WVSOM Class of 2012!!!!!!!!!

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I am personally interested in it. I am assuming you could get the receommendation letter from the department you rotate through during clinicals but am not the right person to answer that since I am not there yet.
 
Hi everyone. Just thought I'd say that I won't be going to WVSOM 🙁 I got into my top choice school, so I withdrew my acceptance today. Thank you for being so helpful with all the questions that I've had 😍 Good luck!!
 
Hi everyone,

I'm posting this for a friend who does not have a sdn account. She is looking for roommates in Lewisburg, basically 7 minutes walking to campus.

The house is very close to downtown and all the restaurants, etc.

Nice House downtown Lewisburg:220 West Randolph Street Walking distance to WVSOM Bedroom available now $500 + utilities Large yard Female preferred

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Something has come up and I am in need of someone looking for a roomate. I am male, don't care who I live with for the first year. No pets, no smoking and I keep to myself and will be at school most of the time. I am very clean (sortof a neat freak).

PM me.
 
Maybe give us some detailed insight that you wish you had had before enrolling?

To all of you that have already made up your mind and enrolled good for you. Your oponions are not going to be affected by what I have to say. But since you implied that I was full of hot air I will say a few of my thoughts... if you are happy then there is no reason to read or make snide comments. I wish you the best of luck in your medical career, and that is not condescending, it is just a good hearted wish that you will achieve all you set your mind to.

1. I wish I had known the pass rates were below national average and the average board score was below national average. WVSOM's MCAT average score is the second to lowest of all DO schools at 21!!!!! That would be a score most schools would laugh at.

2. I wish I had known that I was required to pick (and go to lottery) from about 12 rural WV sites for my third year with no guarentee that I would get any of my first few choices. I am not from in state and want to do a residency outside of WV, which means WVSOM is serisouly hurting those chances by keeping me from doing rotations at those hospitals my third year (you need to have visited all the hospitals you wish to do a residency at by the begining of november, you third year lasts until July, good luck fitting that in). They may tell you any number of excuses why they require third year in WV but the fact of the matter is they school was given a charter because it promised to provide rural primary care providers, and I heard administration admit this is why they require your third year in rural WV.

3. I wish I had known that the school monitors your personal life, including your facebook/myspace accounts. A girl in our class was told to take down some pictures administration didnt like.

4. The school has a bit of a shady history/reputation, for example one of the founders is being sued for medicare fraud and its a well known fact that his clinic was a vicodin vending machine. It also is currently being sued by a past student that claims she was persicuted for her religion.

5. DO's are treated with little respect, COMLEX is looked down on and some hospitals will not even consider you if you are a DO. I feel the scorn in hosipitals even to the point that doc's ask me, you from wvu? when I say no, lewisburg then literally turn on their heel and walk away.

6. DO's are sopossed to have a holistic approach, but the only thing different than MD is we teach manipulation, nothing about herbal therapies, alternative medicine etc.

7. The school emphasises rural medicine to such an extent that they assume that is what you wish to go into, and taper (and omit a lot of information) your learning to that. Its like they don't want you to achieve more than family medicine.

8. There was a large cheating scandal at our school where no one was punished. The word is out around the state and high ranking doctors and politicans have noticed and look very poorly on the school. Even professors have admited to me that in hosptial circles there is a lot of talk of it and a general feeling of distaste for the lack of punishment and the school.

there is a lot more i can think of with a little time. But I really think at this point what I have to say is moot. So study hard for boards, take the USMLE and don't be afraid to dream.
 
Some of your post is a bit... inacurrate.

But I will address Facebook: What is wrong with monitoring Facebook/MySpace? I think it is actually a favor they are doing for students. I don't know the particulars of what was being monitored, but I know people who have been fired from jobs for what they post on Facebook/MySpace.

A lot of people don't seem to realize that Facebook/MySpace is NOT private and it is not one's private domain to post whatever. One of my classmates had posted some stuff on Facebook and his employers cancelled his contract due to unprofessional behavior.

Additionally with Facebook/MySpace do you want patients looking you up and seeing your partying and doing "un-doctorly" things? Those of us in our 20's will be using Facebook/MySpace long after we graduate, don't doubt that. It's a part of the culture of the 20somethings and younger.

If you get used to the idea your Facebook/MySpace is you own personal domain then you will be very surprised after graduation when potential patients or current patients see your Facebook/MySpace profile. And it will come back to bite you, too. What do you think would happen if you are sued for malpractice (hopefully never but bear with me) and a lawyer gets ahold of your Facebook/MySpace pictures of you drunk, partying, and doing "un-doctorly" things? Yeah it might be totally out of context and yeah you might drink Friday night and be totally professional in the office, but the damage is done. You might as well shut down your practice and just pay out, you'd be ruined. Your reputation would be gone.

Is that an extreme example? Yes. But it is possible and probable that something like that would happen. If I were a lawyer I'd scour the internet (which can be done in like 5 minutes using Google) for any damning evidence of unprofessional conduct by my client's doctor. You might get defensive and think that would be unethical for a lawyer to do... but come on... they're lawyers. 😉

And as cliched and dumb as this sounds, if you want Facebook/MySpace ask yourself what would you nice little old grandma think of that picture, before you put it up?

I've seen people lose their jobs over Facebook/MySpace postings. It isn't worth it. And once it is on the internet, it is always there.
 
Wow. Well, I can understand everyone's concern. Medical school is a big step, and one none of us have taken lightly. I'm a WVSOM student and a West Virginian; though I am older, and I've lived outside the state for many years and have attended many different types of universities, from large to small, public to private, top 10 to non-ranked.

WVSOM was a choice I made because I felt the current of the river was leading me there and I would have had to fight it to end up elsewhere. At that time, I hoped it was a good decision.

But things are changing drastically at WVSOM. The small institution that was the pride-and-joy of DO's in WV and elsewhere has started to alienate many graduates. I am currently on rotations at a hospital in WV with a WVSOM grad from back in the 80's. He is an amazing physician. He is a perfect preceptor in every sense of the word - from his eccentricities, to the hours he spends explaining procedures and patient care to me and the other students. In my opinion, he represents everything that WVSOM can be and was, and hopefully will be in the future.

I would like to take the time to state a few issues I think all prospective students should be aware of before applying and/or choosing a curricular track. These issues are complex, thus my comments are long.

1) WVSOM has recently doubled its enrollment. I had a professor tell me the first week of school after this size increase that administration continued to tell them all spring there would only be 130 students in the class of 2010. Then in July they said "well, 160". But he said that he knew as soon as he saw the completed lecture hall that they were going to fill every single one of those seats; which he found out for sure on the first day of orientation for 2010. The fact is that our president (now retiring) is a businessman and the school has begun to be run like a business. I generally do not think this is a problem if you view your students as customers, your professors as employees, and most importantly your product as a high-quality osteopathic education. The problem is that without a clear and concise mission from the President and Board of Governors to provide that high-quality education on every level, people lose site of the goal; people lose sight of the teamwork it takes to put 100-200 well-qualified doctors out into residency. So in spite of the fact that we have some AMAZING professors (especially in pharmacology, anatomy, neuro/psych and physio), no one is providing the funds to back up the students once they go out on years 3 and 4, and also, bad seeds (professors mired in the academic mud of day-to-day work who cannot see a goal beyond their next paycheck) are allowed to poison what would otherwise be a/n completely and impeccably amazing experience.
a) One has to ask how much respect the administration has for its professors when they cannot even be honest about how many students they will be teaching in August. The professors have to plan their semester out, etc. (I won't restate more of the obvious). I have talked with professors who feel frustrated, burned out and under-appreciated. This can lead to job dissatisfaction amongst the faculty, which translates into poorer lectures and professor-student interaction. Long-term this can be remedied, but in the fast-pace of medical education, several classes of students can go down as casualties in the meantime.
b) The doubling of enrollment has put a huge stress on the clinical rotation sites. I watched 14 of my classmates be sent to Logan Hospital. Logan barely has 14 doctors at all. I have no doubt that although ER will be exciting there, those students will receive an education very different in quality from one that WVU or Marshall (or other WVSOM sites) would provide. Furthermore, several of the doctors (WVSOM grads) in my area are so upset about the increased enrollment that they decided they will no longer take students, even though they love teaching. Although I think this is the wrong way to go about getting your message across to administration that you disagree with their new policies (it only further hurts the students), it has created a real problem in terms of placing students with a preceptor. My friend did not find out until 1 business day before her rotation whom her preceptor would be or WHERE that doctor would be located (a real problem when you were told months prior to secure housing for yourself at a specific site). Furthermore, add this to the fact that WVSOM does not pay any of the preceptors for taking students in their fourth year, and only pays for base site rotations in the third year (and this pay is comparably low). This had not been much of an issue in the past because WVSOM was the main school sending students to many of these doctors in WV and those doctors were big supporters of WVSOM. However, VCOM has now established a residency program in Bluefield, WV (we still don't have a residency program after 30+ years) and has begun to reach further into WV for preceptors to educate their 3rd and 4th year students. Guess what? VCOM pays their preceptors very well. One WVSOM grad here has said they are seriously considering signing on with VCOM after discontinuing relations with WVSOM Clin Ed over disappointment in quality of pre-clinical education (yes, that's just one, but that's 10-12 rotations in one year that will be unavailable to WVSOM students). Money certainly is an unfortunate thing to whittle this issue down to, but I think many professionals see money as a measure of respect for their time. It simply adds an hour or two to a physician's day when they have a student in their office. How does a physician justify that to his wife or child at the end of the day after years and years? Perhaps it could be remedied without money. Unfortunately, I have been told these preceptors rarely receive our required evaluations of them and Clin Ed almost never makes a visit or a phone call to say "thank you", etc. I personally have had wonderful interactions with the Clin Ed staff, and if anything, I see this as a larger institutional policy and identity issue than something reflective of individuals in the dept.
2) As an aside to #1, I have to ask why the school has decided to pump money into new buildings (many of the newest we really don't need) instead of securing the quality of their student's education first. Growth has a place, but it is best accomplished with a healthy base.
3) WVSOM's out of state tuition has become VERY high. I believe that they are dooming our rank in US News and World Report by doing this. What is the biggest reason grads state for choosing a specialty over primary care when they have an interest in both?? Debt. If they can't pay off their $175 - $225,000 loans, how can they chose rural family practice?? I believe these changes (presumably to finance all the new buildings on campus) are short-sited. Also, I don't want to be the cynic (and honestly, I am considering family practice), but who are the other people who go into family practice? The ones who can't get in to anything else. You really have to wonder how much of our number is made up of those people. The other blogger was correct - our avg MCAT was a 21. That is absolutely pathetic as an average.
b) WV is a relatively poor state. If they really want WV residents to stay here and practice, they should consider developing a high-quality residency program and lowering tuition. It's painful to get the notice of a tuition increase in your mailbox every year when you see these new buildings being built that you will never get to use.
4) PBL vs SBL. I am going to get nailed by a small percentage of my classmates for this, but simply, PBL broke DOWN for us. There is no safety net to catch the slackers - and there will always be slackers. It's hard when you get two slackers in your group of 7 or 8 and they have the ability to dictate the learning issues for the group (medicine seems to attract some people who like to play politics instead of study). There were also some atrocities regarding our exams that were enough to make most of our class want to walk out the door and never return. Studying 14 hours a day is hard enough, but walk through the door to take an exam that represents almost NOTHING you were "supposed" to have studied is absolutely heartbreaking. We were so upset, that Dr. M didn't know what to do with us, so he just stopped talking to us all together. Now I have spoken with at least 12 of my classmates and all of them have passed COMLEX1. I think it is quite possible that we will have a +90% PBL first time pass rate. Compare this with the 70% FIRST TIME pass rate from PBL last year - a big change from a class whom was basically written off by our administrators as being trouble-makers (whilst the previous was toted as being the model of PBL). I like to think the class under us has had a much more positive experience with PBL than I did partly because of all the work we put into guiding them. A manual was written by our class to guide them through the process, and many of us urged them to push through the basic sciences before moving on to pathology, pharm, etc. This info was not provided to us. In many ways, I think our class just slipped through the cracks. We were trouble because our class required so many changes and inconvenienced so many. It is just unfortunate.

All in all, I think things will get better. I think our classes' experience was a low point for the school. However, it is very possible that the 3rd and 4th clinical years will continue to be a problem for the school until it realigns some of it's focus on the quality of education rather than the expansion of the school (the hot trend with DO schools today). Change always takes restructuring and reorganizing, and chaos (even a little) is hard to avoid. I just regret that the chaos had to hit my personal medical education so hard. I feel I am capable of much more and would have preferred to spend the hundreds of hours I did wading through the maze of curriculum and policy on my studies and learning the basis of medicine. (Also, if you are a non-traditional student, I highly suggest the SBL track - it will the best job to ensure that you have all of your bases covered.)

I have learned something that I had a hard time accepting at first: 1) When it comes down to it, everyone looks out for themselves first and you have to too. 2) As a friend said to me a few weeks ago: "You don't have to fall on that sword. This is not ancient Japan and no one is going to respect you for being a martyr here."


And now, I'm going to catch some sleep so I can do a great job at the hospital tomorrow.

Best of luck to you all no matter where your paths lead you.🙄

BTW - Lewisburg IS an amazing town.
 
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Anyone from the 2012 class in in Woodland Acres? I've heard some awkward stuff about them from some online reading, but after talking with the guy on the phone, it doesn't seem all too bad. I know that the the new managment took over and seems like things are going better now. I'm looking for a place that's really close to school so that I can walk to class instead of having to drive all the time.

I talked with the manager today and he said for next year the prices will be $650/month. If anyone has some direct input, that be great!
 
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