Yale med student missing?

[calimed214]

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Not a happy ending. Body was found inside the wall of the Lab building. 🙁

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090914/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_yale_student

 

[CremasterFlash]

Not that it matters, but she was not a medical student.

 

[ponybreeder4]

This is freaking horrible. What kind of animal would do such a thing? *sigh* such a bright future..gone to waste because of some piece of **** who doesn't deserve to live

 

[09javcar]

Poor girl, I hope she is found. She had lots going for her. 🙁 Kinda sad to think Earth is a rather unsafe place to live, huh? Well, I wish she is okay, otherwise, my condolences to the fiance, that's if he was not involved.

 

[Compass]

Poor girl, I hope she is found. She had lots going for her. 🙁 Kinda sad to think Earth is a rather unsafe place to live, huh? Well, I wish she is okay, otherwise, my condolences to the fiance, that's if he was not involved.

Her body was found today at 5PM.

 

[09javcar]

Her body was found today at 5PM.

Are you SERIOUS!? That's freaking sad. Hmmmm. Well my heart goes out to her family. I hope her killer is found and rots in prison. Solitary confinement for the rest of his life is what he deserves or death penalty.

 

[Yudid]

You will probably get banned. Nobody is that stupid in real life, at least nobody that I have met.

If i dont watch news it doesnt mean that i am stupid... But u can think whatever of me and imagine urself as the smartest person in the world-i dont mind it...

 

[MarieMarie]

I am so sad for her family 🙁 I hope she didn't suffer.

 

[Hoody]

I hope her killer is found

They haven't released many details, but the attack does not sound random...

Hopefully she didn't suffer. Prayers to her BF and family. 🙁

 

[09javcar]

If i dont watch news it doesnt mean that i am stupid... But u can think whatever of me and imagine urself as the smartest person in the world-i dont mind it...

Word, how can someone judge someone else just because they don't watch the news for personal reasons? That makes a person dumb? No, a lot of the crap on news in mainly filled with BS anyways.

Yeah, same here I hope she didn't suffer. That's say sad. She was found on the day on her wedding, am I correct? Hmmmm, even more painful for those close to her. 🙁

 

[NotSur]

So so tragic. Sigh. Wow. So sad.

 

[teenmachinery1]

This is freaking unbelievable! Why the F would someone go inside the research building, kill her, stuff her body in a wall, and throw her bloody clothes on top of some ceiling tile?

??

I'm willing to wager that there was no motive and that this individual is just purely psychotic.

F'd up world we live in guys.

👎

Maybe he then pulled the alarm or something so he can kill/rape her. Because the alarm is probably related. And since her clothes were found separately from the body I'm gonna guess rape was involved. I'm sure he/she wasn't stupid enough to pull the alarm without gloves though.

 

[bamtuba]

Yeah, this sucks.

I would not be surprised, especially considering the details of this case, that the person works at the building. Scary stuff.

And yeah, this thread may now be an innapropriate place to discuss "I'm not stupid just because I don't watch the news." Events like this should help us to all remember just how short and valuable life is.

 

[09javcar]

This is freaking unbelievable! Why the F would someone go inside the research building, kill her, stuff her body in a wall, and throw her bloody clothes on top of some ceiling tile?

??

I'm willing to wager that there was no motive and that this individual is just purely psychotic.

F'd up world we live in guys.

👎

Maybe he then pulled the alarm or something so he can kill/rape her. Because the alarm is probably related. And since her clothes were found separately from the body I'm gonna guess rape was involved. I'm sure he/she wasn't stupid enough to pull the alarm without gloves though.

Is this person a troll? Is this really what happened? To much detail and as stated above the police hasn't even released any details yet.

 

[bamtuba]

Maybe he then pulled the alarm or something so he can kill/rape her. Because the alarm is probably related. And since her clothes were found separately from the body I'm gonna guess rape was involved. I'm sure he/she wasn't stupid enough to pull the alarm without gloves though.

Dude, really?

Can someone please just lock this thread now before someone else says something else (purposely or not) that would cause those that knew her real pain?

Please?

 

[09javcar]

Dude, really?

Can someone please just lock this thread now before someone else says something else (purposely or not) that would cause those that knew her real pain?

Please?

Seriously, this is no laughing matter. This is a person that was killed. Come on you have to be kidding me. Poor girl. Yes this is a sad world. People making fun of those who die and suffer. GREAT!

 

[bamtuba]

Not that it matters, but she was not a medical student.

She did work with quite a few, at least while she was in NY.

 

[teenmachinery1]

I'm not at all making it into a laughing matter, if that's what you're suggesting I'm doing.

I'm just saying this was a horrible act, and the surrounding circumstances suggest a premeditation that only adds to the tragedy.

 

[teenmachinery1]

Is this person a troll? Is this really what happened? To much detail and as stated above the police hasn't even released any details yet.

I'm not a troll and these are the details released by the police. thx.

 

[brooklynblunder]

wow RIP

prayers to the family

 

[dingyibvs]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/13/missing.yale.student/index.html

 

[09javcar]

I'm not a troll and these are the details released by the police. thx.

I'll retract my statement. But next time please don't go into the assumption of her being raped. For me, and I didn't even know her, its hard. Now imagine her family. I detest crimes against women, especially rape.

 

[bamtuba]

I'll retract my statement. But next time please don't go into the assumption of her being raped. For me, and I didn't even know her, its hard. Now imagine her family. I detest crimes against women, especially rape.

The details did not include this. This did not come from the police, but was speculation deserving the type of comment you made. They are going to be working through the night to recover the body.

But again, can people just not speculate? That would be best.

 

[dingyibvs]

I'll retract my statement. But next time please don't go into the assumption of her being raped. For me, and I didn't even know her, its hard. Now imagine her family. I detest crimes against women, especially rape.

It's just speculation, and most likely a correct one as well. How would pure speculation affect you or her family and friends? Murder/Rape should be the first thing that pops into one's mind upon hearing something like this.

 

[09javcar]

It's just speculation, and most likely a correct one as well. How would pure speculation affect you or her family and friends? Murder/Rape should be the first thing that pops into one's mind upon hearing something like this.

Well if they are optimist and try to think the best, not rape and stuff. Then yes that would affect them greatly. Well, lets hope she wasn't raped! Poor girl. Very sad way to die. How can these places be so unsafe.

 

[MarieMarie]

It's just speculation, and most likely a correct one as well. How would pure speculation affect you or her family and friends? Murder/Rape should be the first thing that pops into one's mind upon hearing something like this.

I'm pretty sure the first thing that pops into one's mind upon hearing something like this should be along the lines of "my god, what a tragedy."

This thread is only going to get worse 👎

 

[bamtuba]

It's just speculation, and most likely a correct one as well. How would pure speculation affect you or her family and friends? Murder/Rape should be the first thing that pops into one's mind upon hearing something like this.

Kind of like when you have someone cheat on you. You think you want all the details until you actually have them. Then you wish you had never known/asked/thought about it.

You can speculate all you want, just find a place to do it where people will not have known her.

That place is not here.

 

[dingyibvs]

Kind of like when you have someone cheat on you. You think you want all the details until you actually have them. Then you wish you had never known/asked/thought about it.

You can speculate all you want, just find a place to do it where people will not have known her.

That place is not here.

Hmmm, I see. Now that's an analogy I can relate to....

 

[BlueElmo]

I feel so bad for her family and her fiance.🙁
I hope the criminal is brought to justice.

 

[Slowpoke]

This is terrible. I was hoping she just got cold feet and was a run-away bride. I never thought something like this could happen, the timing was just incredibly unlucky.

SHE WAS ABOUT TO GET MARRIED.....

 

[dingyibvs]

This is terrible. I was hoping she just got cold feet and was a run-away bride. I never thought something like this could happen, the timing was just incredibly unlucky.

SHE WAS ABOUT TO GET MARRIED.....

Yea, terrible isn't it.... I guess the only good thing that can happen right now is to catch the killer, which doesn't sound too difficult with the amount of physical evidence left in the building.

 

[thebluehour]

wow, RIP 🙁

 

[teenmachinery1]

I don't know though..

The killer must've known her. He/she didn't just wander around and find her and do these things. I wouldn't be surprised if he/she was a student.

I mean he/she put her in a wall in the basement. The clothes I could understand, but he must've a)known there was a flipping basement b)knew how to put her in the wall.

And about the fire-alarm, that's a lot of planning. I wouldn't be surprised if the killer isn't caught.

There are also dozens, i think around 60-70 cameras on or very near the building. WTF?

On another note- everyone please chill out about the forum. The family is not on SDN. You guys are so quick for censorship, jeez.

 

[277768]

Yeah, I knew she died.

There's video camera footage of her entering the building and none of leaving the building. 75 cameras monitor that building at Yale. That's a lot. None show her leaving..


Oops, body found.

Sad and awful. Her fiance is really smart too.

 

[Bac Si]

f*ck dude. this is sad as hell. being Vietnamese myself, I can only imagine how the parents are feeling right now. They immigrated here from Vietnam and for what? For their child to grad school and be success which is the golden dream for every Vietnamese parent and now this happen. sad sad sad. R.I.P

 

[Hoody]

f*ck dude. this is sad as hell. being Vietnamese myself, I can only imagine how the parents are feeling right now. They immigrated here from Vietnam and for what? For their child to grad school and be success which is the golden dream for every Vietnamese parent and now this happen. sad sad sad. R.I.P

No difference in how devastated her parents and family must be, but she was raised in Cali and her parents own some nail salons...they (the news) actually insinuated that money may have been a motive.

I agree with teenmachinery. I think that the killer definitely knew her, and that he/she was affiliated with Yale, be it as a faculty member, another student, or a staff member. Not sure about the fire alarm, as it was supposedly automatically activated by some steam (which is either total coincidence's, or pretty deep planning). And then there is the professor who suddenly canceled a seminar/class that she was supposed to attend right around the time that she was suspected to have gone missing.

Lots of details to be sorted out.

 

[Baller MD]

f*ck dude. this is sad as hell. being Vietnamese myself, I can only imagine how the parents are feeling right now. They immigrated here from Vietnam and for what? For their child to grad school and be success which is the golden dream for every Vietnamese parent and now this happen. sad sad sad. R.I.P

Chao Bac Si.

Definitely a sad story though. 🙁

 

[MissMuffet]

Police: Clothes seized in lab are not what Le was wearing

The bloody clothes seized from a ceiling at 10 Amistad St. on Saturday are not what Annie Le MED '13 was wearing when she entered that facility Tuesday, a source within the Yale Police Department said today.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/crosscampus/

HTH a little WRT the earlier speculation. Made me feel a little better, anyway.

Still gut-wrenching.
RIP, Annie.

 

[Zona Pellucida]

Horrible recent developments. Although I can't say I am surprised.

RIP.

 

[LuciusVorenus]

They say the door to the lab she was in needed an id card to be opened, so let's hope the person who did it actually used his ID card so they can catch him 🙁

Also, if they clothes they found weren't hers, then it's probably safe to guess they belonged to the person who did it? And if her id card (which she needs to enter the lab?) was found in her office then maybe the person went back there?

I don't know 🙁 I just want them to find him/her as quickly as possible

 

[MBHockey]

So unbelievably sad. She had her whole life in front of her. 🙁

and the lack of respect by some people in this thread is disgusting.

 

[bamtuba]

On another note- everyone please chill out about the forum. The family is not on SDN. You guys are so quick for censorship, jeez.

But her former lab mates are.

Just quit digging.

 

[KMFDM]

That's pretty frightening. I was very excited for my Yale interview in a few weeks, now it will probably be a rather somber occasion.

 

[MossPoh]

How about we refrain from hasty assumptions about the killer or what happened until more information is released?

Statistically, yes, it is most likely to have been someone that knew her. Was the body found in a wall AT the building? If so, how the hell did it take them so long to find it? You'd have to know the building pretty well for something like that. Not to mention, if they have cameras and card swipes like most every university I've ever been to, then they can narrow suspects down fairly quick.

 

[277768]

Looks like they have a suspect, someone failed the lie-detector test...and has defensive wounds on them...

The news is saying that those bloody clothes are probably those of the assailant, so presumably...if there's a + DNA match to the suspect, game over?

 

[austinap]

Looks like they have a suspect, someone failed the lie-detector test...and has defensive wounds on them...

The news is saying that those bloody clothes are probably those of the assailant, so presumably...if there's a + DNA match to the suspect, game over?

Hopefully they have real evidence, because lie detectors are crap. Even with untrained subjects, they don't detect deception much better than chance alone. While I'm all for getting this guy, they need something better than that.

 

[Beta Cell]

Hopefully they have real evidence, because lie detectors are crap. Even with untrained subjects, they don't detect deception much better than chance alone. While I'm all for getting this guy, they need something better than that.

That isn't true at all. What you're saying is that if I stood behind a door, never seeing the suspect, I would have nearly as good of a chance at guessing whether the suspect was lying or not as a lie detector? There are some strategies for beating lie detectors that are suspected to be effective, but it's pretty conclusive that there is a better than even shot at detecting lies using a lie detector with error rates probably higher than would be desirable.

The point is, if you fail a lie detector, you should definitely advance further as a viable suspect, not remain at your current level of suspicion.

 

[austinap]

That isn't true at all. What you're saying is that if I stood behind a door, never seeing the suspect, I would have nearly as good of a chance at guessing whether the suspect was lying or not as a lie detector? There are some strategies for beating lie detectors that are suspected to be effective, but it's pretty conclusive that there is a better than even shot at detecting lies using a lie detector with error rates probably higher than would be desirable.

The point is, if you fail a lie detector, you should definitely advance further as a viable suspect, not remain at your current level of suspicion.

Most psychologists disagree with you:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-09-lie_x.htm

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9673590/Eriksson-Lacerda-2007

http://www.psychologymatters.org/polygraphs.html

Combine the unreliability of lie detectors with standard Bayesian statistics and you have a complete mess.

 

[Beta Cell]

Last year, Attorney General John Ashcroft estimated the false-positive rate of polygraphs at 15%, about a one-in-six chance, at a news conference.

Studies offer a mixed picture. In 1996 the Journal of General Psychology looked at 41 criminal cases and found that control-question tests were 93-96% accurate. Tests where some study participant pretended to steal $5-20 have produced similar findings.

A 1997 survey of 421 psychologists estimated the test's average validity at about 61%, a little better than chance. And University of Utah psychologists published a 1994 report that suggested biting your tongue, pressing your toes to the floor and counting backwards by 7's during control questions would screw up the accuracy of polygraphs.

Even the counterargument places the validity at 61%. This is from your OWN sources too.

 

[austinap]

Even the counterargument places the validity at 61%. This is from your OWN sources too.

I said that they weren't much better than chance. 61% isn't much better than chance. You also missed my second point, looking at the statistics of it.

Let's assume there were 100 people that were potential suspects, and only one killer. This seems to be a reasonable assumption. Taking the validity of the lie detector into account, let's use the numbers

P(fail | killer) = 0.61 (the probability that you'll fail the test given that you're the killer)
P(fail | not killer) = 0.39 (the probability that you'll fail even if you're innocent)

Then given the numbers of people, selecting any random person, we have:

P(killer) = 1 / 100
P(not killer) = 99 / 100

Putting it all together, we want to see how likely someone is to be the killer given that they failed a polygraph test:

P(killer | fail) = P(fail | killer)P(killer) / [P(fail | killer)P(killer) + P(fail | not killer)P(not killer)]

Plugging in the numbers, we get:

P(killer | fail) = 0.0156, or a 1.6% chance that the person was the killer given that they failed a polygraph. That's next to useless, given that selecting any random person would give you a 1% chance of having chosen correctly based on absolutely no evidence at all. If an individual fails a polygraph under these conditions, they still have a 98.4% chance of being innocent, only slightly down from the 99% chance they had before.

Let's make it stronger. Let's say that there were only 10 possible suspects, so now

P(killer) = 1/10
P(not killer) = 9/10

Now, P(killer | fail) = 14.8%, or ~5% more likely than having chosen a random person. Again, next to useless.