Wtf??

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V.A. hospital.

I'm sorry its generalizing but they don't have the best reputation.
 
I know they don't...but if you read what they did, they outsourced their work to University of Pennsylvania which was responsible for its staff to do the work. And the physician graduated from Johns Hopkins and got his PhD from UPenn...if that doesnt give you good training/screen out malignant individuals then what the hell??
 
southernIM said:
The VAs are in a lot of trouble right now...there's also the whole dirty scope scandal going around.

Anyone else excited about a national healthcare system? The VA is the wave of the future...
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I have no idea what the dirty scope scandal is....please explain?
 
surag said:
I have no idea what the dirty scope scandal is....please explain?
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/16/veterans.colonoscopies/

In a previous study, 10,617 veterans who underwent the procedure at four VA hospitals in Tennessee, Georgia and Florida were exposed to the risk of viral infection from improperly sterilized equipment, Duncan said.

Of the 96 percent who have responded, 13 tested positive for hepatitis B, 34 to hepatitis C -- both of which are liver diseases -- and six tested positive for HIV, the AIDS virus, he said.

It's not clear how they were infected, whether via the scopes or some other way. But Buyer urged that veterans not be forced to try to prove that that they got the virus from dirty equipment rather than from some other exposure.

"My opinion is that the benefit of the doubt will go to the veteran," he said.
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Its doctor's at fault if he in fact flubbed procedures or decieved on what he was doing. But the hospital has a responsibility for oversight no matter where the doctor got his degrees.

The doctor apparently didn't flub any procedures when he wasn't at the VA hospital.
 
still...what happened to accepting individuals through the interview process so that they were of the highest caliber morally and intellectually?

I know of instances where at Pitt the doctors double billed cancer patients by removing only half the tumor and then double billing to remove the rest at a later date...
 
surag said:

still...what happened to accepting individuals through the interview process so that they were of the highest caliber morally and intellectually?

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You are kidding. Right?
 
Now we've only heard the NY Times side of the story and they're known to be pretty anti medical establishment. I'd like to see what the other side has to say. That being said, it's my opinion that procedures like implantation of pellets and other surgeries are best done by people who are doing them everyday, not by research centric MD/PhD's
 
Pinkertinkle said:
Now we've only heard the NY Times side of the story and they're known to be pretty anti medical establishment. I'd like to see what the other side has to say. That being said, it's my opinion that procedures like implantation of pellets and other surgeries are best done by people who are doing them everyday, not by research centric MD/PhD's
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they're not anti-medical establishment. where'd you hear that? Have you ever read the opinion section? Almost weekly they have something related to the medical field because of the health care issues at the forefront. And they always have balanced reporting with possible solutions or ideas from a variety of sources, including the director of AMA, Harvard physicians, public health officials etc.

If anything, they offer the most balanced outlook towards medicine...to claim that somehow they're anti establishment is like saying atul gawande is anti medical establishment because he thinks the current system is flawed...really?
 
surag said:
they're not anti-medical establishment. where'd you hear that? Have you ever read the opinion section? Almost weekly they have something related to the medical field because of the health care issues at the forefront. And they always have balanced reporting with possible solutions or ideas from a variety of sources, including the director of AMA, Harvard physicians, public health officials etc.

If anything, they offer the most balanced outlook towards medicine...to claim that somehow they're anti establishment is like saying atul gawande is anti medical establishment because he thinks the current system is flawed...really?
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Wow they've really got the wool over your eyes. I can just smell the bias when reading those articles.
 
Pinkertinkle said:
Wow they've really got the wool over your eyes. I can just smell the bias when reading those articles.
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sure whatever dude. dismiss it with the flick of a wrist..i could ask you to back it up but its a waste of time...lets just agree to disagree. NYtimes is known to be liberal...that doesnt mean its myopically focused on policy and practice based on partisan lines. whatever.
 
surag said:
And the physician graduated from Johns Hopkins and got his PhD from UPenn...if that doesnt give you good training/screen out malignant individuals then what the hell??
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Johns Hopkins and UPenn are famous for malignancy.
 
really? who says that?

is there a lot of evidence, are there threads here about that?

I heard penn had malignancy but in the sense that residency programs were not as well receptive or easy as compared to other programs...not in the character of students etc.
 
There are crappy doctors everywhere, doing procedures they aren't proficient in. I've seen a lot of re-do procedures lately, and although the patient is never told that the first physician screwed up because that would be bad form, you'll know when that's actually the case.
 
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The Face of Incompetence :laugh:

He should lose his license and be sued. I feel sorry for the patients.
 
southernIM said:
The VAs are in a lot of trouble right now...there's also the whole dirty scope scandal going around.

Anyone else excited about a national healthcare system? The VA is the wave of the future...
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So once we have a national health insurance program, medical is gonna be contracted out to deuchebag hopkins grads who are researchers first and physicians second and perform procedures that they aren't properly trained in?


If that's the case, I sure hope they don't institute malpractice reform, for all our sakes.
 
Am I the only one who had noticed the abundance of incompetence in medicine today already? It's really quite shocking what comes out of some doctors mouths when you start asking questions. It's usually much much better around academic medical practices, however.
 
Zoom-Zoom said:
Am I the only one who had noticed the abundance of incompetence in medicine today already?
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Yes, go on...you were about to tell us how medicine was back in "the day?"

My guess is that this doc was probably more interested in research than medicine from the get-go, and probably should have stopped at the Ph.D.
 
There should be better oversight, but by colleagues not papers.

Balance is a joke. They are printing the story for a reaction. What if you started a study with intent to to prove a treatment worked? Oh, wait, that is what chiropracters/accupuncturists/herbalists etc do all the time...
 
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