scary that you vote is that you have thought through none of this.

if you had malpracitce, loans ect more money would not be a blessing it is neccesary, period.

cooldreams said:
could get a nice car or van for 3000(583 a yr) or less, and a decent house for around 80k(4600 a yr) or so...

sure if i had a family i had to provide for, 200k+ in loans, etc etc to pay for, then yea more money would be a blessing, but if you were only making 20k as a doc, then there had better be a bunch of changes, like health insurance benefits, no loans, no malprac insurance, etc etc...

something you should remember as you are making all of your "dream bucks"... the more you have, the more you are accustomed to, so the more you will spend, and the less you will save. i.e. dont let your standard of living get out of control, there are ppl in the usa right now that "get by" on 5k...

btw i am not liberal... im christian heheh :laugh:
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those people getting by on 5k a year eat out of dumptsers. The averge homeless person will collect 5K a year by begging. about 13 bucks a day. or a little less than a dollar an hour.
 
Super Rob said:
I made some generalizations in my post, and that's what I intended. The figure I threw in (20k) came from my biased prospective of what it costs to live where I'm from. And where I'm from, the paperboy makes 20k.

I don't make much more right now 😀

And if I wanted a nice place and a car that could get me around, and maybe a wife and children, better insurance, and a gadget or two, I would need to make a lot more than I'm making now.

Physicians make comfortable salaries across the board, making medicine a particularly attractive field for people who like to help people AND put a roof over their heads. Same with fields like nursing or pharmacy.

I'm drawn to medicine because it offers the sort of career I am after as well as security. People (mostly people in my life who do not post on sdn) sometimes lecture me on money being the root of all evil (never heard of that before) and more specifically on how wanting to help people and wanting to make money present a conflict of interest.

I disagree wholeheartedly with the latter.

Mr. Rosewater made some fine points, although I don't consider my former post a good one... specifically cuz it got some people angry. But we're all going to accumulate debt in these next few years, and we're going to give a lot of ourselves in our careers. It is vital to the future of our profession that we are reimbursed appropriately. We deserve the same quality of life as our friends in other professions that require a shorter and less expensive education. How else will medicine continue to attract the best and brightest, just like other fields attract their best and brightests prospects? While some people would give up some or much of the what they are capable of earning with their professional degree if only to stay in their profession, there are others who would simply find something else to do if it meant being more able to support a family or a desired lifestyle. And you cannot blame them. It would be inapropriate to support any legistlation that would threaten their salaries and effectively push them out of the field (that is the fear that inspired my voting comment - my apologies if it seemed really nasty the way I put it).

If your friend, who had a child to support, was trying to decide between let's say dentistry and his dream job of dressing up as a clown and making baloon animals for children, what would you tell him?

Or, if you and your friend both worked at McDonalds earning a dollar above miniumum wage and you overheard your friend say "Hey, we really don't NEED this extra dollar," would you be a little concerned?

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respectable post, but i would still like to add comment.

i think it takes a certain kind of person to go into medicine. maybe not for the money, maybe not because they are better or worse than someone else in something, but not everyone wants to be a doctor. some of the smartest people i know are engineers making 40-60k working in various areas.

additionally, i dont think it is a fair thing to say that because we have a longer residency or schooling, that we should thusly assume more compensation. give the same philosophy to any number of PhD scientists working for 30k who have been in school making no money longer than any of us (residency you are already making 30-50k, 4 yrs of med school vs 5+ yrs of PhD school)... or try to force your philosophy on Bill Gates who inherited several million when he turned like 21 or something. He quit college(undergrad) and instantly had more money than probablly most of the doctors out there today at that young age. the only place you are going to see the value of your long hours is in your heart and in someone else's eyes when you just saved their sinking ship of a world from going down. how much do you value a human life? 20k?(salary of social service worker who helped someone get hope, and probablly enough hope to not commit suicide the next day), 50k(approx salary of parameds who save lives everyday), 100k?? how about 200k (approx salary of EM docs who also save lives everyday). or how about any number of people in between.......... like a priest who vows no family, and has gone to undergrad/grad/and lots and lots and lots and lots of volunteer things who then is compensated with a place to sleep and enough food to get by - thats it.

we all do different jobs for different reasons. we here are attempting to do what most ppl either dont want to do or cannot do for whatever reason, and are lucky enough to be here in the usa where they pay very for this service. and to make sure we do this very difficult job right, we are slammed with extra training, upon extra training, upon extra training.

I am not saying i would like to do without all of that extra money. i am not saying that at all, what i am saying is that i COULD if need be given my PRESENT situation. If i were an ob doc right out of residency, i do not think that i COULD do it on 20k. on 20k i couldnt afford all of the things that the laws of this land have dictated we HAVE to do to work as a doc. if the laws changed, then that would open up the possibility for a doc to work on 20k a yr...
 
hightrump said:
dude, you are wronger than wrong....

do you know what the intest alone is on 200K of medschool debt?
I didnt think so. A 5% yes FIVE percent, your interest alone is 10K a year.
And so you are living on 20K a year after taxes right now. I am living on about 18 and it is totaly comfortable. But I have free health insurance, no kids, no wife, and i have no savings. You think you can save for retirement on 20K a year?? You think your helth insurance is going to stay free? Do you know what it will be when you are 65?? Do you plan on having children to pay for? or are you just going to have them mowing laws at age 11 to pay for their own college?

Do you know that assuming you can live on 20K a year of after tax dollars through retirement, which you cannot unless you were military and have some amazing benifit package, you will need at least 300K set aside to gerentate a reliable 20K a year after tax? where are you going to get 300K worth of principal to generate you retierment income on 20K a year? since 10K a year will keep you 200K in debt, an extra 10K a year would get you out of debt in 20 years. So now you are 50, you put 20K a year into savings and my age 65 five you have your so called nest egg, which will generate 20K a year. you just made it, you paid off your debt and saved for retierment. Oh i forgot, you also had ZERO dollars to live on for the past 35 years. But that should be easy right?

Did you the level of income that gives you the distiction "in poverty" in a four person family is 19K? And this is more people without 200K of med school debt.


You need to get serious about your future. Leaving this sort of thing up to chance is DANGEROUS. You will end up on welfare and i will be paying for you to live, and it will cost me alot more than 20K a year.

The reason it is scary that you vote is that you have thought through none of this.

if you had malpracitce, loans ect more money would not be a blessing it is neccesary, period.



those people getting by on 5k a year eat out of dumptsers. The averge homeless person will collect 5K a year by begging. about 13 bucks a day. or a little less than a dollar an hour.
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wow that would suck to still be paying on your med student loans when you are retired... 😕


"do you know what the intest alone is on 200K of medschool debt?" how does that at all relate to my present situation?? it does not... your post has no relivance.... :meanie:

"Did you the level of income that gives you the distiction "in poverty" in a four person family is 19K? And this is more people without 200K of med school debt." man this is boring, see above response.............

lets look at what i typed(assuming you CAN read) before we go on here... and i quote "look at me. im some punk that has been out of undergrad for a year, making 50k a year. I have NO LOANS, NO FAMILY, I am NOT in med skoo yet, health insurance is free..."

furthermore, if you kept reading (again assuming you can), "sure if i had a family i had to provide for, 200k+ in loans, etc etc to pay for, then yea more money would be a blessing, but if you were only making 20k as a doc, then there had better be a bunch of changes, like health insurance benefits, no loans, no malprac insurance, etc etc..."

so we see how 1) you are preaching to the choir because i agree that you cannot live on 20k with the current situation docs are in and 2) you either cannot read or you cannot comprehend what you read because surely you would not make such a fool of yourself by telling me "how it is" in light of what i already posted............

heheh ok ok... this post is a bit of a trolling post... so... you may want to disregard 😛
 
when you say " more money would be a blessing" if you DID have to pay all the mentioned things. it implys you think it would possible to do it without that "blessing"

but im not going to argue over this sort of thing if we are clear now that 20K wont cut it. even if med school was free, you would still have NO time or extra money to save for reteirment. If you are also assuming reteiment would be included then who knows. you can take it, i wont.
 
It would seem to me that if you really cared about helping others you would want to make as much money as possible and then give it away as you see fit, not how the government sees fit.

Remember, money is not the root of all evil, the love of money is the root of all evil.
 
hightrump said:
dude, you are wronger than wrong....

do you know what the intest alone is on 200K of medschool debt?
I didnt think so. A 5% yes FIVE percent, your interest alone is 10K a year.
And so you are living on 20K a year after taxes right now. I am living on about 18 and it is totaly comfortable. But I have free health insurance, no kids, no wife, and i have no savings. You think you can save for retirement on 20K a year?? You think your helth insurance is going to stay free? Do you know what it will be when you are 65?? Do you plan on having children to pay for? or are you just going to have them mowing laws at age 11 to pay for their own college?

Do you know that assuming you can live on 20K a year of after tax dollars through retirement, which you cannot unless you were military and have some amazing benifit package, you will need at least 300K set aside to gerentate a reliable 20K a year after tax? where are you going to get 300K worth of principal to generate you retierment income on 20K a year? since 10K a year will keep you 200K in debt, an extra 10K a year would get you out of debt in 20 years. So now you are 50, you put 20K a year into savings and my age 65 five you have your so called nest egg, which will generate 20K a year. you just made it, you paid off your debt and saved for retierment. Oh i forgot, you also had ZERO dollars to live on for the past 35 years. But that should be easy right?

Did you the level of income that gives you the distiction "in poverty" in a four person family is 19K? And this is more people without 200K of med school debt.


You need to get serious about your future. Leaving this sort of thing up to chance is DANGEROUS. You will end up on welfare and i will be paying for you to live, and it will cost me alot more than 20K a year.

The reason it is scary that you vote is that you have thought through none of this.

if you had malpracitce, loans ect more money would not be a blessing it is neccesary, period.



those people getting by on 5k a year eat out of dumptsers. The averge homeless person will collect 5K a year by begging. about 13 bucks a day. or a little less than a dollar an hour.
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"A 5% yes FIVE percent, your interest alone is 10K a year." im sorry, i did not even bother to evaluate this sentence because like reading, i assumed you could add. Parameters - 200k loan, 5% interest, 12 month payment per year, 30 yr note... Monthly payment comes to about $860, and yearly that is about $10500. I am at a loss as to where you got that as being equal to 10000 in interest per year. perhaps you were refereing to how your first payments will be much more interest than principle, but it is not that way all the way through, and definitely will not be 10000 for one year ever.

have a great day... just try not to think to hard 🙂
 
Should there be a "no posting unless you've actually matriculated to medical school" rule for this thread?
 
orthoman5000 said:
It would seem to me that if you really cared about helping others you would want to make as much money as possible and then give it away as you see fit, not how the government sees fit.

Remember, money is not the root of all evil, the love of money is the root of all evil.
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heh dood...

then if LOVE of money = (all evil)^1/2
and girls = time and (they) love money
and time = (increase desire leading to the) love of money
then .. hehehee :meanie:
 
orthoman5000 said:
Should there be a "no posting unless you've actually matriculated to medical school" rule for this thread?
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What relevance would it serve when the discussion is focused on life AFTER RESIDENCY?? a better rule would be no posting unless you are in residency and looking towards where you might work at..

:meanie:
 
orthoman5000 said:
Should there be a "no posting unless you've actually matriculated to medical school" rule for this thread?
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No, that would preclude a 30+ premed who has been out of school for years paying bills and working in the real world from sharing her perspective.
 
Super Rob said:
No, that would preclude a 30+ premed who has been out of school for years paying bills and working in the real world from sharing her perspective.
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O.K., they can post. Just not 18-22 year old idealistic naive pre-meds.
 
orthoman5000 said:
O.K., they can post. Just not 18-22 year old idealistic naive pre-meds.
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hehe... i would like to refer back to my previous post "What relevance would it serve when the discussion is focused on life AFTER RESIDENCY?? a better rule would be no posting unless you are in residency and looking towards where you might work at.."

anyways.. im 24 🙂 just turned 24 last month.....

:meanie:
 
EctopicFetus said:
I could live on less but the point is I dont want to. The question you need to ask yourself is would you want to? If you do we can arrange something. Give me the "extra money" and ill manage it for you. All these liberals blab but it is only a hypothetical. I want to see someone have the balls to do it.

The other option give most of it to charity related to medicine and help improve the health care of the uninsured. No one here is willing to do that. All they do it pay it lip service.

If they made tuition zero and maybe a stipend of a $1500 a month, and a salary in the 50K range much fewer people would be interested in the field. Actually if you are interested in a deal like that.... The military offers it. Go Join... :laugh: I know they recruit at all med schools and thats basically what they offer. Plus their match is way easier.
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😕 I don't see what's so funny or what's to get all cynical about.

Of course I could use the "extra money." Especially coming from my background...any money I make is a blessing. And I literally mean it. I have no intentions on giving it to you or any charity, heck my family is charity enough. All I was saying was that I could live on a little, like I am now, and would truly appreciate getting any more. It would be awesome if we got $700K minimum.

Oh, and btw, I was planning on joining the military cuz I so desperately needed the money, wanted to serve the country, but turned it down because I wanted a little more control over my future, thanks very much.
 
In light of the tremendous educational debt, interminably long and rigorous training period, and extraordinary challenges of medical practice (e.g., doctors being held to impossibly high standards, constant threat of medical malpractice, insurance hassles, etc.), there's no freakin way I would become a doctor for a future income of 70K/yr. Doctors earn a lot of money because they DESERVE it.
 
I'm glad that physician reimbursements are not decided by 22 year old idealistic pre-med jesus freaks. I know, we could all live on a Christian commune after we finish residency. That way we have no mortgage, and we don't have to pay any taxes. We can get a religious cult status. We can have so many children that the welfare checks alone can support all of our medical school loan payments. Then we can work for substandard wages at free healthcare clinics. Who's with me. We can set up our first religious compound outside of Kansas City Missouri!! Cooldream, I'm nominating you as our high priest. We can even stockpile guns and ammunition! If this is the plan, I'll work for 20,000 per year. I'll need many wives so that we can have enough children to get about 4,000 per month in welfare. Then I can take care of business. We can also farm and sing folk music together.

Weeeeeeee!!!
 
Masonator said:
I'm glad that physician reimbursements are not decided by 22 year old idealistic pre-med jesus freaks. I know, we could all live on a Christian commune after we finish residency. That way we have no mortgage, and we don't have to pay any taxes. We can get a religious cult status. We can have so many children that the welfare checks alone can support all of our medical school loan payments. Then we can work for substandard wages at free healthcare clinics. Who's with me. We can set up our first religious compound outside of Kansas City Missouri!! Cooldream, I'm nominating you as our high priest. We can even stockpile guns and ammunition! If this is the plan, I'll work for 20,000 per year. I'll need many wives so that we can have enough children to get about 4,000 per month in welfare. Then I can take care of business. We can also farm and sing folk music together.

Weeeeeeee!!!
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harsh dood... guess thas what happens when you dont have God in your life though... but... thas also your choice.... 😉
 
orthoman5000 said:
It would seem to me that if you really cared about helping others you would want to make as much money as possible and then give it away as you see fit, not how the government sees fit.

Remember, money is not the root of all evil, the love of money is the root of all evil.
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it is interesting to note even given the origin of the quote, this is not the first sin......
 
cooldreams said:
harsh dood... guess thas what happens when you dont have God in your life though... but... thas also your choice.... 😉
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How do you know that God isn't in my life? I'm not an atheist. Honestly I don't think there is anything wrong with communes either. Trying to mix our medical system with that philosophy is a separate issue.

You have to be careful when you go trolling...
 
hightrump said:
when you say " more money would be a blessing" if you DID have to pay all the mentioned things. it implys you think it would possible to do it without that "blessing"

but im not going to argue over this sort of thing if we are clear now that 20K wont cut it. even if med school was free, you would still have NO time or extra money to save for reteirment. If you are also assuming reteiment would be included then who knows. you can take it, i wont.
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well.. yes, 20k would still be do-able.. heh.. at just 20k you are more than likely going to qualify for a LARGE number of programs/deferments that at 200k you would not qualify for. furthermore depending on the specialty, you may be able to eliminate loan altogether, or you could also just join the army or peace corps or practice outside of the usa. yes if you were trying to AVOID more than 20k, keep a family, and still work as a doc, legally, and healthy, it is still possible... not sure why you would want to though... but.. eh...
 
Masonator said:
How do you know that God isn't in my life? I'm not an atheist. Honestly I don't think there is anything wrong with communes either. Trying to mix our medical system with that philosophy is a separate issue.

You have to be careful when you go trolling...
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just for reference... who first brought up the subject of God? hmmmm?? ill give ya a tad bit of a hint "I'm glad that physician reimbursements are not decided by 22 year old idealistic pre-med jesus freaks."

ok then...

now to your question "How do you know that God isn't in my life?" well, i dont know. you are the one who knows wether or not, and you told me. and so i am left to either "naively" believe you or not.
 
elias514 said:
In light of the tremendous educational debt, interminably long and rigorous training period, and extraordinary challenges of medical practice (e.g., doctors being held to impossibly high standards, constant threat of medical malpractice, insurance hassles, etc.), there's no freakin way I would become a doctor for a future income of 70K/yr. Doctors earn a lot of money because they DESERVE it.
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deserving = subjective

:meanie:
 
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