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Last year I walked in on my partner doing a Transarterial axillary block. The patient was having a seizure. This M.D. uses 50 mls of 0.75% Bupivacaine mixed with 1.5% Lidocaine 1:100,000. The patient weighed 55Kg and was 72 years of age.

Saturation was 98%, the pulse was 36 and BP wasn't reading.

How would you handle this complication? What drug would you give first and why?
 
LAST doesn't mean how long JPP will LAST on Viagra (not that a stud like him needs any assistance):

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Call for help. Manage the airway, control seizures(Benzodiazepines), BLS/ACLS(Altered drug dosing, Epi 10-100ug, avoid Vaso).

In terms of Lipid Emulsion timing still varies, all the way from aggressive to after failed ACLS. Bolus 20% 1.5ml/kg, infusion 0.25ml/kg, repeat bolus if things are still going downhill, up the maintenance to 0.5ml/kg as well.
 
I would start by calling for additional assistance to bring any necessary airway/resuscitation equipment that may not be in the block area (not sure about yours, but our block area has all the same stuff as our OR anesthesia carts, plus block equipment). I would then support oxygenation/ventilation, and secure the airway, while giving fluid and administering the intralipid kept in the block area cart. If hypotension or arrythmia persists, then I would repeat the bolus. While doing these tasks, I would also draw up dilute (10mcg/mL) epinephrine, if needed for hemodynamic support.

Edit: Damnit, you beat me
 
Epi, 10 mcg boluses, intralipid.
Better hope you have a bypass pump nearby, cause you're probably going to need it...
 
50 mls of 0.75% Bupivacaine mixed with 1.5% Lidocaine 1:100,000.

Is that 50 mL of 0.75% bupiv? Or 25 mL 0.75% bupiv + 25 mL 1.5% lido?

ECG shows ... ?





Aside: I did a hysterectomy today. Surgeon asked for sterile milk, and the tech somehow located the intralipid in our block cart and brough that to the OR. :smack:
 
1. Airway management. Dude needs to be intubated. I'd BVM him until the airway cart arrived, concurrently administering benzos/barbs and doing ACLS.

2. Dude needs something for the seizure. I bet his jaw is tight as catshit. Would you consider sux to make him flaccid and then tube the guy? Doesn't fix the seizure but it gets your his airway. Or will it fuck up his potassium and konk his heart?

3. His heart stopped so we gotta go to ACLS and he needs a monitor. We know the offender, or so we think, so we need to take steps to fix it and prevent further damage. So that intralipid stuff needs to go in, as does Epi. Go down the algo regarding shockable vs nonshockable rhythms. I'd also do the rest of the quick chem and bloods just to make sure I'm not chasing a zebra when I should be chasing a horse.
 
1. Airway management. Dude needs to be intubated. I'd BVM him until the airway cart arrived, concurrently administering benzos/barbs and doing ACLS.

2. Dude needs something for the seizure. I bet his jaw is tight as catshit. Would you consider sux to make him flaccid and then tube the guy? Doesn't fix the seizure but it gets your his airway. Or will it fuck up his potassium and konk his heart?

3. His heart stopped so we gotta go to ACLS and he needs a monitor. We know the offender, or so we think, so we need to take steps to fix it and prevent further damage. So that intralipid stuff needs to go in, as does Epi. Go down the algo regarding shockable vs nonshockable rhythms. I'd also do the rest of the quick chem and bloods just to make sure I'm not chasing a zebra when I should be chasing a horse.

I think the LAST is the horse here and anything else would be the zebra. That's a lot of local for a little old guy. That's what...375mg of lidocaine and 162mg of bupivacaine. So about 7mg/kg and 3+mg/kg respectively.
 
Is that 50 mL of 0.75% bupiv? Or 25 mL 0.75% bupiv + 25 mL 1.5% lido?

ECG shows ... ?





Aside: I did a hysterectomy today. Surgeon asked for sterile milk, and the tech somehow located the intralipid in our block cart and brough that to the OR. :smack:


total volume of 50ml. 50/50 mix of 0.75% Bup and 1.5% Lido with epi 1:100,000.

Thus, the actual mixture was 50 ml of 0.375% Bup and 0.75% lido with 1:200,000 of epi.

EKG showed Sinus Brady but escape beats were showing up as well.
 
I think the LAST is the horse here and anything else would be the zebra. That's a lot of local for a little old guy. That's what...375mg of lidocaine and 162mg of bupivacaine. So about 7mg/kg and 3+mg/kg respectively.


Correct. It's a Horse alright. What is the role of SUX in this situation? An old, war horse MD in our ASA Newsletter recommends SUX here. I'm not as certain as him. If the IV becomes dislodged due to convulsions I'd go IM Sux but if the IV remains patent I'd go with Versed and AmbuBag.

I'd use the Lipid if the first and second round of low dose Epi fails. I agree Vasopressin is not a good choice here.

Of course, the CRASH CART is a good idea and get ready to intubate the patient if the low dose Epi fails.

Fortunately, this patient did respond to the low dose EPi and the ambubag was sufficient.
 
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Correct. It's a Horse alright. What is the role of SUX in this situation? An old, war horse MD in our ASA Newsletter recommends SUX here. I'm not as certain as him. If the IV becomes dislodged due to convulsions I'd go IM Sux but if the IV remains patents I'd go with Versed and AmbuBag.

I'd use the Lipid if the first and second round of low dose Epi fails. I agree Vasopressin is not a good choice here.

Of course, the CRASH CART is a good idea and get ready to intubate the patient if the low dose Epi fails.

Fortunately, this patient did respond to the low dose EPi and the ambubag was sufficient.

Let's say the patient arouses after 15 minutes and you have a great block. NSR, Sat of 99% and BP of 148/88. Would you do the case?
 
Let's say the patient arouses after 15 minutes and you have a great block. NSR, Sat of 99% and BP of 148/88. Would you do the case?


would cancel and monitor. there might be a rebound phenomenon from the local.

Additionally, although you didnt have to use the IntraLipid for rescue, I dont think running a background infusion of the intralipid at 0.25ml/kg is a bad idea for the next 12 hours or so.....
 
Thus we emphasize that primary therapy remains adherence to proven guidelines—cardiac and SpO2 monitoring, proper availability and dosing of all local anesthetics, immediate means to support ventilation, proper cardiac compressions during CPR, and application of proven advanced life support techniques. Only then should lipid rescue be considered in the therapeutic algorithm.
 
LE infusions modulate cytokine production by mononuclear white cells in response to Candida yeast, suggesting an increased risk of infection11,12; LE infusions may produce thrombophlebitis during peripheral IV administration13; they may lead to impaired reticuloendothelial system function and altered inflammatory responses during long-term therapy14,15; they may induce allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, especially if they contain soy bean oil16,17; they may result in pulmonary, splenic, placental, and cerebral fat emboli, especially if the emulsified fat particles are greater than 5 microns in diameter18,19; they may cause pulmonary hypertension if administered at rates larger than 100 mg · kg−1 · h−1 19; they may lead to warfarin resistance by facilitating warfarin binding to albumin20; they may interfere with extracorporeal membrane oxygenation circuits21; they may induce weakness, altered mental status, and seizures in children22; and they may induce an increase in the intracranial pressure after a severe traumatic brain injury.23 Because of the many possible side effects associated with LE administration, the multiple types and combinations of lipid preparations, the various free fatty acid concentrations, and the wide range of lipid globule sizes available, some experts have suggested the adoption of certain pharmaceutical requirements and standards.24–26 Of all these reported side effects, however, only allergic reactions are likely to arise after acute, short-term administration, such as would occur with administration of LE for rescue from local anesthetic toxicity.
Based on the available evidence, therefore, it would seem imprudent to withhold LE administration in local anesthetic-induced toxicity clinical settings while awaiting scientific proof. This recommendation is not to imply, however, that administration of LE should be the first step in such a clinical setting. Clearly, CNS symptoms such as loss of responsiveness, disorientation, tremors, or seizures must be treated conventionally by ensuring oxygenation and ventilation, securing the airway to protect aspiration of gastric contents in patients at risk, administering anticonvulsants, and instituting advanced cardiac life support protocols in the case of cardiac arrest. Once these conventional treatment modalities have begun, however, immediate IV administration of LE would seem very reasonable and desirable.
 
Why the reluctance to go with intralipid early?

The patient responded immediately to the Midazolam and Epi 10 micrograms. I have no issues with starting a Lipid infusion. Would you have bolused this patient with Lipids even though she was no longer in arrest? Or, just start an infusion?

Lipids can reverse the CNS effects of Local.
 
An aggressive strategy would be to infuse lipid at the earliest sign of systemic toxicity. This may result in the unnecessary treatment of many patients given that only a fraction are expected to progress to cardiovascular collapse. The most reasonable approach at this time, lacking rigorous data supporting one extreme over the other, is somewhere in between. The clinical context, severity, and rate of progression of clinical signs of toxicity should guide the use of lipid therapy.


http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/aug08/clinical2.asp

http://www.asra.com/checklist-for-local-anesthetic-toxicity-treatment-1-18-12.pdf


Prolonged monitoring (> 12 hours) is recommended



after any signs of systemic LA toxicity, since cardiovascular

depression due to local anesthetics can persist

or recur after treatment.



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What about the role of Sux? Did you read this month's Newsletter? When do you start the Lipid? Some wait for the Epi to work (in this case she had a seizure and was not in V.Tach or V.Fib) before starting the Lipid.

Have you ever been there? Ever code a LAST? It's not as black and white as you think.


Any comments about the role of Sux here?
 
If I had got a 911 call to this I would have (as an EMT):

-Given 5mg IM of versed for the seizer
-After looking at the BP + Pulse +EKG I would have thought unstable bradycardia and transcutaneously paced the patient @ 80BPM.
-If I got capture and correct the rate, but not BP, I would start with a fluid bolus NS and maybe pressors.
-Protect airway and transport

After reading your guys' responses I see how little I know lol.
 
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Yes but as an EMT you would never be called to a case like this unless some one is practicing blocks on their friends and family at home. Your plan is reasonable for someone that an EMT would encounter.
 
I think the LAST is the horse here and anything else would be the zebra. That's a lot of local for a little old guy. That's what...375mg of lidocaine and 162mg of bupivacaine. So about 7mg/kg and 3+mg/kg respectively.

Totally. The horse is galloping here, and the dose for local is stupid high. I would just make a habit of not missing something easy like hypoglycemia. All sorts of old guys take too much of their oral antihyperglycemics or insulin.
 
The patient responded immediately to the Midazolam and Epi 10 micrograms. I have no issues with starting a Lipid infusion. Would you have bolused this patient with Lipids even though she was no longer in arrest? Or, just start an infusion?

Lipids can reverse the CNS effects of Local.

Midazolam + Epi: treating the symptoms of local anesthetic toxicity

Lipid emulsion: treating the ACTUAL local anesthetic toxicity

I believe there's a role for intralipid in ANY amount of LAST, and I believe it should be given EARLY.
 
Midazolam + Epi: treating the symptoms of local anesthetic toxicity

Lipid emulsion: treating the ACTUAL local anesthetic toxicity

I believe there's a role for intralipid in ANY amount of LAST, and I believe it should be given EARLY.

How early? Why give it if the patient responded to one low dose Epi bolus IV? ASRA isn't clear about when to start lipids in LAST but they do say it isn't needed in EVERY SINGLE CASE. You disagree? Why? Where is the evidence that the case I presented needed a Lipid Bolus and an infusion?

Of course, one shouldn't delay the use of Lipid Emulsions in LAST. That's why I advocate the use of Lipids early on in the code. If the rhythm had progression to V.Tach/V. Fib or CPR was initiated then I would have bolused the Lipid. But, that's not the situation here.
 
Right. Before the lipid could even arrive, you had fixed the patient. No reason to give it then. The question is what to do when it is just as easy to give lipid as epi.
 
Prolonged monitoring (> 12 hours) is recommended after any signs of systemic LA toxicity, since cardiovascular depression due to local anesthetics can persist or recur after treatment.

So, do you cancel the case because of a seizure?

Suppose the seizure stops, the patient regains consciousness, and has a good dense block.
 
Depends... if it's only a seizure and no Vtach/fib stuff and decent protoplasm... proceed.
 
So, do you cancel the case because of a seizure?

Suppose the seizure stops, the patient regains consciousness, and has a good dense block.


He could be having seizures for other reasons, maybe he has a brain tumor. So I wouldn't proceed. This isn't a license for murder.
 
After reading about Conrad Murray and now this anesthesiologist in CA giving propofol to his daughter for chronic pelvic pain, I can't say I would be surprised if someone was doing blocks at home.

I knew a CRNA who was (allegedly) doing epidural steroid injections for friends in her kitchen. She was also caught stealing supplies from the hospital. I'm not sure what happened to her when it all blew up ... but these people are out there.



sevoflurane said:
Depends... if it's only a seizure and no Vtach/fib stuff and decent protoplasm... proceed.

The one time this issue came up in my practice (sort of) was a couple years ago. I wasn't in the hospital, can't remember if I was postcall or on vacation or what. CRNA from the .mil job called and asked for my opinion - they'd just done an interscalene, had a seizure, patient was awake/OK now with a good block. I told them to cancel. The fact that I wasn't there and the question was being asked made my answer easy. But had I been there, I might've proceeded.

That patient came back another day and didn't get a block for the 2nd go around. 😀


cincincyreds said:
He could be having seizures for other reasons, maybe he has a brain tumor. So I wouldn't proceed. This isn't a license for murder.

To tell the truth I wouldn't be worried that the patient seized because of a brain tumor. That's like an albino unicorn zebra in the Arctic given the context of the block injection. But some people, like the guys Blade quoted, think that the patient's risk persists after the initial toxic event has passed



metalephrine said:
epi impairs lipid rescue

BobBarker said:
Right. Before the lipid could even arrive, you had fixed the patient. No reason to give it then. The question is what to do when it is just as easy to give lipid as epi.

Unless a tech confuses it with sterile milk and takes it to the GYN room, our intralipid is always in the block cart, immediately at hand.

We just had a thread about deviating from the ACLS protocols and this is one of those cases where I would - intralipid before epi or even shocks for pulseless VT.


We had a Bier block gone bad with a vtach arrest a few weeks ago. Finding the intralipid took a few minutes. Young healthy patient, perfect heart - CPR, multiple shocks, epi, vasopressin, nothing. Intralipid --> fixed. Extubated brain intact a couple hours later. I think they went ahead and did his surgery too (some little ditzel mass excision on his arm, IIRC).
 
Did you use it? Seems like a medicolegal minefield if anything were to go wrong.

Heck no. We refused to use it and fortunately she delivered without further incident.
 
Can someone tell me why there is aluminum in Intralipid?

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Thanks for posting your case Blade.
 
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Based on available information, I would treat with intralipid prior to epi as long as it was immediately available, which it would be since I would not do a block without having it immediately available. Someone posted the link to the article that shows that epi can decrease the effectiveness of lipid. The potential upsides far outweigh any downsides. Treat with lipid as quick as you can get it in the IV.
 
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Based on available information, I would treat with intralipid prior to epi as long as it was immediately available, which it would be since I would not do a block without having it immediately available. Someone posted the link to the article that shows that epi can decrease the effectiveness of lipid. The potential upsides far outweigh any downsides. Treat with lipid as quick as you can get it in the IV.


I really must disagree here (my case). She responded to a single dose of Epi (10 Ug).
Here heart rate was 36, mostly Sinus Brady, and no V. Tach/V. Fib.

I don't think Lipid was indicated in this case. I certainly called for it and had it ready after the low dose Epi. Again, V.Tach/V.FIb and I give the Lipid no matter what but Sinus Brady? No. I try Epi first.

"Therefore it is recommended to avoid

high doses of epinephrine and use smaller doses, e.g.,

<1mcg/kg, for treating hypotension."
 
I really must disagree here (my case). She responded to a single dose of Epi (10 Ug).
Here heart rate was 36, mostly Sinus Brady, and no V. Tach/V. Fib.

I don't think Lipid was indicated in this case. I certainly called for it and had it ready after the low dose Epi. Again, V.Tach/V.FIb and I give the Lipid no matter what but Sinus Brady? No. I try Epi first.

"Therefore it is recommended to avoid

high doses of epinephrine and use smaller doses, e.g.,

<1mcg/kg, for treating hypotension."

The fact that the patient was seizing is the reason I would give lipid. The usual course is neurologic sx--->cardiac symptoms
Sounds like this patient was going down that path.
Some experts who know a lot more about this topic than me suggest that giving lipid early when only neurologic symptoms are present can prevent it from becoming a cardiac issue as well.
As far as I know, giving lipid has no downside unless you give so much that you cause fatty liver (that's a joke). Giving epi is unpredictable and won't help solve the underlying problem of the seizure and the ongoing LA toxicity, but if you happen to overshoot, could cause HTN, tachycardia, MI, or stroke.
If I had a syringe of epi in one hand and a syringe of lipid in the other in that situation, I would choose the lipid. Just because the patient did not progress to asystole in your case does not mean that the next one won't. I would prefer to get something circulating in the bloodstream that might keep it from happening.
I would think of it as similar to oxygen. If you think it might help, where is the harm in giving it a try.
Might not help, but won't hurt either. Lipid has little chance of side effects.
Plus, it is relatively inexpensive.
 
The fact that the patient was seizing is the reason I would give lipid. The usual course is neurologic sx--->cardiac symptoms
Sounds like this patient was going down that path.
Some experts who know a lot more about this topic than me suggest that giving lipid early when only neurologic symptoms are present can prevent it from becoming a cardiac issue as well.
As far as I know, giving lipid has no downside unless you give so much that you cause fatty liver (that's a joke). Giving epi is unpredictable and won't help solve the underlying problem of the seizure and the ongoing LA toxicity, but if you happen to overshoot, could cause HTN, tachycardia, MI, or stroke.
If I had a syringe of epi in one hand and a syringe of lipid in the other in that situation, I would choose the lipid. Just because the patient did not progress to asystole in your case does not mean that the next one won't. I would prefer to get something circulating in the bloodstream that might keep it from happening.
I would think of it as similar to oxygen. If you think it might help, where is the harm in giving it a try.
Might not help, but won't hurt either. Lipid has little chance of side effects.
Plus, it is relatively inexpensive.

So, why does ASRA say this then: "The clinical context, severity, and rate of progression of clinical signs of toxicity should guide the use of lipid therapy."

ASRA does not recommend immediate use of Lipid Emulsion on all patients IMMEDIATELY. Instead, I provided you their direct recommendation.
 
Helps aliens and keeps you dry.... Sweet. That's what I thought. 😀

Seriously though... I think Gern's approach is reasonable. Especially if u know the patient received a good IV dose of marcaine (40-50mg?) and they are old with a heart that might not be that of a 20 y/o. If the HR is 30. def give some epi first while u get intralipid going.

That being said, I've witnessed 2 seizures in the block room during residency. Neither got intralipid and they both did fine (and the team proceeded with the scheduled case).
 
I think this approach is very reasonable.

The fact that the patient was seizing is the reason I would give lipid. The usual course is neurologic sx--->cardiac symptoms
Sounds like this patient was going down that path.
Some experts who know a lot more about this topic than me suggest that giving lipid early when only neurologic symptoms are present can prevent it from becoming a cardiac issue as well.
As far as I know, giving lipid has no downside unless you give so much that you cause fatty liver (that's a joke). Giving epi is unpredictable and won't help solve the underlying problem of the seizure and the ongoing LA toxicity, but if you happen to overshoot, could cause HTN, tachycardia, MI, or stroke.
If I had a syringe of epi in one hand and a syringe of lipid in the other in that situation, I would choose the lipid. Just because the patient did not progress to asystole in your case does not mean that the next one won't. I would prefer to get something circulating in the bloodstream that might keep it from happening.
I would think of it as similar to oxygen. If you think it might help, where is the harm in giving it a try.
Might not help, but won't hurt either. Lipid has little chance of side effects.
Plus, it is relatively inexpensive.
 
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