WTF does a Pharmacist actually do?

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I've seen pharmacists absolutely save physicians' a$$es before; don't discount how important they can be. Remember when Dennis Quaid's newborn twins were in the news because they got some ridiculous amount of heparin? Well, I guarantee that would happen 10x more often if not for pharmacists. Also, we used to have a pharmacist round with us in the ICU and you'd be surprised how much they can add to patient care.

I was having this discussion with my fiancee yestarday. She was wondering what pharmacists do, and I figured it was probably along this line.

What I don't understand is, how can so many pre-med students come in here and suggest that computers should replace pharmacists when they obviously don't have the slightest idea what pharmacists do? This is totally ridiculous.

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Pharmacists have been around for a long, long time. Although our role in healthcare is still evolving, I would think most people know pharmacists are not simply pill counters. I can believe this thread is still going.
 
LOL at the whole thread.

If I disappeared you would cry.
 
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As a RETAIL/COMMUNITY pharmacist, I can carry an intelligent conversation with my FATHER who is an MD about disease states and therapy. Most retail pharmacists are humble and repect physicians as professionals. Most of us Pharmacists do not LOOK down or talk down to our patients. Yes, retail pharmacy is what it is not because we as pharmacists chose for it to be that way, but because that is what the industry made it. I hate counting and filling; i would rather counsel and talk to patients all day. No, I do not dose vancomycin or look at serum creatinine for dosing; What I do is provide superior patient care in providing medication to patients in dire need of medication that YOU the physician has prescribed. You diagnose and Prescribe, I safely provide the medication to the patient and will speak to them about anything they would like to talk about.

Today I helped a young lady decide on her options for her PTDS; either pay the $349 on your effexor xr or I can loan you a few capsules until you talk to your physician about getting generic effexor tablets which would save you around $150-$200. She was worried and had no other options being a weekend and all. I am there for support for my patients when the physician is not available. She was at ease and felt comfortable; this is retail and this is what I do. Hopefully the medical students can appreciate our jobs some day. We as retail/community pharmacists are there for the patient regarding doses, dosage forms, comfort, OTC products, etc. You cant really compare me to a hospital pharmacist, 2 very different settings. Good luck to all you med students...🙂
 
I will look down on most people, but that is because I'm taller than most.


Pharmacists don't get enough credit. I think part of the reason is how the american system is set up. In Germany, the doctor really doesn't do much in the way of medications. Even if you want cold or allergy medication, you go in and talk to a pharmacist and figure out what is best. It seems impossible for physicians to keep maintain such a huge knowledge base with medications and their interactions. That is one reason docs tend to get locked into prescribing the same crap to every patient. I just skimmed through but I'm sure people gave a more detailed description.

It is easy to discount what other members of the health community do sometimes. You look at a family practice doc and you see them doing simple stuff a lot, you look at a radiologist and he is staring at a screen, you look at a pharmacist and she is pushing some pills around, look at the xray tech and she is pushing a button, etc. You can always skin down someone's profession to the visual aspects you see for 15 seconds a day, but you can't go in their thought process and most don't see the other 90% of things they do on a daily basis.
 
I'm a 4th year student currently on an "advanced" general medicine (patients in step down units from ICU, not get med/surg) rotation at a local private hospital. Every morning I go through the medication profiles of about 80 patients. It takes a little over an hour - less come Friday.

Anyway, a big part of my job there is followup - so we renally dosed that Lovenox 10 days ago, but guess what - as other issues have been addressed now the patient no longer needs renal dosing and is currently inadequately anticoagulated. Not all physicians will go back and increase the dose (after a couple days to see that the increased renal function isn't a fluke).

Ditto for antibiotics - often increase or decrease doses due to changes in renal function.

Warfarin - I'm responsible for all of the warfarin dosing for the patients on my units - I run my recommendations past the preceptor but I actually write the orders for the days dose. I had a great talk with a physician the other day about it - he was asking why I picked such doses, etc etc and we talked PK/D and it was all well and good. He brought up that in his training he'd been taught to start patients on 10 mg to "load" them. That just isn't (shouldn't) be done anymore - you end up fighting the supratherapeutic INR 3-5 days from now.

I know this is a med student forum - so many of you may be surprised how at my real job (inpatient hospital pharmacy) how many residents and attendings ask for my opinion on drug selection and dosing - even after I tell them that I am a student/intern. Even things like logistical issues - attending endocrinologist wanted to know if we could make D20W for a hypoglycemic patient. We can, but due to osmolarity you can't put anything higher than D12.5W through a peripheral line - he didn't know that, I did, and we agreed the situation wasn't worthy of putting a central line in the patient.

I understand that physicians are in an odd spot right now as far as mid-levels, etc. Having parents who are RNs I actually prefer to see nurse practitioners when possible (I am a simple patient and rarely have anything worthy of needing to see a MD). But a (good) pharmacist has a very important role and you can't trust the PDA to make professional judgement - ie: penicillin allergy and the use of cephalosporins. Plus you all are busy, sometimes I have the time to call the patient's home pharmacy and get the real scoop on the doses, how often refilled (measure of compliance), and what they personally know about the patient.

And techs don't call MDs - only pharmacy students (interns) and pharmacists (varying on state laws) can call MDs - techs cannot legally take verbal orders if there are any changes to be made.


Well said, Njac!
 
There is obviously a huge difference between a community pharmacist and a hospital pharmacist. My uncle is a community pharmacist and I think I would shoot myself if I had to do his job every day.

However, hospital pharmacists are extremely valuable and save our residents asses all the time. On our peds/PICU floors we have a pharmacist on the floor with us, and everyone utilizes her all the time. The pharmacists are required to look at every medication order our residents and attendings write and if they see something wrong, they send us a correction order that we are to follow.

In fact, I asked our Peds ICU attending today a question about a Felbatol and a compatability issue and her answer "Ask Jane (the pharmacists) because I have no idea."
 
There is obviously a huge difference between a community pharmacist and a hospital pharmacist. My uncle is a community pharmacist and I think I would shoot myself if I had to do his job every day.

However, hospital pharmacists are extremely valuable and save our residents asses all the time. On our peds/PICU floors we have a pharmacist on the floor with us, and everyone utilizes her all the time. The pharmacists are required to look at every medication order our residents and attendings write and if they see something wrong, they send us a correction order that we are to follow.

In fact, I asked our Peds ICU attending today a question about a Felbatol and a compatability issue and her answer "Ask Jane (the pharmacists) because I have no idea."

You're leaving out the part where, in her head your attending was thinking, "...and I don't care."

Pharmacists make my life easier; now there's more room for surgery (40%) and pop culture/music/sports (60%).
 
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Good job, njac. You very tactfully and knowlegeably put Tom and any others on this thread who are completely ignorant or unaware of the responsibilities pharmacists have in their place. Tom appears to be a very insecure medical student who feels threatened by the knowledge pharmacists have. This insecurity of his is reflected in his apparent sense of exclusivity and superiority he seems to express in his posts. A well educated physician or any other health care professional recognizes his limits and uses all of his resources for patient care. Tom comes short of this standard by arrogantly stating that pharmacists will NEVER know the "subtleties" that come with proper administration of drugs.

Whoever said physicians are the drug experts? Lol, Tom and whoever agrees with him is ridiculous. Pharmacists don't go through 6-8 years of training after high school just to ring up your purchase, count pills, etc... The arrogant physician believes he knows more about drugs than any pharmacist ever will. Anyone who believes this is wrong. Physicians are many times completely ignorant about drugs, their dosage forms, etc... I work in a pharmacy and all too often, we receive prescriptions for drugs with wrong dosage form and other mistakes. Tom and others who believe physicians are God: Physicians WILL never come close to the knowledge pharmacists have about pharmaceuticals. You guys take one year of pharmacology, perhaps. Pharmacists are trained in every aspect.

Be within the realms of your professional expertise, future physicians. You are trained in the diagnosis, pathology, and pathophysiology of disease. You are not drug experts. Similarly, pharmacists are trained in pharmaceuticals. We are not experts in diagnosis even though we receive some training in pathophysiology and disease. What's so difficult to comprehend about that? I suggest some of you people realize this. Let's all come together for the well being of our future patients and stop casting judgements and superiority on one profession or another. Tom, you sound like one of the older physicians who is insecure about working with pharmacists. I have heard many present generation med students and graduates are excited and realize the extensive knowledge pharmacy students and graduates have. Get over yourself. You are probably not even an MD yet and you seem to already feel like you are "Almighty God". I mean all of this with a humble heart and sincerity. Do not take offense, but you really sound full of yourself.


I dont know if anyone is as sick of hearing physicians being portrayed as a Dr Frankestein-obsessed-with-God-like-abilities stereotype as I am.

I have always pondered this argument myself (a med student) with other pharm students and have never found a satisfying answer. No doubt, you guys are great in drugs, pharmacokinetics, etc, etc. but what warrants a pharmacist's job in the clinical aspect of treatments? While pharmacists are obviously invaluable in terms of research, why pay someone 6 figures when a computer can do the same job? Wouldn't that save tons of money our health care system desperately needs? Do we need as many pharmacists as we have?

I heard the analogy of WebMD to diagnosis is computers to pharmacy, but that absolutely makes no sense. The problem with WebMD, is that it is unable to discern the signs and make sense of symptoms into a proper diagnosis. When it comes to drug and dosing, its either they work together or they dont. Its either the person's lab show that they their liver can handle the drugs, or they dont. And in most cases (I hope) doctors have already evaluated that.

Another argument for eliminating pharmacists clinically is that it may get lazy doctors to shape up and make sure their doses are correct.
 
I dont know if anyone is as sick of hearing physicians being portrayed as a Dr Frankestein-obsessed-with-God-like-abilities stereotype as I am.

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It is annoying to have a thread like this around in the first place, and annoying when it seems like some (not all) pharm posters lump medical students/physicians as having God-complexes.

I think it's rather telling in a positive way with most of the posts from the medicine side being extremely supportive of the pharmacist role.
 
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It is annoying to have a thread like this around in the first place, and annoying when it seems like some (not all) pharm posters lump medical students/physicians as having God-complexes.

I think it's rather telling in a positive way with most of the posts from the medicine side being extremely supportive of the pharmacist role.

Perhaps when your are in practice you will appreciate the pharmacists role more. There really is a lot that pharmacists do that you may not see. Anyway, good luck in your studies. Regardless of what is said in this forum, I respect all that physicians do. Patients need physicians and they need pharmacists. The patient needs both. Thats just the way it is.
 
I dont know if anyone is as sick of hearing physicians being portrayed as a Dr Frankestein-obsessed-with-God-like-abilities stereotype as I am.

I have always pondered this argument myself (a med student) with other pharm students and have never found a satisfying answer. No doubt, you guys are great in drugs, pharmacokinetics, etc, etc. but what warrants a pharmacist's job in the clinical aspect of treatments? While pharmacists are obviously invaluable in terms of research, why pay someone 6 figures when a computer can do the same job? Wouldn't that save tons of money our health care system desperately needs? Do we need as many pharmacists as we have?

I heard the analogy of WebMD to diagnosis is computers to pharmacy, but that absolutely makes no sense. The problem with WebMD, is that it is unable to discern the signs and make sense of symptoms into a proper diagnosis. When it comes to drug and dosing, its either they work together or they dont. Its either the person's lab show that they their liver can handle the drugs, or they dont. And in most cases (I hope) doctors have already evaluated that.

Another argument for eliminating pharmacists clinically is that it may get lazy doctors to shape up and make sure their doses are correct.

The same argument could be made for Physicians .... why pay someone 6 figures to prescribe antibiotics and other random medications that were detailed that week and dork around with a stethoscope and reflex hammer ... or make an incision to drain an abscess that any tech with a little training after high school could probably do even better. I don't agree with this perspective any more than I agree with your perspective about pharmacists. I view it as a lack of being aware of what is going on ... but there is a certain amount of merit to the argument.

More to the underlying issue ... in a way, I agree with you. Let's eliminate the requirement of going to school (and residency) and let anyone who can demonstrate the skills and references from licensed people the right to take a test and earn a medical, pharmacist, RN or whatever license. Schools and training programs would have an incentive to be as efficient and effective in providing knowledge because their only value is the actual knowledge they provide ... no more wasted time and wasted rotations. They would still be liable and need insurance. Their employer would also be liable, and thus provide more reasons for people to make sure only qualified personnel are being provided to the public. Require health insurance to pay a certain amount for a procedure based on geography and maybe quantity but that's it for any "provider" who meets the legal requirements and conditions of the insurance (covered procedure, etc.). Similarly for hospitals ... anyone could open one as long as they can demonstrate meeting legal requirements and passing inspections. No more protected markets for hospitals.


This would reduce pay and turn medical care into a free market and many people (particularly Libertarians) dream about this. However, we aren't going to see this fantasy played out anytime soon. People get into a profession or market and protect it; they don't want easy access for competitors. There is a barrier to becoming a pharmacist (only so many spots in pharmacy school) and since there are so few licensed, they pay goes up. They get great pay right out of school because there are so few of them licensed. Similarly for physicians. You can't just become a neurosurgeon in a year at a community college if you can pass the board exams and demonstrate the skills because your dad showed you how for 5 years or whatever ... there are many barriers that must be overcome (for good reason). If there were was 50% unemployment 100s licensed physicians competing for every position, we would see physician pay plummet (similarly for pharmacists).

Thus, the argument you make for pharmacists could also be applied to physicians ... make it easier for people to get licensed as long as they can demonstrate the necessary skills to pass a board exam and perhaps have licensed people serve as references for appropriate experience and training. The job of president of the USA has no school or internship requirements. As long as you can show that you are the right person for the job and get the majority of voters (the market) to agree, you get the job. That might explain some of the complaints that people have about U.S. presidents, but I'm not sure requiring going to "president school" and getting licensed to serve as a president (or for that matter a senator, etc.) would improve quality very much. Here we are talking about a job that involves the ability to start nuclear war and destroy mankind. It's hard to argue that physicians (or pharmacists) have more responsibility. By opening things up, it would let the market sort out the value. Again, this is a fantasy that won't happen for many reasons (many of them good, some very inefficient).

These inefficiencies in the market make the services more expensive, but they also help protect us from unethical pharmacists who would just sell their inventory (which would have a street value of bizillions) and disappearing into the night with enough money to retire. Similarly, having an inefficient medical training system discourages certain people from the medical profession ... certain people who would take advantage of patients by ordering unnecessary procedures to enrich themselves. These safeguards aren't perfect, but they, along with various board exams, interview processes, peer-monitoring, etc. are the best we have for now. To some extent we have see things played out in the financial markets (mortgage crisis, previously the S&L crisis, etc.) when the balance between regulation and free market is not optimal.
 
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Then you should adjust your user status accordingly.

Seriously. What makes people think that gaining acceptance to medical school makes them med students? They're sitting on their rears all summer goofing off before matriculating and they think that makes them med students. Uh, yeah, it doesn't, guys! Tools.

Sorry to go OT...
 
Perhaps when your are in practice you will appreciate the pharmacists role more. There really is a lot that pharmacists do that you may not see. Anyway, good luck in your studies. Regardless of what is said in this forum, I respect all that physicians do. Patients need physicians and they need pharmacists. The patient needs both. Thats just the way it is.

I, along with most of the medical-oriented posters have already a great deal of respect for pharmacists. As well as PAs, nurses, OTs, PTs, RTs, SLPs, Audiologists, and so on.

It's just annoying to see a rant about the OP starting this thread turn into something that looks like "You doctors......!😡"

I do not have to wait 8+ years before I practice to appreciate what pharmacists do. You are assuming more than you really know about me.

To be honest, I can't believe this thread hasn't been closed because of sheer stupidity of the topic and the OP's argument.
 
Seriously. What makes people think that gaining acceptance to medical school makes them med students? They're sitting on their rears all summer goofing off before matriculating and they think that makes them med students. Uh, yeah, it doesn't, guys! Tools.

Sorry to go OT...

If by goofing off you mean working 50 hours a week, starting to attend orientations (first one was 2 weeks ago), and getting my spouse and household in order before moving in 1 month, then yeah, I'm goofing off. 🙄
 
Another important thing that my colleagues did not mention is OTC/herbal therapy counseling. I have caught a lot of interactions involving birth controls, warfarin, antibiotics, immunosuppresants (versus echincea), etc. Although some pharmacists avoid patients, I as an intern do talk to them. I remind some people to get their liver test for statins at x months, talk to them about their side effects, and any other concerns they might have. I also of course police the narcotics as required.

PS, just this week, I caught a resident writing for 800 ml of heparin when he meant units (computer caught this), got an order for metoprolol 50mg IV fixed (Computer did not catch that for some reason) and vancomycin being prescribed for 3-4 days after cultures are back for VRE (Computer nor medical team caught it).

Thank you to all the physcians out there for understanding our job. 👍
 
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I, along with most of the medical-oriented posters have already a great deal of respect for pharmacists. As well as PAs, nurses, OTs, PTs, RTs, SLPs, Audiologists, and so on.

It's just annoying to see a rant about the OP starting this thread turn into something that looks like "You doctors......!😡"

I do not have to wait 8+ years before I practice to appreciate what pharmacists do. You are assuming more than you really know about me.

To be honest, I can't believe this thread hasn't been closed because of sheer stupidity of the topic and the OP's argument.

My bad. I say we just drop the issue and close this thread. Like I said, I respect all professionals. Good luck with your studies.
 
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One thing that I/we in retail catch all the time is "lazy prescribing."

by that, I mean the doctors who have sigs memorized for certain drug groups, even though the taking of said drugs could lead to kidney or liver damage.

my main example/complaint is every time we get a script for Lortab/norco/vicodin, etc it's always take 1-2 q4-6 prn pain. I know it's written as needed, but if a patient took darvocet llike this they would double the daily max of APAP. I'm not bashing or anything, but alerting patients to simple things like, don't take more than 6-8 a day etc. is important and typically not done by the computers.

I'm not trying to legitimize the OP but I figured I would throw this out there.

My favorite parts of work are conferring with RNs/MDs over the phone about med choices. Sometimes they'll call, give an indication, and ask for the best med. As an intern (P3 in the fall) I can sometimes make that decision with them, or I'll defer to the pharmacist if it's an area I don't know (haven't taken the class yet, etc). I look forward the the current generation of med students/residents getting out there and being more accustomed to working along with pharmacists. We're in this for the patients, not for our egos (right?) and I think working together with all health care professionals is the best way to accomplish that.

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"TTUHSCSOP"

My tongue fell out of my mouth and I almost had a seizure after I tried to make a pronounceable word out of this.
 
my main example/complaint is every time we get a script for Lortab/norco/vicodin, etc it's always take 1-2 q4-6 prn pain.

Prn dosing with a variable time interval is silly, IMHO. Q4H prn means you take the medication whenever you need to, AS OFTEN as every four hours. So you can take it every six hours if you want, or every eight, or even 5 1/2.

So I just pick one. Q4H prn pain. Or Q6H prn pain.
 
"TTUHSCSOP"

My tongue fell out of my mouth and I almost had a seizure after I tried to make a pronounceable word out of this.

I was going to spell it out, but it would have crashed SDN every time I posted, thanks texas tech!

and to the prn comment, I agree, and I realize that it IS prn dosing, so the patient won't necessarily take it every time at the max dosage, but why make it possible? ya know?
 
and to the prn comment, I agree, and I realize that it IS prn dosing, so the patient won't necessarily take it every time at the max dosage, but why make it possible? ya know?

Totally agree.

In the hospital, what gets patients in trouble is when they have the following (very common) orders:

Tylenol 650 mg PO Q4H prn fever/headache
Percocet 5/325 mg 1-2 tabs PO Q4H prn pain

The Percocet alone can be as much as 325 x 2 x 6 = 3900 mg in 24 hours. So any additional acetaminophen added to that (from the prn Tylenol) will push them over the daily 4 g limit.
 
Totally agree.

In the hospital, what gets patients in trouble is when they have the following (very common) orders:

Tylenol 650 mg PO Q4H prn fever/headache
Percocet 5/325 mg 1-2 tabs PO Q4H prn pain

The Percocet alone can be as much as 325 x 2 x 6 = 3900 mg in 24 hours. So any additional acetaminophen added to that (from the prn Tylenol) will push them over the daily 4 g limit.

This is important and board qs evolve from this "Tylenol toxicity!!👍
 
<--------ex (retail) pharmacy technician...


A pharmacist working in retail is working in a burn-out job. It's sad actually, considering the amount of education they have is put to waste. Most "grunt work" like cashier, doctor calls, receiving, filling, and typing prescriptions is done by techs. The pharmacist is there for consultations, quality assurance, and managing controls. The only way that a pharmacist could have a more active role is if they have their own business which cannot be a reality with big business around (Rite Aid, CVS, Wallgreens...). This is one reason why I didn't go to pharmacy school; I will not be owned by the corporations (...or HMO's for that matter, but thats a separate issue).
 
As far "image" goes, hospital pharmacists seem to be the bee's knee's. But you have to ask yourself, is that only because you interact with said pharmacist on a personal level and are willing to hear what they have to say or is it because they really do more for patient care? I've done both, and I can say there are far more opportunities to provide patient care in the retail setting than in the hospital setting.

Most people don't realize that a community pharmacy is generally the 1st place people turn to when they have a health related concern. Do you really think that an uninsured construction worker is going to pay $200 for an office visit to be told he has seasonal allergic rhinitis? That's just the way it works, somebody is not (generally) going to run to their PCP or Urgent Care if they haven't explored different avenues first; whether that be WebMD, a Pharmacist, or their buck-toothed cousin down the road. Knowing that, which avenue do you think they will get the most reliable information?

And just to leave you with an example of why the buck shouldn't stop with the physician, or be left in the hands of a computer or high-school educated tech: I had a patient come in w/ an Rx for Levaquin 750mg QDx14days. It's a good prescription, appropriate dose/duration/frequency/etc. However, upon reviewing the patient's profile I noticed two previous Rx's for Flagyl in the last month or two which just sparked my curiousity. I asked the patient what he was being treated for, and he replied "a really bad case of C. diff". Now anybody who knows anything about infectious disease will know what's wrong there, so I call the MD's office and get the nurse who is snotty and tells me that "she looked it up in Sanford's herself, maybe I should get myself a copy". Well of course I had a copy and flipped right to the page she requested where it said that Levaquin could indeed treat Clostridium....perfrengens and in bold letters next to that said "NOT Difficile". Of course the drug still didn't get changed because the nurse was adamant that it would "work just fine for C.diff", and refused to even let me speak to the MD. Of course I exercised my right to not fill the Rx and urged him to seek a 2nd opinion, especially when I'm pretty sure the nurse forged the MD's signature on the Rx (explaining why she wouldn't let me talk to him about it).

Sorry for the long rant, but hey I had a lot to say on the topic although it seems like most of you out there "get it". But maybe just think about that above scenario when you think a computer or tech could just as easily do my job, especially when RN's are being allowed to prescribe ID drugs with your signature.🙄
 
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Some pharmacists prescribe under protocol (nursing homes, pain mgmt). As pharmacy moves to a 7 year program, it could take on certain aspects primary care, similar to PA's, NP's on the community side and more of an internal medicine / drug expert role with prescribing in hospitals or very specialized prescribing in the community. They may take over more of the immunizations (they already do a few and could pretty any shots, such as flu shots, many immunizations, allergy shots under protocol). These kinds of changes are being debated within that profession right now. The problem with taking on more responsibilities is that now you are talking about a 7 year program and who wants to go through that to dispense drugs at CVS, Walgreens, or Wal-Mart where most pharmacists work. Their profession has an internal conflict between the community side (where pharmacists are basically managers of technicians who do the filling for the most part and are paid very well for a 5 year degree) and hospital role, which pays much less but is more challenging in terms of drug expertise.
 
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why is pharmacist consider or call them self doctor?

Why does a dentist consider or call themselves doctor? Why does a MD consider or call themselves doctors? Doctor is not exclusive to MD's, it is a title conferred by completion of an appropriate Doctoral program. Not all pharmacists are doctors, but it is now mandated that all pharmacists who graduate after a certain year (I think 2004?) must earn the degree of Doctor of Pharmacy; hense the title Doctor. It's pretty complicated, I agree.🙄
 
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As pharmacy moves to a 7 year program,.

Actually, all new grads (as of 2001 or 2002) in the US are Pharm.D.s - that's a minimum of 5-6 years, usually 8 (3 or 4 years for the pharmacy program depending where you go, and at least 2 years of undergraduate prerequisites. Admissions is getting more competitive and undergraduate degrees are desired now).

But the term doctor comes from our degree, the Doctor of Pharmacy (Pharm.D.)
 
Do not get us wrong or confused. No pharmacist in their right mind would call themselves doctors. The few that does (I have not met one yet) are extreme exceptions. The only time Doctor X is used is in a teaching setting.

Pharmacists do not want to play physician for many reasons. Most of us are already swamped with prescription duties and if anything, wants less work. (We dont get paid for a lot of stuff. . . including playing doctor). Others dont want the liability. If we wanted to play doctor, we would have gone into med school. Quite frankly, a lot of us agree playing drug dealing is more fun. :laugh: We do wear a white lab coat though but that has been our tradition (pharmacy is a very old profession dating back from Egypt and even more).
 
other than ring you up?

But seriously I may not have taken this q seriously enough, but after pondering:

1)New grads start out making just under 6 figures.

2)pharmacist get some respect and dont go through the gymnastics and tourtuosity that medical folks go thru.. Although many do 9-5.

3) And with cheap meds coming in from other places (I always get spam concerning pharmaceuticals) Its probably more lucrative then I thought...

4) plus folks are living longer:

5)Although Im not crazy about too many calculations..😱
 
The stats on Match rates are deceiving. They are listed as percent accepted WHO ARE INTERVIEWED.....I thought it was percent accepted WHO APPLY.

It's an easy mistake to make and doesn't justify calling someone a troll.

Maybe its time to unpurse your a$$cheeks and stop being a little b!tch.

You came into a forum with a stupid insult with no basis at all and you are surprised and laughing at the response. That's cool, because honestly we're all laughing at you. Can't wait til you get to 3rd and 4th years and your "subordinates" make you look like a complete fool.
 
Doctor = Teacher

PharmD's well earn this title.

But they shouldn't be called "Doctor" in the clinical setting. It's disingenuous... a "Doctor" in a hospital should be an MD or DO, lest we open a huge can of worms of confusion... a pharmacists training is not on par with that of a physician, although it is extremely important in its own rite.
 
But they shouldn't be called "Doctor" in the clinical setting. It's disingenuous... a "Doctor" in a hospital should be an MD or DO, lest we open a huge can of worms of confusion... a pharmacists training is not on par with that of a physician, although it is extremely important in its own "right."

Quick! Somebody call Taurus! We need someone to start bitching about DNP's and CRNA's!
 
Quick! Somebody call Taurus! We need someone to start bitching about DNP's and CRNA's!

:laugh:

This is quickly becoming an inter-disciplinary thread!

FWIW, I have :biglove: for pharmacists. Retail AND clinical.
 
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You guys dont get it. This isnt about knowledge, its about money. If pharmacists want to counsel patients, thats fine by me as long as it doesnt contradict my stuff.

What I do have a problem with is the pharmacy lobby trying to get Medicare/insurance reimbursement for these tasks.

Medicare is a zero sum game. When pharmacists bill medicare for their counseling services, it means doctors get paid less. Ditto for psychologists, NPs, PAs, social workers, dietitians, and everybody else who wants that Medicare money.

For every patient on Medicare, the number of people billing Medicare for services regarding that patient has skyrocketed over the past 20 years. In order to remain cost neutral, you can guess what Medicare does, they cut reimbursement costs to doctors.

If pharmacists want to counsel patients or recommend meds for free, thats fine. But a line is crossed when you start trying to take money out of my pocket.
 
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