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it's insane. i agree totally with the guy that got banned. it's lame how that stuff happens but some people always feel the need to show authority when it is available to them. sadly, this authority lies only within SDN.
 
This isn't an issue of showing authority. If someone comes on here, violates the TOS, is warned, but continues, then a banning is in order. If someone comes on here & immediately is posting inflammatory statements, that's trolling and they're gone. If you're on post-hold or banned and come back to make more noise, you're gone again & your IP may end up being blocked.

That said, if one of these ban-ees comes back & posts without being trollish or whining about "injustice" then they can go on posting...in other words, we don't go looking for them.
 
Umm, the guy got put on post hold for saying that derogatory phrase with his first username. While on post hold he reregistered to post things, this is against the rules and leads to an automatic banning regardless of the content of his posts. If he hadn't used that particular slur on his first post and had waited the week or whatever post hold time, he would have no problem at all.
 
DrMom said:
This isn't an issue of showing authority. If someone comes on here, violates the TOS, is warned, but continues, then a banning is in order. If someone comes on here & immediately is posting inflammatory statements, that's trolling and they're gone. If you're on post-hold or banned and come back to make more noise, you're gone again & your IP may end up being blocked.

That said, if one of these ban-ees comes back & posts without being trollish or whining about "injustice" then they can go on posting...in other words, we don't go looking for them.
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e.g. Voldemort. R.I.P. Looks like somebody was looking for him.
 
DrMom said:
This isn't an issue of showing authority. If someone comes on here, violates the TOS, is warned, but continues, then a banning is in order. If someone comes on here & immediately is posting inflammatory statements, that's trolling and they're gone. If you're on post-hold or banned and come back to make more noise, you're gone again & your IP may end up being blocked.

That said, if one of these ban-ees comes back & posts without being trollish or whining about "injustice" then they can go on posting...in other words, we don't go looking for them.
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The issues is that his subsequent posts weren't trolling. Evo even said they werent. Why was he banned again given this fact?
 
Please re-read my post. If you're post-holded or banned & re-register to complain or continue trolling or otherwise make it obvious that you're the same person, you'll be banned.
 
DrMom said:
Please re-read my post. If you're post-holded or banned & re-register to complain or continue trolling or otherwise make it obvious that you're the same person, you'll be banned.
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I understand what you're saying, but I was just stating that it doesnt make sense why his second name was banned. He wasn't whining about injustice on SDN nor being trollish. See the following post:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2090984&postcount=51
 
I'll check into the history here. I was gone this weekend, so I missed the particulars.

Just know, though, that the policy is that if you re-register when banned/post-holded, you'll be banned again.
 
sacrament said:
This is what the guy posted when he re-registered:

http://forums.drslounge.com/showthread.php?t=166521

Now if that's trolling, then a good 50% of SDNers are trolls.
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The title of this post seems like it was designed to incite people into an angry reaction. For a person who has already been banned to post a title like that is questionable. I think that is what had people condemning his second post.
 
you know what i've always found interesting? those that have the most amount of complaining or writing elusive messages about the supposed "power trip" of a mod are the ones to take the last amount of action.

if you don't like the system either do something about it or get out.

that said, good luck with finals.
 
LJoo83 said:
if you don't like the system either do something about it or get out.
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I would love to do something about it but my options are very limited. If I tried to do something about it, I would probably get banned or the thread would get closed. Secondly, I am not going to "get out" because I think that SDN is too valuable right now to just leave. There are many things that I don't like about it but I think the positives outweigh the negatives here.
 
Dude, Evo, you need to take a pill, brother!

You're not representing Texas well at all, man. At the rate you're going you won't even be invited to the Houston SDN Xmas Get Together with a Special Guest.

👎

:laugh:
 
well, I for one, am glad to see that our babysitters, er, moderators are regulating. Too many trolls around finals time and too many irrelevant threads for this forum. 👍 to the mods.
 
It would be completely pointless to moderate this site if any user banned or post-held for poor behavior were to be allowed to re-register under another username and be allowed to continue posting unless they misbehaved. We as mods have to be consistent and ban any second identities, or there would be no accountability on SDN. How would you like it if someone flamed you, was banned, and then came back the next day with a new username? We have to enforce the TOS with regards to the user, not the account.

Whether you believe it or not, Evo's enforcement of the trolling policy is not for personal reasons. He is here, as all of us mods are here, to facilitate an environment for discussion of topics relevant to our areas. When trolling begins to undermine the usefulness of the board as an information exchange site, something has to be done. It's not an easy job to do, and I personally appreciate how hard Evo has worked to improve this area. When I consider how much lip he has had to put up with through it all, it really shows me how much he cares about the quality of SDN users experiences.
 
bananaface said:
How would you like it if someone flamed you, was banned, and then came back the next day with a new username? We have to enforce the TOS with regards to the user, not the account.
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So how long is acceptable for a formerly banned user or someone who's IP address has been blocked to come back and post?
 
MadameLULU said:
So how long is acceptable for a formerly banned user or someone who's IP address has been blocked to come back and post?
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No set policy. If they come back & behave & don't make reference to being a retuning ban-ee, then they won't draw any attention to themselves.
 
Elysium said:
Dude, Evo, you need to take a pill, brother!

You're not representing Texas well at all, man. At the rate you're going you won't even be invited to the Houston SDN Xmas Get Together with a Special Guest.

👎

:laugh:
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All will be related in detail. Tell Special Guest that all is not as it seems. 😉
 
VPDcurt said:
I would love to do something about it but my options are very limited. If I tried to do something about it, I would probably get banned or the thread would get closed. Secondly, I am not going to "get out" because I think that SDN is too valuable right now to just leave. There are many things that I don't like about it but I think the positives outweigh the negatives here.
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You are definitely not powerless. If you see a bad post, you can always use the "Report Bad Post" option to bring the situation to the moderators attention. I personally like it when bad posts are reported, because it gives me another perspective on the situation and provides support for my decision, should the situation require action. When bad posts are reported right away, it can also help keep a thread from devolving, by alerting the moderator(s) to the problem.

Also, if there is a general issue that concerns you, you can always PM the mods. Any input that helps us to facilitate discussion more effectively is valuble to us, and appreciated.
 
Question: do the TOS rules apply to Mods also? Just curious. Ain't trying to single anyone out but just look at some of their posts. Some are subtle TOS violations and some are blatant. I for one want to know...Who's moderating the moderators?

bananaface said:
It would be completely pointless to moderate this site if any user banned or post-held for poor behavior were to be allowed to re-register under another username and be allowed to continue posting unless they misbehaved. We as mods have to be consistent and ban any second identities, or there would be no accountability on SDN. How would you like it if someone flamed you, was banned, and then came back the next day with a new username? We have to enforce the TOS with regards to the user, not the account.

Whether you believe it or not, Evo's enforcement of the trolling policy is not for personal reasons. He is here, as all of us mods are here, to facilitate an environment for discussion of topics relevant to our areas. When trolling begins to undermine the usefulness of the board as an information exchange site, something has to be done. It's not an easy job to do, and I personally appreciate how hard Evo has worked to improve this area. When I consider how much lip he has had to put up with through it all, it really shows me how much he cares about the quality of SDN users experiences.
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This entire thread seems like a huge overreaction...

It seems like the only thing that the peeps complaining have is that their "sense of justice" has been offended. 🙄 There's plenty of things WAY more important than SDN to get up in a knot about...

Besides, from the look of it this guy didn't have any overly valuable info to add to SDN and he can still come and glance around and utilize the info on SDN...even if he can't post, right?
 
I think Evo and the rest of the mods are A-OK and I appreciate them trying to get rid of some of the nonsense in pre-allo. I wish this didn't have to be such a big deal, because all of these posts complaining are just adding to the nonsense. It sounds like Evo is just trying to follow the rules so that all the SDN'ers won't be annoyed by flaming and stupid posts.

If the original guy wants to be a contributing memeber of SDN, he needs to accept his punishment and start a new identity without any mention of his old identity and act as an appropriate member. It's ok to disagree, but outright rude comments and flaming will bring attention. After the first incident, it will take some time for people to see that he is being serious.

I have always known that if you break someone's trust or respect than you have to work to earn it. It's sort of the same thing - this guy wasn't very mature to begin with and made it worse by throwing a temper tantrum about it. He just needs to go low-key for awhile and the mods will forget about it in less than a week, unless he does some more trolling.
 
BigRedPingpong said:
Question: do the TOS rules apply to Mods also? Just curious. Ain't trying to single anyone out but just look at some of their posts. Some are subtle TOS violations and some are blatant. I for one want to know...Who's moderating the moderators?
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TOS applies to everyone. If you have a problem with something a moderator has posted, it is probably best to contact them directly by PM. If you are being unreasonable, of course they are going to decline to revise their post. If you feel they are being unreasonable, you can contact another moderator or a supermoderator. If you have a legitimate complaint it will be addressed.
 
Pre-allo has been moderated to point of utter sterilty. If that's what the majority of people here want (and considering the stereotypical pre-med, maybe it is), then cool. I don't use pre-allo for any purpose other than personal amusement, so it isn't any skin off my stiff upper lip. It's just that I've never seen an internet forum moderated in such an intense 24/7 manner before. The sheer quantity of moved posts, closed posts, and post-holded or banned users in pre-allo surely must exceed, on a daily and pre-capita basis, the amount done in every other forum on SDN put together. It's just sort of funny and I enjoy pointing out, and then repeatedly bringing up until the end of time, things I find funny.
 
VPDcurt said:
it's insane. i agree totally with the guy that got banned. it's lame how that stuff happens but some people always feel the need to show authority when it is available to them. sadly, this authority lies only within SDN.
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what happened? VPDcurt you seemed bitter about something last night..i guess i missed it all when i was absorbed in studying for my finals. who got banned and for what? 😕
 
RaistlinMajere said:
The title of this post seems like it was designed to incite people into an angry reaction. For a person who has already been banned to post a title like that is questionable. I think that is what had people condemning his second post.
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so even if you ask a question that you really want to know people's opinion of, if it is controversial in nature, you'll get banned?
 
bananaface said:
You are definitely not powerless. If you see a bad post, you can always use the "Report Bad Post" option to bring the situation to the moderators attention. I personally like it when bad posts are reported, because it gives me another perspective on the situation and provides support for my decision, should the situation require action. When bad posts are reported right away, it can also help keep a thread from devolving, by alerting the moderator(s) to the problem.

Also, if there is a general issue that concerns you, you can always PM the mods. Any input that helps us to facilitate discussion more effectively is valuble to us, and appreciated.
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Do moderators actually respond to "Report Bad Post" . The only mod I've ever see respond is Dr. Mom until now.
 
BigRedPingpong said:
Question: do the TOS rules apply to Mods also? Just curious. Ain't trying to single anyone out but just look at some of their posts. Some are subtle TOS violations and some are blatant. I for one want to know...Who's moderating the moderators?
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I always wondered how 'professional' the mods had to be. If I had such a position I doubt very much I'd be making sexual remarks to anyone. 😛
 
USCTex said:
This entire thread seems like a huge overreaction...

It seems like the only thing that the peeps complaining have is that their "sense of justice" has been offended. 🙄 There's plenty of things WAY more important than SDN to get up in a knot about...

Besides, from the look of it this guy didn't have any overly valuable info to add to SDN and he can still come and glance around and utilize the info on SDN...even if he can't post, right?
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Could someone please reference which thread you are talking about, since I missed the whole thing?
 
Elysium said:
Dude, Evo, you need to take a pill, brother!

You're not representing Texas well at all, man. At the rate you're going you won't even be invited to the Houston SDN Xmas Get Together with a Special Guest.

👎

:laugh:
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Completely disagree. Moderation is in order and Evo dishes it well.
 
MoosePilot said:
[thecompanyline]Completely disagree. Moderation is in order and Evo dishes it well.[/thecompanyline]
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He certainly dishes it in abundance. I guess casting a wide net is like having a diagnostic test with a high sensitivity but low specificity.
 
Psycho Doctor said:
wow!! oh that was the title of this thread. I responded to that thread thinking it was a totally legitimate post.
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It was.
 
I guess I haven't been on this website long enough to say whether or not the mods are overbearing (though since my start in September, I've felt they've been very fair), but I did want to comment on this particular person that got banned.

I don't know if you all saw his original post as "Greenspan," but it went well beyond offensive. People on this forum say things that other disagree with, and as a side effect there's offense taken, but this post by Greenspan was fully derrogatory, discriminatory, and completely useless. There was no opinion or explanation for his remarks. Merely raw slime spewing from his inflammatory post.

I personally am glad he was banned, and subsequently banned again, even though his returning posts weren't inflammatory. SDN does not need people like that on their website. He had his chance to be a participating member (even with his opinions) but he blew it with his first post. I guess if you're not on the receiving end of that kind of discrimination, it's harder to understand why the punishment should be so severe. But I don't think comments like that warrant a second chance. And as the mods have said, if this guy would have just laid low for a week or two, he could have started posting again without issue. He wanted to make his flaming remarks, and then he wanted to push it further by posting again. I say he made his bed, and he can now sleep in it.
 
Khenon said:
I guess I haven't been on this website long enough to say whether or not the mods are overbearing (though since my start in September, I've felt they've been very fair), but I did want to comment on this particular person that got banned.

I don't know if you all saw his original post as "Greenspan," but it went well beyond offensive. People on this forum say things that other disagree with, and as a side effect there's offense taken, but this post by Greenspan was fully derrogatory, discriminatory, and completely useless. There was no opinion or explanation for his remarks. Merely raw slime spewing from his inflammatory post.

I personally am glad he was banned, and subsequently banned again, even though his returning posts weren't inflammatory. SDN does not need people like that on their website. He had his chance to be a participating member (even with his opinions) but he blew it with his first post. I guess if you're not on the receiving end of that kind of discrimination, it's harder to understand why the punishment should be so severe. But I don't think comments like that warrant a second chance. And as the mods have said, if this guy would have just laid low for a week or two, he could have started posting again without issue. He wanted to make his flaming remarks, and then he wanted to push it further by posting again. I say he made his bed, and he can now sleep in it.
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What is the difference between "waiting a week" to reform and make a legitimate, intelligent post... and not waiting a week to reform and make a legitimate, intelligent post? What's with this arbitrary "waiting a week" thing? If you think he doesn't deserve a second chance, then he doesn't deserve a second chance.
 
sacrament said:
What is the difference between "waiting a week" to reform and make a legitimate, intelligent post... and not waiting a week to reform and make a legitimate, intelligent post? What's with this arbitrary "waiting a week" thing? If you think he doesn't deserve a second chance, then he doesn't deserve a second chance.
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everyone deserves a second chance, there is regret, remorse, reform and forgiveness.....at least there should be.
 
Psycho Doctor said:
everyone deserves a second chance, there is regret, remorse, reform and forgiveness.....at least there should be.
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Now see, we've got me and we've got good Christian values on the same side. We've gotta be right.
 
sacrament said:
What is the difference between "waiting a week" to reform and make a legitimate, intelligent post... and not waiting a week to reform and make a legitimate, intelligent post? What's with this arbitrary "waiting a week" thing? If you think he doesn't deserve a second chance, then he doesn't deserve a second chance.
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I agree with you. My point in saying that is that none of this argument would have even come up if this guy had just laid low. None of us would have known either way . . . ie the mods aren't seeking these guys out to ban them. Do I personally think this guy should be banned again and again and again? Yes. But am I going to waste any time seeking him out and "tell on him?" No.
 
Psycho Doctor said:
everyone deserves a second chance, there is regret, remorse, reform and forgiveness.....at least there should be.
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Sure, if said person actually feels regret, remorse, and reform. Then I would forgive. I'm not sure that's the case here though.
 
Khenon said:
I agree with you. My point in saying that is that none of this argument would have even come up if this guy had just laid low.
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And my point is that he did lie low. Yeah, he re-registered pretty quickly, but his subsequent posts were utterly appropriate. Even DrMom says they don't typically hunt down and ban those who re-register if they are behaving themselves.
 
Sometimes guests do not realize how what they've done is offensive to others, or even if they do, we give them the benefit of the doubt. The one-week (or less) post-holds or whatever serve as a sort of "time-out" period and a warning so that offending guests can realize their "mistakes." Glad you use these boards for your own personal amusement, sac. But some people are here actually trying to find things out. As an informative board, the mods also have a duty to make sure objective info. is spread and deter detractants. And lets face it, some people actively try to prey on innocent pre-meds and confuse them into thinking something false or get the wrong impression of medical professionals. These are private forums and we realize that as a public forum with wide viewership representing current/future health science professionals, there is a responsibility for portraying a professional attitude.

As for mod moderation, we also moderate each other. Usually before action is taken, there is actually discussion about the violation/offender and the mods come to an agreement. Lee also does a good job of overseeing the work of the mods. The "report a post" does work and we all check, but some posts reported we let go if there isn't really a violation.

This system has worked well so far. While people like to complain, others are getting the info. they need and numbers are increasing. If you really have issues with the modding and don't have anything really to contribute, then as one poster said, simply get out. No one is forcing you to read.
 
sacrament said:
And my point is that he did lie low. Yeah, he re-registered pretty quickly, but his subsequent posts were utterly appropriate. Even DrMom says they don't typically hunt down and ban those who re-register if they are behaving themselves.
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At least I now know what Sac amuses himself with in his free time.

No one ever stays permabanned.

See: Kinetic et al.
 
leorl said:
Sometimes guests do not realize how what they've done is offensive to others, or even if they do, we give them the benefit of the doubt. The one-week (or less) post-holds or whatever serve as a sort of "time-out" period and a warning so that offending guests can realize their "mistakes."
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Because SDN guests are, invariably, small children.

But some people are here actually trying to find things out. As an informative board, the mods also have a duty to make sure objective info. is spread and deter detractants.
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The thread about volunteering was a perfectly appropriate and interesting topic. If starting that thread is somehow hi-jacking the mission of SDN, then I don't know what the hell the mission of SDN is.

As for mod moderation, we also moderate each other. Usually before action is taken, there is actually discussion about the violation/offender and the mods come to an agreement.
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This cannot possibly be happening in pre-allo, considering the enormous amount of moderating that is occurring.


If you really have issues with the modding and don't have anything really to contribute, then as one poster said, simply get out. No one is forcing you to read.
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And no one is forcing you to make SDN a better place, so just don't, I guess.
 
sacrament said:
He certainly dishes it in abundance. I guess casting a wide net is like having a diagnostic test with a high sensitivity but low specificity.
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This forum gets enough crap that I don't mind a tighter crap filter.
 
What about consistency? In the short time I've been on SDN, I've seen people who post frequently in the lounge, get banned, subsequently reregister with a similar name or avatar and start posting again They aren't banned as soon as they get back on unless they violate TOS. That's why I don't understand why this guy got banned for his posts under the name Voltemort or whatever.
Perhaps there should be a set policy for this...anyhow, that's just my two cents.
 
sacrament said:
And my point is that he did lie low. Yeah, he re-registered pretty quickly, but his subsequent posts were utterly appropriate. Even DrMom says they don't typically hunt down and ban those who re-register if they are behaving themselves.
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I guess I thought they were saying that by re-registering that's where he got himself into trouble. I thought DrMom said you will get banned again if you re-register, so I was basing my comments on that. So I guess I'll define my statement of "laying low" as to mean "not re-registering," in this case. I realize in other cases it may mean something else.

From what I've gathered that the mods are trying to say, is if you get banned, just stay off SDN for a while (1 or 2 weeks, minimum). Then they won't be looking for you. But if you just jump right back on, then you're suspect and they'll ban you again, because you just offended and so you're fresh in their minds. And as far as the actual SDN rules go, you are subject to banning again once you've been banned so ultimately they did nothing wrong.

I understand your point sacrement, and I didn't mean to get in a tiff with you. You think that someone who comes on SDN and is "getting along" with everyone shouldn't be banned, even if they were previously banned. That's fine. I'm saying this guy's remarks go beyond the normal "trolling" and I understand why he got banned the second time, regardless of the fact that his new posts were appropriate. And I feel the mods were acting fairly under the rules of SDN. I really do respect your opinion, in general. I was just really offended by Greenspan's original post, and I'm very thankful that Evo not only banned this guy the first time, but had the eagle eye that caught him immediately re-posting and made sure his punishment was saw through. I realize that's just my opinion though. I don't expect anyone to agree with me. 🙂
 
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