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so i'm on the search for info on yale - i really liked it there and it will be either my #1 or #2 choice but i have a few questions-

1) do they get transplants- someone recently told me they didn't but i had written that they did ?

2) how many fmg's are in each class? does this decrease the reputation of the program?

3) no simulator?

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Hi Anes,

1) Yale does have transplants. They started doing more liver transplants this summer, hiring additional faculty to expand the program: http://www.medicineatyale.org/v3i6_nov_dec_2007/lifelines.html
2) Yale, like Brigham (and I think MGH as well) purposefully sets aside a few spots each year for FMGs. These docs have often finished a complete residency and sometimes fellowship in their home country. Usually these docs will have something unique in terms of research background or otherwise that they bring to the program - I think that's why these spots exist.
3) Yale does have a simulator, as well as faculty (Dr. Rosenblatt) dedicated to making sure the residents get plenty of opportunities to use it.
There are also dedicated workshops for regional anesthesia and transvenous pacemaker placement.

Good luck with the rest of interview season!
 
anyone know about moonlighting at yale, is it allowed?
 
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hi - thanks so much for your help!

so i keep hearing how yale is a "malignant" program and the residents work really hard.....does anyone know if this is true? what is a typical day? compared to other programs?

thanks so much!
 
If I remember correctly -- Yale does have moonlighting. I think the Chair instituted a dinner break while you are on call. I think she orders food for the residents on call and then a moonlighting resident comes in and gives everyone a dinner break. The exact amount, I don't remember.
 
Yale's anesthesia program is a solid one, but I've heard from someone at a top Harvard program that the Yale residents are overworked even in the presence of CRNAs. The person who told me this had a sibling who just graduated from Yale. Yale residents work long hours and some of the staff members are arrogant and malignant. One of the big-name members did some wrongful activities long ago. PM me for details. Be careful and look carefully into this. Unfortunately, despite the "big" undergraduate name, the anesthesia program, in particular, is not superb. Additionally, people in the northeast are aware of this fact, i.e., they know which "big name" programs are the best AND stand for their names! So again, look into this carefully. Don't be fooled by the name.

Cheers.
 
Current CA-1 at Yale here. Can't stand idly by after this one. I am absolutely ecstatic that I'm at this program. Here has been my average day during my first 7 months:

0615-0700: Arrive, set up my room. As I get more experience this has become later. Probably arrive on average at 0630.

0700-0730: See my first patient, pre-op if needed (outpatient), put in IV

From then on we do anywhere from 1-5 cases. In the main OR when we are done we usually have to do 1-2 pre-ops. On average I am out at 1700. I have gone home as early as 1600, or as late as 1900 (although this is rare).

I average about 4-5 overnight calls a month, very reasonable.

To respond to some of these statements:

Yale residents are overworked even in the presence of CRNAs
There is 1 CRNA in the main OR, and about 3-5 in ambulatory. I do feel that we work hard, I will never dispute that, but by no means do I feel overworked. I feel the more cases you get in residency the better.

Yale residents work long hours and some of the staff members are arrogant and malignant.
If you call 60-65 hours a week long. During my current CA-1 year this has been the average. I can think of 1 or 2 weeks where I was above that. As for the staff I have had no problems in 7 months. I'm sure "some" of the staff at every program can be hard to deal with.

One of the big-name members did some wrongful activities long ago. PM me for details.
Ok........ I'm not aware of that, not saying you are wrong. Just not sure what the relevance is.

I encourage all PM's with questions. My best advice is to talk to as many residents as you can. Ones that are actually at the programs you are interested in. They know their program the best (obviously). Hopefully some other people at Yale will chime in.
 
Yale's anesthesia program is a solid one, but I've heard from someone at a top Harvard program that the Yale residents are overworked even in the presence of CRNAs. The person who told me this had a sibling who just graduated from Yale. Yale residents work long hours and some of the staff members are arrogant and malignant. One of the big-name members did some wrongful activities long ago. PM me for details. Be careful and look carefully into this. Unfortunately, despite the "big" undergraduate name, the anesthesia program, in particular, is not superb. Additionally, people in the northeast are aware of this fact, i.e., they know which "big name" programs are the best AND stand for their names! So again, look into this carefully. Don't be fooled by the name.

Cheers.

do you know how yale compares to columbia or penn?
 
Hi Anes,

1) Yale does have transplants. They started doing more liver transplants this summer, hiring additional faculty to expand the program: http://www.medicineatyale.org/v3i6_nov_dec_2007/lifelines.html
2) Yale, like Brigham (and I think MGH as well) purposefully sets aside a few spots each year for FMGs. These docs have often finished a complete residency and sometimes fellowship in their home country. Usually these docs will have something unique in terms of research background or otherwise that they bring to the program - I think that's why these spots exist.
3) Yale does have a simulator, as well as faculty (Dr. Rosenblatt) dedicated to making sure the residents get plenty of opportunities to use it.
There are also dedicated workshops for regional anesthesia and transvenous pacemaker placement.

Good luck with the rest of interview season!

Some clarifications:

1. True and false. They do have a program but they have only one trained liver transplant anesthesiologist

2. False. They have FMGs because they can't match all AMG. In fact they have 2-5 FMGs every year and NO they did not complete full residencies anywhere else. No research either, just can't fill the spots.

3. False. Yale does NOT have a simulator and Dr. Rosenblatt only teaches residents in the OR about airway management.

Overall a VERY mediocre program..Its always a good idea to be truthful....http://img.studentdoctor.net/images/smilies/frown.gif
 
Working in private practice, I would tell you to look for programs that excel in 1) regional anesthesia, 2) OB anesthesia, 3)TEE and 4) pediatrics in that order. If you are going into private practice, liver transplants DO NOT MATTER. You will never do them...However, regional anesthesia is essential in an optimal private practice setting...You will greatly benefit if you are comfortable placing upper and lower extremity peripheral nerve catheters, and if you are able to block virtually any nerve for any surgery. Top "regional-centric" programs will have residents doing 300-500+ blocks/resident during their residency...OB-I would look to programs where you are able to place 70+epidurals/month during your OB rotation, averaging 250+epidurals/resident...TEE- look to do at least 50+ TEE's 1:1 with an attending...I typically don't use a TEE now, but it will elucidate your understanding of the heart forever...and for peds, look for programs where you get to do tons of bread & butter peds...I did more pedi hearts during residency than tonsils...now I do 16 tonsils a day and no pedi hearts...get the picture? (I had a suboptimal peds experience)...As far as everything else-don't worry about it...everyone gets enough lap choles, hernia repairs, heads, backs, and vascular stuff. If you really want good & VALUABLE training, follow my advice...Also, I have noticed that programs that have taken the time to develop an exceptional regional experience are the ones that already have everything else running well. Yale is not one of these programs.
 
I didn't apply to yale, nor do I know anyone who is. I can't help notice that the two people on this thread who said negative things about Yale were med students. Both of whom, Id bet money have some interest in the program themselves:rolleyes:
It goes without saying that I'm taking what people say here with a grain of salt and I hope other applicants do the same.
 
2. False. They have FMGs because they can't match all AMG. In fact they have 2-5 FMGs every year and NO they did not complete full residencies anywhere else. No research either, just can't fill the spots.

This is an absolutely absurd statement. Not even remotely plausible that Yale can't fill. Absurd.
 
Some clarifications:

1. True and false. They do have a program but they have only one trained liver transplant anesthesiologist

2. False. They have FMGs because they can't match all AMG. In fact they have 2-5 FMGs every year and NO they did not complete full residencies anywhere else. No research either, just can't fill the spots.

3. False. Yale does NOT have a simulator and Dr. Rosenblatt only teaches residents in the OR about airway management.

Overall a VERY mediocre program..Its always a good idea to be truthful....http://img.studentdoctor.net/images/smilies/frown.gif

I am a current CA-1 at yale. I thought it would be useful to clarify what was said above:
1) We have zero FMGs in my class.
2) Dr. Rosenblatt runs an airway workshop exclusively for the residents (during teaching time outside of the OR), in addition to giving multiple lectures throughout the residency.
His "advanced airway management" teaching has seemed to rub off on the other faculty too - almost every day, the attending that I am working with will say "let's practice airway management - get the fiberoptic/glidescope/mcgrath/bougie/ or intubating LMA- which one do you want to use?". I had "elective" experience using all of these devices by my 3rd month in the OR. I also did an awake fiberoptic (with Dr. Rosenblatt) during my first month in the OR.
3) Even the most famous members of the faculty are quite accessible. Dr. Hines gives a weekly conference exclusively for the residents, and she is incredibly warm and personable. Dr. Barash is working with the residents at least several times a week. I or my fellow CA-1s have already worked with Dr. Schwartz, Dr. Ruskin, Dr. Sinatra, Dr. Marschall, and Dr. Modak.
4) I'm not sure what the above poster means by "liver transplant trained anesthesiologist" - we have 4 adult anesthesia attendings and 2 pedi anesthesia attendings who have additional training in liver transplant.
 
I have to agree with NCDoc-he is dead on re: regional and ob experience as a resident. Having had multiple friends at Yale as residents, they have told me that residents do not get a good regional experience. They need to bring in some new regional faculty as noted in multiple classified ads for yale in recent months in A&A and Anesthesioloy. My friends at Yale have told me that Yale has one of the lowest starting academic salaries (hence recruiting young talented regional anesthesiologists will be difficult). This is my friend's take on the situation (who was a resident at Yale). If you want the best, you need to pay them-don't count on the name as a recruiting device...
 
Reflections from a current resident at Yale:

1) FANTASTIC CLINICAL TRAINING. Huge cases with knowledgeable and friendly attendings. My own experience has included multiple livers (pedi and adult), liver-kidney, and heart t-plants. Outside of t-plant, I've done at least 5 deep hypothermic arrest cases, a good chunk of the usual thoracic and vascular, and the typical middle of the night traumas. I did these all by early in my CA-2 year. I have very few complaints about the quality of my clinical training.

I've done these cases with the likes of Barash (wrote the book on everything), Hines (edited the books on everything else), Ehrenwerth (wrote the book on machines), Perrino (wrote the book on echo), Marshall (ever hear of a mobile plaque on echo? it's because she demonstrated that they mattered), , Rafferty (wrote the, eh, parchment on echo), Ruskin (wrote the book on OR technology), Rosenblatt (the airway maestro), and numerous other folks who are well-respected and perfectly approachable. At other programs, these kinds of people are often hiding in a lab somewhere. At Yale, they're holding cricoid for you. Just about every week, all these characters are in the OR.

2) IS IT MALIGNANT? No, but I do work hard. Typically, hours are in the 60s. We work hard during these hours. I've had two weeks in two years that exceeded 80, and it practically caused the chiefs and program director to send me a fruit-basket in apology. The truth behind the malignant rumor is that OR volume HAS grown tremendously in the last few years, and work-hours have spiked despite still not being terrible. It is clear to me that the program director, associate director, and chair find late non-call days unacceptable for our educational and personal well-being. Such days have increased in frequency, and the hospital is hiring a slew of evening CRNAs to fix this temporary issue. In the short term, the educational protected time has suffered, but it has not passed the notice of the department hierarchy.

The flip side of the increased volume is that Yale is more and more a happening surgical center. We're getting liver patients flown in nationally, ENT patients nationally, onc-surg patients internationally, aortic arch repairs from everywhere, and we have a 10 story cancer hospital with a whole new set of ORs opening in a year. This program is thriving as the surgery program continues to grow in prominence.

In sum, don't come if you don't want to work hard, but don't NOT come because you want a life. Your clinical training will rock, and all us residents manage to have a life outside the hospital if we want it. And speaking of life, there are houses and condos in safe, beautiful neighborhoods a 10 minute drive (during rush hour) away that you can afford on a resident's salary. Try finding that in Boston or NYC.

3) RESEARCH: For non-clinical research, the entire resource of Yale Medical School is 200 feet from the hospital, and the department has been supportive of those who want to do non-clinical research. On the clinical side, all the above faculty and more are there and available. You don't have to do research, but it's there if you want it.

4) FMGs: We have several FMGs each year who do great work and add to the rich cultural environment of our department. How come our profession is the one educated guild in the world that accepts xenophobia as normal and appropriate? If FMGs bother someone, I'd recommend they go interview at Bob Jones Univ. At Yale, we generallly match well with good residents. The higher ups in the dept have made it clear that they welcome diversity. 'nuff said.

Come check Yale out and see for yourself.
 
As a follow up, Yale did NOT fill in the match last year and they do have FMGs.
 
Yale has some wonderful foreign medical grads who add great fun, skill, and diversity to the program. I am on call with one such attending this weekend. He was an anesthesiologist for 10 years before coming to Yale and starting over. He is delightful and skillful.
Not only is ETT911 misinformed about Yale (see all the trashing posts in other threads) but he/she is xenophobic, too.
If you're interested in being in the Northeast, come check us out. We are a great program and a great community in a fun and livable and affordable city.
If you only want to be with Americans, definitely - please! - go elsewhere.
If you want great training and are good to work with, please check us out.
 
I haven't looked at this forum in a while. Boy, this is a tough crowd .
It's clear to me that ETT911 has some partial information about this program(incomplete at best), most of which he seems to deliberately distort; I'm not sure what your reasons are, clearly you have some problems with this place.
I am a CA3 here at Yale and honestly I am sort of shocked to see what people can say about one program or another.
Few questions to ask yourself are "What do I want from a residency program? What are my standards? What does malignant mean? What is a good program? What do you want the program to do for you? Why are programs judged by the number of FMGs?" Do you actually think for a second that the mere fact that you are an AMG makes you better than an FMG? Think again.
I think when you apply for residency you need to grow up a little. Realize that you are about to start training in what you're going to do as a specialist.
Training at Yale is outstanding; I haven't trained for anesthesia anywhere else, so I cannot compare, but I can't possibly imagine what is that one can get better in terms of clinical exposure and training. Moreover, I don't think that any program can do for you what you cannot do for yourself.
I lost track of the number of major cases I did here; here you start doing livere transplants in the second part of your CA1 year. By the way, there are 3 adult and 2 pedi anesthesia attendings that do Liver transplants(not sure where you get your sources ETT911, but they are incomplete at best). You can do heart transplant whenever one comes, and let me assure you, there is no shortage of cases here; in fact, my feeling is that not all residents want to do these cases, because they are indeed challenging and can be pretty long. The only transplant that Yale does not do is Lung transplant; those cases are rarely handled by residents anyway, at most programs the cardiac fellows do it.
Thoracic and vascular cases are plently. Yale gets refferals from all over the country for Aortic surgery.
Our attendings? What can I tell you, most of them are walking encyclopedias. When you are in the OR with them you are actually talking to the people who wrote the book and created the standard on the topic.
During our 3rd year we have mock oral series weekly, where each CA3 is given an oral exam in front of his class. To remind everyone , there are 5 actual oral board examiners in our program, and they create these scenarios. In January we start the written board preparation series. The program makes sure that all their residents are prepared to pass the boards.
Simulator? Yes we have one, and there is a simulator series class once a month.
What else? Number of hours- between 60 and 70 in your first year, and less in subsequent years. I average 56-66 hours in my 3rd year.
For sure this is not the program where you will leave at 3pm everyday, so if that's what you're looking for you this is not the place. But I can tell you how it works with the relief: the first call comes in at 4pm everyday and starts assigning either CRNAs or call residents to relieve the noncall residents. The program director asks for emails with specific explanations of all the cases when a resident who is not on call stays in the OR after 6pm, or fi the noncall resident started a new case at or after 4pm.

I am sure there are other nice programs outthere, and if you are interviewing, you have to go see these places for yourself.
Do not decide not to go to Yale because of what ETT911 says on this forum. I see there are quite a few people who replied to these bad comments, and all of them recognized that they are residents at Yale. It says a lot I think, when so many residents are defending theyir program without having to do it, in anonymity.
Come and check out the program and decide for yourself.
Good luck.
 
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