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LuciusVorenus

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"Sadly, this isn't the end of it. My mom was diagnosed with Wegener's Granumolatosis a couple of months back. Due to complications her lungs almost collapsed, her kidneys gave out for a couple of days, and she was hemorrhaging a ton of blood. We almost lost her a few times but thankfully she is in therapy now and should be out in a few weeks. I can pretty much forget about college because this debt is gonna **** us up severely. It tears me apart to see my dad suffer through this after all we've been through. He had been working overtime 15+ years in a factory just to try to get me through school, and then this happened."
 
Could someone in the know explain what goes into some of these things? Like a $7k diagnostic chest xray?
 
To whomever wrote the paragraph the OP quotes:

1 - Notice the part that says "This is not a bill". If you have insurance, you will pay (or your parents will pay) their out of pocket maximum, which will be a tiny fraction of the total charges. Technically they will pay their deductible and then 20% of the remaining charges until they reach their OOP (usually between $6k-15k), but whatever..

2 - If you do not have insurance, first make sure she isn't eligible for Medicaid/Medicare. If she is not most hospitals still have some kind of major financial assistant programs. Obviously nobody can be realistically expected to pay that much.. or even 5% of those charges. Hospitals would rather have what little you can afford than nothing at all... and hospitals will almost NEVER go to collections over bad debt, especially in this situation.

Basically this will be resolved in one of three scenarios:

Worst-case scenario: You don't have insurance and the hospital is run by Satan himself and they are unwilling to forgive any portion of the charges. In this case you simply don't pay them. Period. They won't go to collections and after a year or so they will just write off the charges a bad debt and forget about it.

Most likely scenario: You either have insurance and pay your OOP or you don't have insurance and the hospital will forgive most of the debt and ask for an amount similar to an OOP, or whatever you can honestly afford. Again, hospitals would rather accept whatever little portion you are realistically able to afford rather than the alternative. You'll still probably end up paying several thousand dollars, but they will definitely set up a long-term payment plan and I can't imagine them asking for more than 20 or 30k over a 5 year period or something.. I bet it will be a lot less than that though.

Best scenario: Your mom qualifies for Medicaid or Medicare (could she now be considered disabled?) and you pay little to nothing. I don't know about Medicare but I know Medicaid covers bills retroactively up to 90 days (in my state).

As for the size of the charges... for most of those things remember that it doesn't actually cost $1000 to do a CT and the sterile supplies aren't really worth $27K as it indicates. Rather, those are the prices that the hospital must charge in order to keep its doors open and all of its facilities functional. Healthcare has ENORMOUS overhead.. open 24/7, always staffed with trained professionals, have to make up for the financial black holes that they lose money on (ER, Medicare, people who don't pay their bills, etc. etc.)

You'll be just fine. Nobody needs parents with money to attend and succeed in college anymore.. its not the 1930s. There is free grant money if you're in need and scholarship money galore if you get good grades.. not to mention part-time jobs. In fact you should consider applying to medical school because this whole ordeal will you give you something legit to write about on your "Obstacle I've overcome" essays.

I'm really sorry about your mom and not trying to sound callous, but your reaction is pretty melodramatic.. things are not as bad as you make them out to be (financially).
 
1) This content is from reddit.com. Please cite original sources.
2) This is why I never give my real name/ID when I go to the ER. They can have fun sending the bill to someone who doesn't exist.
 
2) This is why I never give my real name/ID when I go to the ER. They can have fun sending the bill to someone who doesn't exist.

And it's because of behavior like this that (via Obama) we're all going to have to buy health insurance now. Why in the world did you think it was alright to drop by an ER, demand thousands in services, and then skip out on the bill?
 
Healthcare has ENORMOUS overhead.. open 24/7, always staffed with trained professionals, have to make up for the financial black holes that they lose money on (ER, Medicare, people who don't pay their bills, etc. etc.)

1) This content is from reddit.com. Please cite original sources.
2) This is why I never give my real name/ID when I go to the ER. They can have fun sending the bill to someone who doesn't exist.


You are what is wrong with the healthcare system today. Some people are scum and the rest of us have to pay to clean up the mess. And thanks to EMTALA positive photo identification cannot be required before treatment, even non life-threatening treatment, in an ER setting.
 
1) This content is from reddit.com. Please cite original sources.
2) This is why I never give my real name/ID when I go to the ER. They can have fun sending the bill to someone who doesn't exist.

Why would I cite a source? Everyone here knows this isn't "original work", and using imgur is pretty much citing Reddit. Most people on here are already familiar with Reddit anyways (if my avatar isn't any indication). Nice detective work though 🙄

Also, that's a ****ty thing to do. So...congratulations?
 
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1) This content is from reddit.com. Please cite original sources.
2) This is why I never give my real name/ID when I go to the ER. They can have fun sending the bill to someone who doesn't exist.
Please don't ever become a doctor. I hope you are someday rushed to the ER for treatment by your family or someone who positively identifies you and gives them your information, and you get a bill for your life's savings. Ass.
 
My family went through some serious bills when I was hurt years ago. They were young, no insurance, with a baby in the hospital for nearly a year. They spent the first 10 years of my life paying $5 a month to the hospitals/doctors and because they showed they were trying their credit never took a hit.

This may look overwhelming, but there are some good bits of info in this thread. Worry about your mother now. The bill (insurance or no) is secondary and should not itself keep you from school or family.
 
To whomever wrote the paragraph the OP quotes:

1 - Notice the part that says "This is not a bill". If you have insurance, you will pay (or your parents will pay) their out of pocket maximum, which will be a tiny fraction of the total charges. Technically they will pay their deductible and then 20% of the remaining charges until they reach their OOP (usually between $6k-15k), but whatever..

2 - If you do not have insurance, first make sure she isn't eligible for Medicaid/Medicare. If she is not most hospitals still have some kind of major financial assistant programs. Obviously nobody can be realistically expected to pay that much.. or even 5% of those charges. Hospitals would rather have what little you can afford than nothing at all... and hospitals will almost NEVER go to collections over bad debt, especially in this situation.

Basically this will be resolved in one of three scenarios:

Worst-case scenario: You don't have insurance and the hospital is run by Satan himself and they are unwilling to forgive any portion of the charges. In this case you simply don't pay them. Period. They won't go to collections and after a year or so they will just write off the charges a bad debt and forget about it.

Most likely scenario: You either have insurance and pay your OOP or you don't have insurance and the hospital will forgive most of the debt and ask for an amount similar to an OOP, or whatever you can honestly afford. Again, hospitals would rather accept whatever little portion you are realistically able to afford rather than the alternative. You'll still probably end up paying several thousand dollars, but they will definitely set up a long-term payment plan and I can't imagine them asking for more than 20 or 30k over a 5 year period or something.. I bet it will be a lot less than that though.

Best scenario: Your mom qualifies for Medicaid or Medicare (could she now be considered disabled?) and you pay little to nothing. I don't know about Medicare but I know Medicaid covers bills retroactively up to 90 days (in my state).

As for the size of the charges... for most of those things remember that it doesn't actually cost $1000 to do a CT and the sterile supplies aren't really worth $27K as it indicates. Rather, those are the prices that the hospital must charge in order to keep its doors open and all of its facilities functional. Healthcare has ENORMOUS overhead.. open 24/7, always staffed with trained professionals, have to make up for the financial black holes that they lose money on (ER, Medicare, people who don't pay their bills, etc. etc.)

You'll be just fine. Nobody needs parents with money to attend and succeed in college anymore.. its not the 1930s. There is free grant money if you're in need and scholarship money galore if you get good grades.. not to mention part-time jobs. In fact you should consider applying to medical school because this whole ordeal will you give you something legit to write about on your "Obstacle I've overcome" essays.

I'm really sorry about your mom and not trying to sound callous, but your reaction is pretty melodramatic.. things are not as bad as you make them out to be (financially).

so it sounds like the worst case scenario is actually the best option.
 
so it sounds like the worst case scenario is actually the best option.

Exactly, but it is also the most unlikely since no hospital will send a bill of that size to a hard-working, but still low-income, single earner family and ever expect to receive a cent.
 
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