Once Exparel gets FDA approval in March/April of 2015 I will likely switch to it for this operation in healthier patientws.
Is that after the January 2011 approval of Suggamadex that we are still waiting for?
Once Exparel gets FDA approval in March/April of 2015 I will likely switch to it for this operation in healthier patientws.
This doesn't make complete sense to me.Why GA? I just do ISB with 30 ml 0.5% ropi + epi + dex, give some versed, position patient, propofol drip at 50-100 mcg/kg/min. Surgeon given 10 cc local total for all ports (5 cc posterior port) or incision site. BP usually within 20% of preop levels.
They have to put local for a MAC. ISB doesn't cover the back of the shoulder. This is how I used to do them.This doesn't make complete sense to me.
Why would the surgeon have to put local in the ports if you are able to do the case with moderate sedation (50mcg/kg/min)?
On Another note, at 100/kg/min you are now in GA range for many pts. Why not put an LMA in?
That works also.I know that it doesn't always cover the back of the shoulder so why not add a suprascap?
That works also.
I was doing these blocks before the days of the ultrasound. I don't think a suprascapular block by anatomy would be that great vs just infiltrating the skin.
I ask them to inject local because a small fraction of the time the skin is not covered because it is superficial cervical plexus distribution. Most of the time it actually is. Why should I do suprascap block and waste another few mins when the surgeon can easily inject few mls of local around the incision port. Pain is always 0/10
As for placing LMA, why? The pt is comfortable and breathing on their own. 50 mcg/kg/min is far from GA in my patient population.
I am invariably asked if the patient is "relaxed". Despite the block. ETT for everyone. You know, shoulder girdle muscles impairing the operation and whatnot. B.S. but a secure airway is a secure airway. They learn to expect what we give them. Oh, and they like a lower BP if the site is bleeding. Whatever.
Also, are you guys avoiding COX-2 inhibitors in those with a cardiac history?
You know... I think the increase in cardiac ischemic events with Cox2 inhibitors is actually a class effect of all NSAIDS... The only difference is that other NSAIDs are cheap and their makers are not claiming that their medications are the best cure to pain as the makers of COX2 inhibitors are trying to do.Uk... thanks for posting. Always glad to see you guys pop in these forums from across the sea.
To anwer your question, we are not concerned with giving Cox-2 inhibitors as it's a one time dose.
I think you are right about all NSAIDs being risky, at least that is how I understand it. But I can't answer the ASA question. Maybe that's why we recommend 81mg instead of 325mg. Don't know.You know... I think the increase in cardiac ischemic events with Cox2 inhibitors is actually a class effect of all NSAIDS... The only difference is that other NSAIDs are cheap and their makers are not claiming that their medications are the best cure to pain as the makers of COX2 inhibitors are trying to do.
So, as a result, no one is going to spend money on a study to prove that all NSAIDs increase the incidence of heart attacks.
I think you are right about all NSAIDs being risky, at least that is how I understand it. But I can't answer the ASA question. Maybe that's why we recommend 81mg instead of 325mg. Don't know.
Wtf?
At low doses, aspirin is an antiaggregant, by inhibiting predominantly COX-1 and thromboxane. However, at regular doses, most NSAIDs inhibit COX-2 (and prostacyclin) more, resulting in a prothrombotic effect.How do "all NSAIDS" increase cv risk? Asa is an NSAID, proven to reduce MIs. Following logic, asa increases MIs.
Would you do LMA in beach chair? This is not standard practice at our institution.
Yes, been doing this for 12 years with no issues. Isb, position in beach chair awake, make sure they are nice n comfy, induce, lma, go. You do need an assistant to ensure the head doesn't flop over before you get that foam mask/strap on.
I do this for arthroscopy and tsr.