3rd year rotations for DO schools

[stoleyerscrubz]

Is there a thread or site that can tell me what 3rd year clinical rotations are like for DO students? From my understanding most of the rotations are family practice and you have 2 specialty rotations. I'm curious about the number of hours one has to put in on a weekly basis.

Thanks.

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[bigmuny]

I imagine most schools are the same. 2 FP, 2 IM, 2 surg, 1 ob/gyn, 1 peds, 1 psych, 1 something else. 4th year many DO schools require that you take additional FP(relative to MD programs).

 

[DireWolf]

This is going to vary greatly from school to school. I recommend going to each school's website to see how they structure 3rd-4th years.

At OSU:

3 FP
1 Public Health Clinic
1 Psych
1 Peds
1 EM
2 Med
1 Surgery
1 OB/GYN
2 Community Hospital
4 Primary Care Electives (IM, FP, EM, Peds)
4 True Electives
1 Vacation

 

[stoleyerscrubz]

I'll check the DO schools I'm interested in. Thanks folks!

I can be gullible at times but is vacation actually in the rotation schedule?

 

[DireWolf]

I'll check the DO schools I'm interested in. Thanks folks!

I can be gullible at times but is vacation actually in the rotation schedule?

It sure is. How else can they keep track of it?

It's not like you can take vacation days whenever you please.

 

[DRealDrZ]

Vacation is so that you can either use it to study for COMLEX 2 or for travel to residency interviews (as well as vacation time )

 

[Robz]

This is going to vary greatly from school to school. I recommend going to each school's website to see how they structure 3rd-4th years.

At OSU:

3 FP
1 Public Health Clinic
1 Psych
1 Peds
1 EM
2 Med
1 Surgery
1 OB/GYN
2 Community Hospital
4 Primary Care Electives (IM, FP, EM, Peds)
4 True Electives
1 Vacation

You do a public health clinic???? Is this like a TB counciling or vaccine administration? I found this interesting cause I don't think any other school offers this.

Also, what does it mean community hospital. Does that mean you can do ortho as long as its in a community hospital? Or (more likely) another primary care selection as long as its in a community setting?

 

[DrMom]

By public health clinic, DireWolf means the school's family medicine clinic which is mostly medicaid & indigent patients.

Community hosptial is a 2 month rotation we do at a small-town hospital. Most of these are staffed with family med docs. We'll be doing the inpatient care (I think somewhat like a hospitalist...but at a small hosp). Many of these hospitals are pretty rural.


Also, I think we have 5 primary care electives...and if we take the optional 2nd month of vacation (that way you get 1 month/year) it comes out of your specialty electives (which DireWolf has down...quite accurately...as true electives). That means that people like me with kiddos home over the summer only end up with 3 real electives. I'm in decent shape since I'm planning on doing emergency med (so my rotations checking out other programs count under my primary care electives). The people who want to do other specialties have a hard time getting around to enough programs. Despite this, OSU does tend to have a good match list with plenty of specialists.

 

[Robz]

I'm in decent shape since I'm planning on doing emergency med (so my rotations checking out other programs count under my primary care electives).

They consider EM as primary care????? I thought it was a speciality. Thats pretty sweet if it is.

 

[Robz]

I figure I would also add to direwolf's list with the list I pulled off from the NSUCOM.

at NSUCOM:

3rd year:
1 Psychiatry
1 Geriatrics
2 FM - 1 clinic based
3 IM
1 OB/GYN
2 peds - 1 ambulatory, 1 hospital
2 Gen surgery

4th Year:
1 EM
3 RM - 2 at medically underserved or rural affilation, 1 selective
1 vacation or another elective
.5 senior seminar - other 2 weeks is vacation as well.
5 electives - can be taken as 4 electives and 1 month board prep
(also 3 electives must be in FP, IM, peds, OB/GYN, or subspecialties. If you elect to take a month board review this can count at one of these electives)

 

[DireWolf]

They consider EM as primary care????? I thought it was a speciality. Thats pretty sweet if it is.

Many schools, not all, now consider EM primary care. If you think about it, most of their time is spent doing primary care medicine.

 

[Robz]

Many schools, not all, now consider EM primary care. If you think about it, most of their time is spent doing primary care medicine.

Actually this is awesome.

I am interested in doing research on this exact topic and it was a concentration of my MPH I was interested in. I feel our ED's are overrun with bullcrap cases that can be seen in an outpatient clinic or a 24 hour urgent clinic. I see too many people here on medicaid getting better healthcare than I do.

 

[here atlast]

So how do the rotations work!! I mean, do you have to do any studying during 3rd and 4th year!! or you just get graded based on performance!!!!
Bec, the way i am picturing 3rd and 4th year is that it should feel like going to work!!! and no exam stress?!!! Is it really like that!?

 

[DireWolf]

So how do the rotations work!! I mean, do you have to do any studying during 3rd and 4th year!! or you just get graded based on performance!!!!
Bec, the way i am picturing 3rd and 4th year is that it should feel like going to work!!! and no exam stress?!!! Is it really like that!?

The way rotations are graded varies among schools and among individual rotations.

An example from OSU:
Psych Rotation
70% of the grade is based on the preceptor's evaluation
30% is based on an exam


In short, you will still have to take exams at the end of each rotation. This is a great generalization though.

Medical school is all about exams. You will never get rid of them.

 

[OMMFellow06]

At NYCOM during your third year you do 6 weeks each of FP, Psych, Peds, and OB/Gyn and you do 12 weeks each of medicine and Surgery.
Each of these rotations during third year has an exit exam associated with it.

 

[Elysium]

Here's the info for TUCOM:

Third Year Student Clinical Rotations Requirements:

Internal Medicine I 4 weeks
Internal Medicine II 4 weeks
Family Medicine I 4 weeks
Family Medicine II 4 weeks
General Surgery I 4 weeks
General/Orthopedic Surgery 4 weeks
Pediatrics 4 weeks
Obstetrics/Gynecology 4 weeks
Emergency Medicine 4 weeks
Psychiatry 4 weeks
Elective I 4 weeks
Elective II 4 weeks
Vacation 4 weeks
Total: 52 weeks

Fourth Year Student Clinical Rotations Requirements:

Core Rotations - 5 Rotations at TUCOM Affiliated Sites
Primary Care 4 weeks
Medical Subspecialties 4 weeks
Specialty Options 4 weeks
Surgical Specialty 4 weeks
Acute/Critical Care 4 weeks
Non-Core Rotations - 5 Rotations
Primary Care 4 weeks
Medical Subspecialties 4 weeks
Specialty Options 4 weeks
Elective-Primary Care 4 weeks
Elective-All Discipline Categories 4 weeks
Other
Vacation 4 weeks
Educational Review 2 weeks

Interesting to see how different schools do 3/4 year.

 

[Claymore]

CCOM

Third Year:
3 months Family Med
1.5 months Peds
1.5 months OB/GYN
1 month Psych
1 month general IM
1 month IM selective
1 month General Surgery
1 month Surgery selective
1 month elective
**We get a couple weeks off around Thanksgiving/Christmas/New Year

Fourth Year:
1 month Family Med
1 month OMM
3 months general IM and IM selectives
1 month surgery and surgery selectives
1 month Emergency Med
5 months electives (1 can be vacation)

Electives can be anything you want, there are no restrictions on what/where you do them.

 

[Amy B]

VCOM's schedule

MS III Clinical Rotations and Modules
Pediatrics 20 hrs.
Family Practice 20 hrs.
FP Rural Medicine 20 hrs.
Internal Medicine 40 hrs.
OB/GYN 20 hrs.
Surgery 20 hrs.
Psychiatry 20 hrs.
Geriatrics 20 hrs.
Emergency Medicine 20 hrs.
Anesthesiology 10 hrs.
Radiology 10 hrs.

Each clinical rotation month consists of no less than 160 contact hours and may consist of 240 contact hours. Hours may vary and are generally around 200 hours when on-call time is included.


MS IV Clinical Rotations and Modules
Electives 4 months
ICU (or equivalent) 1 month
Medicine Selectives 2 month
Surgery Selective 1 month
Academic Medicine Selective 1 month

MS IV ELECTIVES
Anesthesia Cardiology Psychiatry
Clinical Research Rural Clinical Experience Pathology
Emergency Medicine Trauma Urology
Gastroenterology Nephrology Research
Ophthalmology Otorhinolaryngology Radiology
Hematology/ Oncology Neurology Forensic Pathology
Intensive or Critical Care Infectious Disease Internal Med. Missions
Orthopedics Physical Medicine and Rehab
Neurosurgery Occupational Medicine
Obstetrics and Gynecology Pediatrics
Vascular Surgery Surgery
Plastic Surgery Cardiovascular Surgery

 

[stoleyerscrubz]

I'm from Chicago and grew up in the city as well as Darien and Naperville. Going to CCOM looks better and better.

 

[DOtobe]

Adding LECOM (although rotations are changing to 4 weeks for us this coming year so the MS-III numbers will be different):

MS-III:
6 weeks Psych
6 weeks FP
12 weeks IM
6 weeks Surgery
6 weeks Ob/Gyn
6 weeks Peds
6 weeks Elective

MS-IV:
4 weeks each medical, surgical, primary care selective
8 weeks ER
8 weeks Ambulatory Medicine
4 weeks Rural/Underserved
16 weeks electives

 

[Doc34]

Considering you have to apply for residency spots in the beginning of your fourth year, and you would like to specialized in GAS or DERM, but you have not had a rotation in any of them in your third year, is it posssible to get like an exemption that will allow you to do a specialty rotation your third year to see if you like it???

 

[kumar28]

yo robz,
under the NSUcom rotations...for the electives what does subspecialties include.

 

[Robz]

I'm am assuming subspecialties might be fellowship trained positions.

This would be like GI or Cardiology...what I read just said subspecialties....

here is a link to the NSUCOM 3rd/4th year clinical guide.

http://medicine.nova.edu/academics/clinical/forms/clinmanual.pdf

 

[luckystar]

3rd year:
4 wk IM
4 wk Gen Surg
choice of 2 4wk rotations in EM, Path, Anesth, or Rads
8 wk FP
4 wk Peds
4 wk OB/Gyn
4 wk Psych
4 wk elective in primary care (IM, FP, EM, OMM, etc)
8 wk True electives

4th year:
4 wk FP
4 wk Community/Rural med
20 wk True electives

 

[kristing]

AZCOM all rotations are 4 weeks, unless otherwise noted:

3rd year:
3 FPs
1 IM
1 Peds
1 OB
1 surgery
1 psych
1 cardiology

4th year:
1 IM
1 subspecialty IM/Peds
1 OB or peds
1 subspecialty surgery
1 neuro (2 weeks)
1 critical care
1 EM
4 electives (one can be vacation)

Between the 2 years, you also have to do 6 weeks Expanded primary care, and 4 weeks of rural/underserved medicine. You can also do electives in your 3rd year, but they come out of the total of 4 months allowed.

 

[Adapt]

If anyone has it, can you post COMP's rotation schedule? Thanks.