Concerns about LECOM-Erie

[amindwalker]

Please read my last post again. No where did I say LECOM students are immature. The riff-raff that do get in typically get weeded out and therefore do NOT make up the majority here.

Are you a medical student yet? Does the thought of having to be mature and accountable (Like most LECOMers are) really offend you? Do you need to show up to class in cut offs and flip flops with a cap on backwards in order to feel respected by your school? If so, don't come here. I did not make the rules, but I do follow them. I do not need to eat during lecture, but if you do, LECOM would not be ideal for you. If rules bother you, go elsewhere.

If you were offended by this or my previous post, that really was not my intention. If you would like to trade insults, I prefer we do that in person in a more mature and accountable way (rather than "spinelessly" on the internet). Please do not insult LECOM unless you are going here.

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[scpod]

....and just because you're willing to bend over for them doesn't mean we all should.

That's the big point I'm wondering about now. Why does it even matter to you? Why do you have to keep flexing your muscles and showing how independent and grown up you are? Does it make you feel better? If you don't like the school, don't go there.

 

[ChiDO]

http://www.lecom.edu/pros_lecomlife.php
A total of 355 LECOM Class of 2008 graduates have matched in the following programs. This is the first year for LECOM Bradenton graduates to enter the match programs.

Anesthesiology 14
Emergency Medicine 36
Family Medicine 53
Family Medicine/Emergency Medicine 2
Family Medicine/Pediatrics 1
Internal Medicine 60
Internal Medicine/Emergency Medicine 3
Internal Medicine/Pediatrics 1
Neurology 2
OB/GYN 14
Ophthalmology 2
Orthopedics 1
Pathology 1
Pediatrics 22
Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation 2
Psychiatry 12
Radiology 2
Surgery 21
Surgery/Neurology 2
Surgery/Orthopedics 13
Traditional/Transitional 91

What's the difference between Orthopedics and Surgery/Orthopedics?

 

[engineeredout]

Do you need to show up to class in cut offs and flip flops with a cap on backwards in order to feel respected by your school?

There are appropriate middle grounds...

 

[Just Joshin]

Please read my last post again. No where did I say LECOM students are immature. The riff-raff that do get in typically get weeded out and therefore do NOT make up the majority here.

I think YOU need to read the poster's post again. He was saying that LECOM students must be immature if they need to be told how to dress and that it must be that more mature students who know how to dress and don't need to be told, go elsewhere, which means the riff-raff that YOU referred to are actually in the student body, not the rejects.

Are you a medical student yet? Does the thought of having to be mature and accountable (Like most LECOMers are) really offend you? Do you need to show up to class in cut offs and flip flops with a cap on backwards in order to feel respected by your school?

Well, I'm not the person you were talking to, but I am a non-trad student who worked professionally for many years and was always happy to show up in a suit and tie. I did a post-bacc where I never wore flip-flops or cut-offs. But, I did wear pants and a polo shirt often. I sometimes even wore T-shirts. What I resent is being told what I HAVE to wear, as if I don't have a brain in my head to know that I can't dress like I just went out to the bar. I didn't know LECOM's dress code was so strict. After 5 on the weekends, I can wear what I want? Why? Is someone going to be offended by my polo shirt and wrinkle-free blue jeans at 3 p.m. on a Sunday?

If you were offended by this or my previous post, that really was not my intention. If you would like to trade insults, I prefer we do that in person in a more mature and accountable way (rather than "spinelessly" on the internet).

Come on dude. You called the people who didn't get into your school riff-raff and the people challenign the dress code immature. Your whole point was to offend people. You don't have to apologize for it, but geez louise, don't lie about it.

 

[235750]

The "Don't go to LECOM" thread to which the OP refers was probably started & perpetuated by people on the wait list trying to scare the accepted applicants. Yes, there is a dress code. Yes, there are rules regarding food & drink. Big deal. I love LECOM, but if you are an immature, unaccountable type, it will suck for you here because they want to weed out the riff-raff (and are very good at so doing). Some people have no business becoming physicians even though they might have decent grades and MCAT scores.

LECOM expects you to be a grown up. If you follow the rules and do the work (and are not an idiot), you will succeed here. Med school is a kick in the bells, an unholy grind no matter where you go. I am getting a world class education here and I highly recommend LECOM to anyone who is a mature and accountable individual of suitable preparation. Right, Ten Bulls?

I like the weeding out quote up above. It reinforces my idea that LECOM offers little support to its students. I am SO glad I was fortunate enough to be able to turn down a school like that.

One of my concerns was, LECOM does not treat you like a 'grown up'. If they did, then they would they not be like the other medical schools I mentioned and impose a bunch of redicious rules? The institution treats you like a child, hence all the rules like don't ever be in the entryway, look good on the days of your cadaveer labs, etc. Then they seem to offer little support for rotations later on.Oh yes, plus when I and others interviewed there they seemed not to have their facts straight regarding standard stuff like COMLEX pass rates. Also, their match list was a hospital list. Yikes.

Also, I would like to reinforce that dress code was not mentioned in my original post. Look I hate to say it but...don't not go to LECOM because of the dress code. Don't go there because of all the negative points mentioned previously

Anyway I really am walking away now. Again, I wish the LECOM students the best and I hope the school changes for the better sometime in the near future.

 

[amindwalker]

LECOM is a great school. The dress code is not bad at all unless you're spoiled and immature. Again, if you don't like rules, don't go to LECOM. That's my message. If you got something else out of it, OK.

I'm a 39 year old active duty Army officer with a wife and kids. I'm sorry that I just can't understand why simple rules like dress code and not eating in the lecture halls are considered by so many to be so horribly oppressive. So I'll say it again; If you can't handle a dress code or you have to eat during lecture, don't go to LECOM. If simple rules like that are OK with you and you want a good education, LECOM might be a good fit for you.

I personally get really annoyed when people bash my school and whine about the rules (which are not bad at all). Knocking LECOM is offensive to LECOMers, so please refrain from doing so. Most of us here had options, but chose LECOM.

 

[dozitgetchahi]

LECOM is a great school. The dress code is not bad at all unless you're spoiled and immature. Again, if you don't like rules, don't go to LECOM. That's my message. If you got something else out of it, OK.

I'm a 39 year old active duty Army officer with a wife and kids. I'm sorry that I just can't understand why simple rules like dress code and not eating in the lecture halls are considered by so many to be so horribly oppressive. So I'll say it again; If you can't handle a dress code or you have to eat during lecture, don't go to LECOM. If simple rules like that are OK with you and you want a good education, LECOM might be a good fit for you.

I personally get really annoyed when people bash my school and whine about the rules (which are not bad at all). Knocking LECOM is offensive to LECOMers, so please refrain from doing so. Most of us here had options, but chose LECOM.

Different strokes for different folks. I guess there's not much point to arguing this anymore given that anyone who challenges the rules will be labeled as "spoiled and immature".

I, for one, find it horribly immature of any graduate institution to think it needs to dictate my clothing choices to me all the time, or prevent me from standing in certain (otherwise accessible, non-restricted) portions of a facility that I'm paying tens of thousands of dollars of tuition to be allowed into, or to disallow me to drink water during hours-long exams.

If the act of disliking said restrictions makes me "spoiled and immature", then so be it. Over and out, I'm done with this thread.

 

[niranjan162]

LECOM is a great school. The dress code is not bad at all unless you're spoiled and immature. Again, if you don't like rules, don't go to LECOM. That's my message. If you got something else out of it, OK.

I'm a 39 year old active duty Army officer with a wife and kids. I'm sorry that I just can't understand why simple rules like dress code and not eating in the lecture halls are considered by so many to be so horribly oppressive. So I'll say it again; If you can't handle a dress code or you have to eat during lecture, don't go to LECOM. If simple rules like that are OK with you and you want a good education, LECOM might be a good fit for you.

I personally get really annoyed when people bash my school and whine about the rules (which are not bad at all). Knocking LECOM is offensive to LECOMers, so please refrain from doing so. Most of us here had options, but chose LECOM.

how is it spoiled and immature to pay ~60,000 year (which many people have to go into debt to pay for), and not be able to have a cup of coffee in lecture to keep me sharp and awake so i can really take advantage of a very expensive education that I am paying for.

Most people are 20+ years old. I can understand dressing professionally for going on the wards, because this is where u will work and you will be seeing patients.

But in lecture? Why is it so appalling that I be comfortable in what im wearing, so instead of being distracted by being cold/hot/whatever I can pay attention. And I said this before but a shirt and tie for anatomy lab? that ridiculous. If the purpose of the dress code is "you have to be a dr you should dress like one now" then why wouldnt their be proper attire requirements for anatomy lab. Do coroners where a suit and tie during autopsies?

Also I just put my deposit down at LECOM. Just because I am going there doesnt mean I have to like all the rules. I am a reasonable person like many who are attending medical school. If you could justifiy these rules for solid reasons I would have no reason to complain. But these things just seem more tyrannical than practical.

 

[Just Joshin]

I personally get really annoyed when people bash my school and whine about the rules (which are not bad at all). Knocking LECOM is offensive to LECOMers, so please refrain from doing so. Most of us here had options, but chose LECOM.

If you want people to stop offending you, then you should stop offending people by calling them spoiled, immature, and riff-raff. They're not really terms of endearment and you don't sound very mature to be using them. You sound like a high schooler frankly.

 

[amindwalker]

I don't make the rules, nor do I support the validity of some of them. However, I do follow them without complaint because they're just not a big deal to me. No one says that you have to like it, you just have to do it. There's no sense whining about it. Don't want to wear a tie in the anatomy lab? Have fun with it and get an ugly bow tie that you intend to burn afterwards. Most of us looked pretty rediculous on our way into/out of the lab, and we all wanted to wear scrubs in there, but we followed the rules.

My point now is that it is spoiled and immature to knock LECOM because there are rules here. Once again, If you don't want to abide by a dress code, or you just gotta have coffee to stay awake during lecture (can't have coffee in the surgical theatre BTW) simply go elsewhere. If you can't stand authority, you will be rudely awakened when you get to rotations anyway, so it's best to get over it early.

I'm glad the OP was able to decline her acceptance to LECOM, I turned down Kirksville among others to come here & I'm glad I did. But you do not see me starting posts about how there isn't a Target or an In-N-Out Burger in Kirksville. That would be equally rediculous (although equally true).

Just Joshin: in order for such people to have been offended, they would have to first identify with the offense. Furthermore, it works like this; you bash my school, I become offensive, not the other way around. Also if you think words like riff-raff are offensive, just wait 'till you start rotations. Most residents and attendings are really cool, but some of them are pretty darn hateful. Best of luck to ya though.

You can bad mouth me all you want, I can take it (kinda dig it). But please, enough about LECOM.

 

[Buckeye4life]

Seriously, Amindwalker. Grow up, you immature, bow-tie wearing, riff-raff!!!!!!!!!! People...lay off my boy. He was only trying to help originally, but people here are construing it as him laying into people's character. He wasn't. LECOM's a good school that is constantly growing. Yeah, it's a little strict, but it's not a big deal. It will prepare you for boards and lay the foundation for becoming a good physician. How far beyond the status quo you want to go is all up to you, some luck, and a host of other variables that will be different for everyone. If you don't want to mess around with the rules every day, pick ISP, PBL, or PCSP. Amindwalker's right though that every future doctor is going to have to submit to some kind of authority in their career, so either accept it day 1 of medical school or be baptized by fire come 3rd year. Good luck to you all in your selections, and see u next week, Amindwalker.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Do you think it has to be one or the other? Do you think that if they don't tell us how to dress, we're all suddenly going to be all trampy? You don't think we've been dressing ourselves for years? Do you think we're 10? Using your logic, they should also monitor our caloric intake every day because they probably don't want us to be overweight either since we're promoting health and all. I'm 30 years old and I'll be damned if someone is going to tell me to wear a suit and tie to look at cadavers.



I'm a nontraditional who worked for years in computer science. I showed up to work every day in a suit and tie and I had no trouble with it. But it's different when you're talking about sitting in lecture and then heading to pathology lab or digging through cadavers to find every obscure point of interest. If you can't see that, you have problems with basic logic.



Oh I didn't apply and I'm not whining. I'm just replying to you and others because your arguments are flawed.

You totally missed what I was saying and went to the left with it.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Some of you people are crazy. This isn't about authority, it's about boundaries. You can construe any tyrranical rules as authority and then paint everyone with the "well, you'll never make it in medicine if you can't handle authority" but just because you say it's harmless authority doesn't make it true. Authority would also be having to raise your hand and ask for a faculty escort to the bathroom. If I objected to something like that at some school, would you also believe that I'll never make it in medicine? LECOM's rules cross the boundaries and anyone defending them as "it'll just make you a better physician" has seriously lost the concept of medical school. Whether or not I wear a tie in anatomy lab will not determine what kind of physician I am. I also notice that none of you have an answer to the legit question asked earlier in the thread -- if wearing a suit and tie in anatomy lab is reflective of professional behavior, why don't surgeons do it in the OR?

Amindwalker, you sound like the most immature person on the thread so I don't know what you're talking about pointing the finger at others. Your posts remind me of the old schoolyard "oh yeah, your momma!" comments.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

You totally missed what I was saying and went to the left with it.

I don't even know what that means.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

LECOM is a great school. The dress code is not bad at all unless you're spoiled and immature. Again, if you don't like rules, don't go to LECOM. That's my message. If you got something else out of it, OK.

I'm a 39 year old active duty Army officer with a wife and kids. I'm sorry that I just can't understand why simple rules like dress code and not eating in the lecture halls are considered by so many to be so horribly oppressive. So I'll say it again; If you can't handle a dress code or you have to eat during lecture, don't go to LECOM. If simple rules like that are OK with you and you want a good education, LECOM might be a good fit for you.

I personally get really annoyed when people bash my school and whine about the rules (which are not bad at all). Knocking LECOM is offensive to LECOMers, so please refrain from doing so. Most of us here had options, but chose LECOM.

I agree.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

I don't even know what that means.

It means whatever I said you took it to a whole new level.

 

[momgracea]

My gosh people! I like wearing jeans just as much as the next person, and honestly scrubs would have been ideal, but there are much more important factors to consider when choosing a medical school. Consequently, I selected LECOM in spite of their dress code and eating restrictions (which, quite honestly, will be tough for me since I neeeeed my coffee....)

But, thinking back on my interviews, and recalling one institution where the females wore their scrubs rolled over so far below their waist you might have thought they were getting ready for a pap smear, maybe a dress code is not such a bad idea. Gross!!

 

[engineeredout]

My gosh people! I like wearing jeans just as much as the next person, and honestly scrubs would have been ideal, but there are much more important factors to consider when choosing a medical school.

Doesn't even have to be jeans. Whats wrong with kackis and polo shirt?

Some of you people are crazy. This isn't about authority, it's about boundaries. You can construe any tyrranical rules as authority and then paint everyone with the "well, you'll never make it in medicine if you can't handle authority" but just because you say it's harmless authority doesn't make it true. Authority would also be having to raise your hand and ask for a faculty escort to the bathroom. If I objected to something like that at some school, would you also believe that I'll never make it in medicine? LECOM's rules cross the boundaries and anyone defending them as "it'll just make you a better physician" has seriously lost the concept of medical school. Whether or not I wear a tie in anatomy lab will not determine what kind of physician I am. I also notice that none of you have an answer to the legit question asked earlier in the thread -- if wearing a suit and tie in anatomy lab is reflective of professional behavior, why don't surgeons do it in the OR?

Agreed ^^

My point now is that it is spoiled and immature to knock LECOM because there are rules here. Once again, If you don't want to abide by a dress code, or you just gotta have coffee to stay awake during lecture (can't have coffee in the surgical theatre BTW) simply go elsewhere. If you can't stand authority, you will be rudely awakened when you get to rotations anyway, so it's best to get over it early.

You're absolutely right, we're all spoiled. For that matter so are the majority of the medical schools in the country. So is every college in the country. So are all the public high schools. And middle schools. And elementary schools. Hell if my preschool made me come in wearing a suit and tie I might be a better person today. Maybe I'd actually be worthy of becoming a doctor.

Just Joshin: in order for such people to have been offended, they would have to first identify with the offense. Furthermore, it works like this; you bash my school, I become offensive, not the other way around. Also if you think words like riff-raff are offensive, just wait 'till you start rotations. Most residents and attendings are really cool, but some of them are pretty darn hateful. Best of luck to ya though.

Its not even that riff-raff is offensive as much as completely irrelevant. No tie =/= "riff-raff"

 

[Buckeye4life]

I also notice that none of you have an answer to the legit question asked earlier in the thread -- if wearing a suit and tie in anatomy lab is reflective of professional behavior, why don't surgeons do it in the OR?
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It's reflective of professional behavior because the rules and policies of the the institution which you are in wants you to wear a shirt and tie, and the individual respects those rules. Of course surgeons aren't going to wear that attire because it is much more likely to break sterile precautions and the operations are on living people who want the person working on them to be the most comfortable and least restricted as possible.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

It's reflective of professional behavior because the rules and policies of the the institution which you are in wants you to wear a shirt and tie, and the individual respects those rules.

Your logic is flawed and doesn't really address my question. If I was a student at LECOM and chose not to follow their dress code, then yes, I'd be unprofessional since I agreed to attend that school knowing that I'd have specific rules to follow. But since I'm not a student nor someone who applied there, I'm NOT being unprofessional by questioning the rules. Yet, I'm being called immature and unprofessional just because I choose not to attend a school with such stringent restrictions? Somehow, you LECOM students got it into your heads that those of us who don't want to wear a suit and tie to anatomy lab are spoiled, immature, and unprofessional. That's a huge leap and more than a little insulting from a group that's asking us to lay off their school.

Of course surgeons aren't going to wear that attire because it is much more likely to break sterile precautions and the operations are on living people who want the person working on them to be the most comfortable and least restricted as possible.

So what about county coroner? I doubt he wears a suit and tie to do an autopsy. What about pathologists?

 

[momgracea]

So what about county coroner? I doubt he wears a suit and tie to do an autopsy. What about pathologists?

Hmmm... maybe not a suit and tie but business casual for the coroner because they deal with other business professionals. I guess we females have it easier because virtually anything that's not jeans and a tee shirt is okay.

 

[niranjan162]

My gosh people! I like wearing jeans just as much as the next person, and honestly scrubs would have been ideal, but there are much more important factors to consider when choosing a medical school. Consequently, I selected LECOM in spite of their dress code and eating restrictions (which, quite honestly, will be tough for me since I neeeeed my coffee....)

But, thinking back on my interviews, and recalling one institution where the females wore their scrubs rolled over so far below their waist you might have thought they were getting ready for a pap smear, maybe a dress code is not such a bad idea. Gross!!

This can easily happen with professional dress as well, someone "misses" a few buttons there ya go. Dress code doesnt prevent this, common sense does.

I also notice that none of you have an answer to the legit question asked earlier in the thread -- if wearing a suit and tie in anatomy lab is reflective of professional behavior, why don't surgeons do it in the OR?
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It's reflective of professional behavior because the rules and policies of the the institution which you are in wants you to wear a shirt and tie, and the individual respects those rules. Of course surgeons aren't going to wear that attire because it is much more likely to break sterile precautions and the operations are on living people who want the person working on them to be the most comfortable and least restricted as possible.

Why cant I learn in in a comfortable fashion? And pathologists and coroners wear scrubs too, but those people are dead.

Im not trying to bash LECOM, i think its a good school. But that doesnt mean I have to sit back and be a little robot and follow orders for the sake of following orders.

If people could give me good reasons, I would agree and submit. The fact "you have to" is not a good reason. Simply "I was following orders" has been a justification for many atrocities.

This whole theory of thought is contradictory and seems arbitrary. Dressing professsionally will make me a better dr or your gonna have to do it anyway. OK then why dont u let me dress appropriately for anatomy lab? Whats the reason we are not allowed to eat or drink anywhere on the grounds? I havent even heard a justification for this. Because people might leave stuff behind? Fine if they do THEN u can take away the privledge. But really I know the hours are more like highschool, but we not highschoolers. We're going towards higher education. It would be nice to be given equal respect from one group of adults (students) to another (administration).

This also leads the point. We are trying to develop a knowledge base that allows of to critically think and diagnose patients ailments. This whole "do it just because" attitude is a terrible way to develop such skills.

 

[tdittyx2x3]

Easy people, this whole dress code issue might be getting blown up jussssst a tad. They have their way of doing things and evidently- quite literally, the evidence is posted within this thread- it works. Let's all try to be nice to LECOM.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Hmmm... maybe not a suit and tie but business casual for the coroner because they deal with other business professionals. I guess we females have it easier because virtually anything that's not jeans and a tee shirt is okay.

A coroner who functions as a medical examiner wears scrubs when doing autopsies.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Easy people, this whole dress code issue might be getting blown up jussssst a tad. They have their way of doing things and evidently- quite literally, the evidence is posted within this thread- it works. Let's all try to be nice to LECOM.

Wait, what? What evidence is posted in this thread that proves that their way of doing things works? Their students are pretty insulting to the rest of us, labeling everyone who disagrees with them spoiled, immature, and riff-raff so it seems to be if the school is going for professional, they missed their mark with some of these representatives on SDN.

 

[scpod]

This is so silly. Why are all the people that are NOT going to Lecom bitching so much about it? Why should you even care? What does it even have to do with you? The people that chose to go there don't seem to mind so much. They get a great education and become doctors with wonderful residencies, all the while encumbered by a shirt and tie. Big deal. It ain't hurtin' you.

Nobody ever said a dress code will make you a better doctor. It's just one of only 5 rules they have. The big thing is in image. The "powers that be" want the school to present a better image than anywhere else. They want the students well-dressed so that when all the guests and visitors are there, everyone looks professional and the place is clean. It's all about making an impression. A number of years ago a very rich philanthropist was about to give a very large donation to the School of Medicine at Wake Forest University. He was invited to give a speech to the current class, but when he saw the way the students were so carelessly and sloppily dressed, he changed his mind. First impressions can be worth millions sometimes.

The eating and drinking thing is a simple economic issue really. They can hire two people full-time at my school to clean up and the place looks immaculate. That saves you you thousands in tuition money and the place looks good at the same time. If you want to dress sloppy and eat in class, then go somewhere else, pay a lot more, and find something else to argue about. If you're not going there, it doesn't affect you. Give it a break.

Sure, you're all grown up now and want to decide how you dress. If it's that big of a deal then go somewhere that allows you to do that. Just leave the other folks alone. Why should it be such a big deal to you?

 

[PunkmedGirl]

This is so silly. Why are all the people that are NOT going to Lecom bitching so much about it? Why should you even care? What does it even have to do with you? The people that chose to go there don't seem to mind so much. They get a great education and become doctors with wonderful residencies, all the while encumbered by a shirt and tie. Big deal. It ain't hurtin' you.

Nobody ever said a dress code will make you a better doctor. It's just one of only 5 rules they have. The big thing is in image. The "powers that be" want the school to present a better image than anywhere else. They want the students well-dressed so that when all the guests and visitors are there, everyone looks professional and the place is clean. It's all about making an impression. A number of years ago a very rich philanthropist was about to give a very large donation to the School of Medicine at Wake Forest University. He was invited to give a speech to the current class, but when he saw the way the students were so carelessly and sloppily dressed, he changed his mind. First impressions can be worth millions sometimes.

The eating and drinking thing is a simple economic issue really. They can hire two people full-time at my school to clean up and the place looks immaculate. That saves you you thousands in tuition money and the place looks good at the same time. If you want to dress sloppy and eat in class, then go somewhere else, pay a lot more, and find something else to argue about. If you're not going there, it doesn't affect you. Give it a break.

Sure, you're all grown up now and want to decide how you dress. If it's that big of a deal then go somewhere that allows you to do that. Just leave the other folks alone. Why should it be such a big deal to you?

ME AGREE

 

[FutureDocDO]

What's the difference between Orthopedics and Surgery/Orthopedics?

I copied and pasted directly from LECOM's website. I would assume they're the same.

 

[punkiedad]

This is so silly. Why are all the people that are NOT going to Lecom bitching so much about it? Why should you even care? What does it even have to do with you? The people that chose to go there don't seem to mind so much. They get a great education and become doctors with wonderful residencies, all the while encumbered by a shirt and tie. Big deal. It ain't hurtin' you.

Nobody ever said a dress code will make you a better doctor. It's just one of only 5 rules they have. The big thing is in image. The "powers that be" want the school to present a better image than anywhere else. They want the students well-dressed so that when all the guests and visitors are there, everyone looks professional and the place is clean. It's all about making an impression. A number of years ago a very rich philanthropist was about to give a very large donation to the School of Medicine at Wake Forest University. He was invited to give a speech to the current class, but when he saw the way the students were so carelessly and sloppily dressed, he changed his mind. First impressions can be worth millions sometimes.

The eating and drinking thing is a simple economic issue really. They can hire two people full-time at my school to clean up and the place looks immaculate. That saves you you thousands in tuition money and the place looks good at the same time. If you want to dress sloppy and eat in class, then go somewhere else, pay a lot more, and find something else to argue about. If you're not going there, it doesn't affect you. Give it a break.

Sure, you're all grown up now and want to decide how you dress. If it's that big of a deal then go somewhere that allows you to do that. Just leave the other folks alone. Why should it be such a big deal to you?

Great point.....Does anyone really think that LECOM came up with their mission statement and or guiding principles and thought that they would make people wear professional dress to hinder the flip flop wearing people?? Come on really. I think you guys put yourself in a much higher light. This is the way LECOM chooses to run their school. Big deal. In the end, each of us will decide what type of Dr. we are going to be by dealing with the hurdles in our way......if a dress code bothers you, what are you going to do when a highschool educated perosn on the other end of the phone wants you to do a prior auth. to prescribe Lipitor instead of generic zocor?? Get used to dealing with "the man" in some shape or form.

Oh, and as far as Amindwalker is concerned, more power to him. It is the passion about things you care about that will make good doctors. If he is passionate about LECOM and what it stands for good for him. he loves his situation and is passionaite about it. We should each be so lucky. It is always easier to put a leash around someone than light a fire underneath them.........Oh an by the way, Amindwalker. THANK YOU for serving our country as well.

 

[24IdaFire]

Hi everyone,

I had the pleasure of interviewing at LECOM and was accepted a few days ago, however I had some bad impressions of the school. I'm curious to know other people's thoughts, specifically from LECOM students and graduates, but also fellow interviewees who came out of the process excited about LECOM.

I should mention that my visit to LECOM was biased due to several posts on SDN. If one googles "student doctor network LECOM" you will find the first hit is for a thread called "Don't go to LECOM" and a student tries to talk people out of going to the school. Now, I had no experience with the school so when I had a chance to talk to the students without the administrative staff around, the plan was to ask them and try to get honest answers.

They don't "quarantine" us from the interviewees, we are usually just busy doing our stuff.

Well, I never had such an opportunity because the older lady (forgot her name) who gave us the initial welcome was in and out of the room constantly when we were supposed to be having some time with the students and the students only. They did not have time to answer my questions about LECOM's COMLEX pass rate and their opinions on the PBL curriculum.

PBL is a great program. You get to avoid the majority of the LECOM BS while getting your degree. The board pass rate is actually pretty high, less than a hand full of my class (2010) had failed step 1.

These observations seemed to confirm the anonymous allegations that LECOM does everything it can to keep its students on a tight leach to give a highly controlled view of the school. Did anyone else get that sense? At PCOM I just sat down in the cafeteria and asked students questions, it wasn't difficult. The tour guides at CCOM/PCOM/TOURO were all students so again it was easy to ask things without worrying that the questions would get back to your file.

They usually only let students with a 3.0 or better to be the tour guides and be in the "lunch round table." The rest of us really don't know what we are/aren’t allowed to do with the interviewees. Unfortunately there is a sense of hostility at LECOM the trickles down from the top, and the majority of the student body doesn’t try anything that might, as they say, stir up the hornets’ nest.

Did anyone else notice the silly rules posted around the school? For example, there was a sign saying something like, "students are not allowed to enter or be in the front entrance at any time". The gentleman who was our tour guide quipped, "This is the first and last time you'll be in this gorgeous entryway." Why? Why couldn't you trust your students to behave in the hallways? They are medical school students for goodness sake. Again, this added to the domineering attitude that the school had.

There are a lot of off limits areas. Security guards will come running if you cross the lines. Yes, we are treated like kindergarteners.

When I asked our guide (the older woman) what the COMLEX pass rate was, she said 99%. I was stunned because I had heard the rate was much lower. I asked if that was for first time test takers and she didn't know. I asked her what the average COMLEX-step one score was for first-time takers and she didn't know that either. Does anyone know the answers to these questions? She got very defensive and referred me back to the piece of paper showing which hospitals their graduates matched at.

Like I said before, it is really that high. As for numbers, don't know.

That's another question I have. I am looking at this piece of paper right now that shows "match results", although really it doesn't. It does not show speciality, only the hospital. Now, I am not a med school guru, but isn't that silly? CCOM, PCOM-PA, and most other schools I interviewed at had the actual match list (starting with anesthesiology and going to radiology). Why would LECOM not do the same? Are they hiding something?

The other thing I am worried about is that LECOM doesn't do much in terms of networking to help you get placed for your residency. Again, I got this idea from several SDN posts. But, I was not able to talk to any students, and those students who we talked to were first years so they had no idea anyway. Dose any 3rd/4th year students have experience, good or bad, with LECOM?

Right now, the clinical years at LECOM are looking pretty bleak. We are losing affiliate hospitals every year. There are several reasons why, but the basic reasons are that LECOM's clinical ED department is run by 3 overworked secretaries and 1 arrogant ***** physician, and LECOM doesn’t pay any of its affiliate hospital to take any students.

At their current rate of adding to their class sizes and losing affiliates, there will be a massive shortage of rotation sites for 3rd and 4th year students.

To sum up: I am concerned about choosing LECOM because they seemed non-transparent, overbearing to their students, and dishonest/uninformed about their own school statistics. Can anyone help alleviate my worries?

Also I would like to add that the students (from what short time we had with them) seemed like very wonderful people, and I mean no offense to them or those who have already decided on LECOM. I am just trying to make one of the biggest decisions of my life right now and I need honest help.

To sum up, if you go to LECOM try as hard as you can to be either ISP or PBL. Much less BS.

 

[dozitgetchahi]

This is so silly. Why are all the people that are NOT going to Lecom bitching so much about it? Why should you even care? What does it even have to do with you? The people that chose to go there don't seem to mind so much. They get a great education and become doctors with wonderful residencies, all the while encumbered by a shirt and tie. Big deal. It ain't hurtin' you.

Nobody ever said a dress code will make you a better doctor. It's just one of only 5 rules they have. The big thing is in image. The "powers that be" want the school to present a better image than anywhere else. They want the students well-dressed so that when all the guests and visitors are there, everyone looks professional and the place is clean. It's all about making an impression. A number of years ago a very rich philanthropist was about to give a very large donation to the School of Medicine at Wake Forest University. He was invited to give a speech to the current class, but when he saw the way the students were so carelessly and sloppily dressed, he changed his mind. First impressions can be worth millions sometimes.

The eating and drinking thing is a simple economic issue really. They can hire two people full-time at my school to clean up and the place looks immaculate. That saves you you thousands in tuition money and the place looks good at the same time. If you want to dress sloppy and eat in class, then go somewhere else, pay a lot more, and find something else to argue about. If you're not going there, it doesn't affect you. Give it a break.

Sure, you're all grown up now and want to decide how you dress. If it's that big of a deal then go somewhere that allows you to do that. Just leave the other folks alone. Why should it be such a big deal to you?

At least in my case, I'm trying to discuss it with people because I'm in the process of deciding whether I'm going to enroll in LECOM or any of the other schools I've been accepted to.

The amount of defensiveness various posters have exhibited during this discussion about LECOM's policies frankly borders on patriotism/jingoism. Why is this feeling so strong? Why can't we simply have a discussion about the merits of said policies without people calling each other "spoiled and immature" and claiming that people who dispute the policies are "bashing" their medical school? For instance, there are things my undergrad college does well and things it could certainly improve on. If somebody comes around and wants to discuss the things my school does that are a bit silly/distasteful/controversial/etc, I'm not going to get all uptight on them and claim they're "bashing" my school. I myself said that there were things I really liked about LECOM and things I had reservations about. The people who have been discussing these rules are simply applicants trying to figure out where we should spend what will likely be the four most expensive years of our lives, and we have every right to do so without being told to "leave LECOM alone" or something similar. We're not sitting here and insulting it; we're just talking about its relative pros and cons. Why are you so uncomfortable with that?

(And for the record, there are several other less expensive medical schools I could attend that do not have the same restrictions as LECOM. I don't think their whole "we have these rules because they save lots of money so you can go here cheaper" argument holds water.)

 

[Frank l]

I go to LECOM. I abide by the dress code. Big freaking deal. I wear the same clothes I did when I worked for my dad. If putting on a tie in the morning is just too much for you then you definitely need to grow up. Now, if you go to a school where you can wear whatever you want that's cool too, but if you are actually considering not going to a school because of a dress code then you ARE immature. Abiding by the rules is EASY.

There are some people here who just can't stand being told what to do, and try to get around the rules any way they can. These people are silly. Whether you are flipping burgers at McDonald's or the President of the United States you will still be expected to follow some sort of dress code.

If you want to knock LECOM, do it because the snow here kind of sucks, or because you don't like lakes, or because of some other, relevant reason. Dress code is nothing.

Oh, and amindwalker, I just figured out who you are, and you are awesome.

 

[samrawet]

nice

 

[rugger14]

24Idafire,

Thanks for getting back to the OP's original intent of this thread. Yes, he/she already decided to go somewhere else I think, but I'm sure there are others who would find this information and a a few more posts on this thread informative.

 

[digitlnoize]

I go to LECOM-B, so I can't really speak for what goes on in Erie, but I don't feel watched over or controlled at all.

Yes, there are rules. But, every rule is a rule you'll have to follow in the hospital as well.

Security badge. Check.
Dress Code (shirt and tie...although research has shown that ties can spread germs like crazy). Check.
No food or drink in certain areas. Check.
Cameras watching you. Check.
I don't think it's too much to ask. Honestly, I like that my classmates don't show up in Pooh Bear Pajamas. I thought I would HATE the drink rule, but I kind of like it. It makes you take a break from studying every now and then...which your brain needs. When I get thirsty, it's time for a break.

Security badge. whatever. Having the cameras is AWESOME. I feel 100% safe leaving my stuff just laying around somewhere, because I know if anyone messes with it, I've got 'em on camera. Not that they would. My classmates rock!

Overall, the administration at Bradenton has been nothing short of awesome to work with. I don't have much experience with the "mothership" though, so I can't really vouch for Erie. I like it here.

 

[DrRoast]

When I interviewed there, I got a weird impression as well, they didn't talk anything about 3rd and 4th year, and residencies, which tells me they know its sketchy. I also wasn't crazy about the town and the crazy rules, wonderful people up there though. Just not the place for me.

 

[digitlnoize]

When I interviewed there, I got a weird impression as well, they didn't talk anything about 3rd and 4th year, and residencies, which tells me they know its sketchy. I also wasn't crazy about the town and the crazy rules, wonderful people up there though. Just not the place for me.

And honestly, these kind of SDN stories are why I cancelled my interview there after being accepted at LECOM-B...well, that and the cold.

FWIW, my LECOM-B interview was nothing like this. We were left completely alone with our students for an hour and they were very open and forthcoming about everything. We specifically talked about rotations and how they worked, and how the upper classmen liked it so far, etc, etc...

Everyone should keep in mind that although both schools are "LECOM", they are seperated by thousands of miles and seem (to me, at least) to be run as mostly separate schools.

 

[bleeker10]

FWIW, my LECOM-B interview was nothing like this. We were left completely alone with our students for an hour and they were very open and forthcoming about everything. We specifically talked about rotations and how they worked, and how the upper classmen liked it so far, etc, etc...

At my interview at LECOM-E, we ate lunch for about an hour with two 2nd years and no administration. We were able to ask them just about anything. One girl in my group even asked if the students really believe in OMM and if they were planning on using it in there future (both said yes). We talked about classes, the school, tests, nightlife in Erie, places in town to live in, etc. I never felt like there was anything I couldn't ask about the school. Of course, maybe that was just my interview day and others had different experiences.

 

[tdittyx2x3]

I had a similar experience as Bleaker at LECOM-E. I had plenty of opportunity to ask about the school alone with students. Please let us not hype one or two comments into "Erie is hiding something."

People that are thinking about applying should keep in mind that they graduate students into all of the same specialties as other schools. You are not reducing your career opportunities, aside from a one or two specific exceptions, by attending this school. It sounds like if you can deal with an administration that is a bit set in their ways and cold weather, than LECOM is a decent option.

Oh and don't forget the bottom line, LECOM is CHEAP.

 

[nevinleiby]

(fyi: interviewed and accepted LECOM-B in 12/08. Accepted to other osteopathic programs in addition to LECOM-B...I don't know if I'll take acceptance or not..that's why I'm here...)

Dressing up:
Revisiting the dressing up/etc issue, I really couldn't care less. Yeah, it may be a little annoying at first and may be a little awkward during a test...but seriously, as a practicing doc, you'll be placed in far more physically uncomfortable circumstances...not just a tie around your neck. As for measuring skirts....come on, don't fall in the habit of believing rumors. Observe and ask for yourself!!

In terms of their motivation, I would imagine that you are representatives of future doctors in their community. You want to look professional. Sadly, the public still associates professional dress => excellent ability. Encouraging and enforcing proper dress enhances you and your organization's appearance in the community of citizens that they are ultimately seeking to treat. If anything, that could be to your advantage.

If it bothers you that much, don't go. Too bad you didn't research the program enough before applying/interviewing to know their policy.

Food/drink:
Food/drink doesn't bother me either. For those who interviewed, you sat in a 8-member PBL session in ~15'x15' room for their 2 hr session. Lots of books, bags, papers, discussion, and at least 1-2 laptops. I would be a little ticked if someone passed a paper to me only to dump his 32oz coffee all over my highlighted book/laptop . Great way to foster learning with a gripe about so-and-so spilling your drink on your stuff.

It would also be annoying if everyone brought their lunch to the session and wasted 10-15 min eating instead of focusing on the case study. Combine that with a fairly small room and the cheapest burritos a med student could buy...yeah....thanks!

Lecture is a different matter, but many of the lecture halls that I went to also discourage food/drink (eg, NSUCOM for one). But again...most of LECOM-B is PBL sessions. Anatomy, microbiology (for now), and 1-2 other courses are lecture...that's IT.

Interview/Admissions "leash":
I didn't get that feeling at all. They were very clear that its a new program. COMLEX scores were discussed - all but 5 students of the class passed the COMLEX. Their COMLEX pass rate matched/exceeded most other schools that I've researched...PCOM/CCOM/AZCOM/DMU. Obviously match and rotation information is limited. The matches and rotations were openly discussed. (fyi: I SAW the LECOM-B match list - I can't remember if they provided it in the "admissions folder").

In terms of a "secretive" student body, I spent about 3 hours talking to a MS1 student who went to the same undergrad school as I did the night before my interview. I've known her for at least 1 year. Her concerns were no different that the concerns that the two MS2 students discussed at the lunch. I was very frank during my interview and throughout the day about my thoughts of the program. In the end they really impressed me. I didn't feel like the adcom was preventing us from trading secrets about the school, but genuinely interested in us. She was a people person who enjoyed meeting all of the diverse applicants to the program and just chatting it up with us to keep it informal and reduce any stress...

As for secretive interviews, I spent 2 hours in "class" with them. How many other admission programs do this for every interviewee!?!

Compare that to some other schools that I was at...the interviewees were silent, cold-faced, distant, and visibility stressed until the interview process was complete....LECOM-B was the exact opposite....

Therefore....
In the end it comes down to the program vs any others - every program is similar, but no program is identical. I thought their program was a little young, but top-notch. They are focusing on every student that walks out of their doors. They want to make sure that YOU succeed so that their school succeeds. I think that is a good selling point. But as an applicant/acceptant, consider all of the details of the program (location, mission, rural/urban/suburban, dissection, students themselves, reputation/age, etc). If it matches you...congrats! If not, move on...don't troll and dump on a school that you didn't like. For one, its ludicious....you've only spent < 1 full day in the program!!! Keep SDN properly informed so that others can make informed decisions...thanks!

 

[Semicolon]

(fyi: interviewed and accepted LECOM-B in 12/08. Accepted to other osteopathic programs in addition to LECOM-B...I don't know if I'll take acceptance or not..that's why I'm here...)

Dressing up:
Revisiting the dressing up/etc issue, I really couldn't care less. Yeah, it may be a little annoying at first and may be a little awkward during a test...but seriously, as a practicing doc, you'll be placed in far more physically uncomfortable circumstances...not just a tie around your neck. As for measuring skirts....come on, don't fall in the habit of believing rumors. Observe and ask for yourself!!

In terms of their motivation, I would imagine that you are representatives of future doctors in their community. You want to look professional. Sadly, the public still associates professional dress => excellent ability. Encouraging and enforcing proper dress enhances you and your organization's appearance in the community of citizens that they are ultimately seeking to treat. If anything, that could be to your advantage.

If it bothers you that much, don't go. Too bad you didn't research the program enough before applying/interviewing to know their policy.

Food/drink:
Food/drink doesn't bother me either. For those who interviewed, you sat in a 8-member PBL session in ~15'x15' room for their 2 hr session. Lots of books, bags, papers, discussion, and at least 1-2 laptops. I would be a little ticked if someone passed a paper to me only to dump his 32oz coffee all over my highlighted book/laptop . Great way to foster learning with a gripe about so-and-so spilling your drink on your stuff.

It would also be annoying if everyone brought their lunch to the session and wasted 10-15 min eating instead of focusing on the case study. Combine that with a fairly small room and the cheapest burritos a med student could buy...yeah....thanks!

Lecture is a different matter, but many of the lecture halls that I went to also discourage food/drink (eg, NSUCOM for one). But again...most of LECOM-B is PBL sessions. Anatomy, microbiology (for now), and 1-2 other courses are lecture...that's IT.

Interview/Admissions "leash":
I didn't get that feeling at all. They were very clear that its a new program. COMLEX scores were discussed - all but 5 students of the class passed the COMLEX. Their COMLEX pass rate matched/exceeded most other schools that I've researched...PCOM/CCOM/AZCOM/DMU. Obviously match and rotation information is limited. The matches and rotations were openly discussed. (fyi: I SAW the LECOM-B match list - I can't remember if they provided it in the "admissions folder").

In terms of a "secretive" student body, I spent about 3 hours talking to a MS1 student who went to the same undergrad school as I did the night before my interview. I've known her for at least 1 year. Her concerns were no different that the concerns that the two MS2 students discussed at the lunch. I was very frank during my interview and throughout the day about my thoughts of the program. In the end they really impressed me. I didn't feel like the adcom was preventing us from trading secrets about the school, but genuinely interested in us. She was a people person who enjoyed meeting all of the diverse applicants to the program and just chatting it up with us to keep it informal and reduce any stress...

As for secretive interviews, I spent 2 hours in "class" with them. How many other admission programs do this for every interviewee!?!

Compare that to some other schools that I was at...the interviewees were silent, cold-faced, distant, and visibility stressed until the interview process was complete....LECOM-B was the exact opposite....

Therefore....
In the end it comes down to the program vs any others - every program is similar, but no program is identical. I thought their program was a little young, but top-notch. They are focusing on every student that walks out of their doors. They want to make sure that YOU succeed so that their school succeeds. I think that is a good selling point. But as an applicant/acceptant, consider all of the details of the program (location, mission, rural/urban/suburban, dissection, students themselves, reputation/age, etc). If it matches you...congrats! If not, move on...don't troll and dump on a school that you didn't like. For one, its ludicious....you've only spent < 1 full day in the program!!! Keep SDN properly informed so that others can make informed decisions...thanks!

Most of this thread is based on LECOM-E, not B (hence the name).

At Erie, while there is PBL, there is also LDP, which is the pathway most affected by these rules. Yes, a PBL session may not seem bad at all without food/drink. But if you go through a lecture pathway, this is a different story; you're in class for much longer and it seems even more pointless to come in professional attire (as opposed to a PBL session, where it is far more interactive, case-based, and has a small group).

You're coming from the biased perspective of PBL while most people complaining are either thinking about or are in a lecture pathway, in a position where these rules would be more restrictive.

However, you still make a good point. Getting used to a dress code may, in the end, become an advantage to you. I'm sure there are those students who would actually prefer a dress code and feel better or more confident being in such attire.

 

[digitlnoize]

Most of this thread is based on LECOM-E, not B (hence the name).

At Erie, while there is PBL, there is also LDP, which is the pathway most affected by these rules. Yes, a PBL session may not seem bad at all without food/drink. But if you go through a lecture pathway, this is a different story; you're in class for much longer and it seems even more pointless to come in professional attire (as opposed to a PBL session, where it is far more interactive, case-based, and has a small group).

You're coming from the biased perspective of PBL while most people complaining are either thinking about or are in a lecture pathway, in a position where these rules would be more restrictive.

However, you still make a good point. Getting used to a dress code may, in the end, become an advantage to you. I'm sure there are those students who would actually prefer a dress code and feel better or more confident
being in such attire.

I would imagine that LDP would suck...but, Anatomy wasn't so bad. We got 10 minute breaks every hour. Plenty of time to grab a snack or drink.

I have never been a huge fan of dressing up, but that's mostly because Virginia is hot and humid, and most of the buildings are too. At LECOM-B (and I assume this may be more true of E) it is pretty cold inside the building, so I'm very comfortable in my dress clothes.

You also learn the "trick" of unbuttoning your top button, but covering that with your tie. This way, it looks like you're still buttoned up, but you're not!

I do think the dress code makes us behave (slightly ) more professionally and I agree that this is more of an issue in a small group setting like PBL than in a lecture hall. But, I'd still like my classmates to not be in pajamas...but that's just me...I'm also old.

I think the LECOM-B crowd is speaking up because we are a valid alternative to LECOM-E and people should know it. We shouldn't be lumped together because, in many ways, we're quite different from them. Think of us as two brothers from the same family.

nevinleiby, sounds like you had a good time. I love it here and extrememly happy with my decision thus far. Now, let's see if I can rock the boards in a year and a half!

 

[engineeredout]

Outta curiosity what happens when theres three feet of snow on the ground? Still going through the snow in suit pants and dress shoes? No snow boots?

 

[digitlnoize]

Outta curiosity what happens when theres three feet of snow on the ground? Still going through the snow in suit pants and dress shoes? No snow boots?

Probably the best LECOM-E related question I've ever seen. Really.

 

[BCLumas]

I haven't been on SDN in some time as I have been busy trying to work my butt off during finals. The first thing I come to is this thread full of hearsay, opinions, and misinformation. Not only that, but a majority of these opinions have come from non-medical students who are still applying or have yet to apply. I think it would be beneficial to sum up this thread in a single thread, as I am going to attempt to do below.

1. LECOM-E has a dress code that requires their students to dress in a business professional attire at all times, unless otherwise noted. Many students in the LECOM program don't care about the dress code. Many students in the LECOM program do care about the dress code. It leads me to question why they went to the school if they were so adamant about it, but that's another topic. The point is, if you (as a reader of this post) get accepted to school X and LECOM and you would hate having to look business professional every day, I would begin to pray that school X is not the LECOM-E branch. If, however, you feel that a dress code is something that IS and does not define your education, then LECOM-E can offer a great education
2. Match lists do not define a school or a program. While the pass rate for the different steps can indicate the quality of preclinical years, the ultimate burden of doing well or poorly is on you as a student. For example, if you want to go into Orthopedic surgery, you should probably aim to be the top of your class with really high board scores. Just because you attend school X and not school Y is not going to give you much (if any) advantage. Programs like that require their students to preform well on their boards, high class rank, good letter's of recommendation, and so on. How previous students in previous classes matched has no bearing on your motivation as a student, and if it does, then get the hell out medical school.
3. LECOM requires that food and drink be consumed in the cafeteria only. Some schools allow you to bring only water into the lecture halls. Some schools allow any drinks. Some schools allow anything. The point is, again, if you really need your morning coffee that bad that getting up 10-15 minutes earlier in the morning to drink it in a cafeteria is a burden for you, then LECOM is obviously not the place for you. If you feel that getting up a bit earlier in the morning means nothing in the grand scheme of your medical education and it really doesn't matter, then LECOM can provide you with a great education.
4. Pre-medical students have no idea what they are talking about. I thought that I had a clue when I was applying, but ultimately, I didn't. That extends to the current and future pre-medical crowds. If you are a pre-medical student applying to school, especially LECOM, do not let what pre-medical student hear in rumors throughout the internet sway your decision. Ask current students, as graduates of the program, and contact the program yourself. It is going to give you the most truthful representation of the program you could possibly ask for. Definitely do not listen to people who have not even applied or visited the program, as they are working off of assumptions and flawed logic.

Ultimately, I would listen to anyone who is/was a current LECOM-E or LECOM-B student. Although this thread concerns LECOM-E, the rules and guidelines are very similar to the sister campus of the north, and seeing another thread pop up like this talking about how piss-poor a school LECOM-B is because of random hearsay will just annoy the crap out of me.

 

[nlax30]

Outta curiosity what happens when theres three feet of snow on the ground? Still going through the snow in suit pants and dress shoes? No snow boots?

HAHA...I have to agree, good question! And yet another reason why I'm keeping my butt in Florida.

 

[bleeker10]

Outta curiosity what happens when theres three feet of snow on the ground? Still going through the snow in suit pants and dress shoes? No snow boots?

I would imagine the sidewalks and parking lot are plowed. There is a post in the "Pros and Cons of Your DO School" from a 4th year at LECOM-E who said the parking is plowed very well when it snows. I lived in northern Minnesota for a year and most of the streets and sidewalks were plowed when it snowed so I would imagine the same thing would happen for a place designated as the 13th snowiest city in America on Wikipedia (I know, I know, Wikipedia is not the best source, but it gives you a general idea). I live in Arkansas now and anytime it snows a fraction of an inch, pretty much everyone flips out and the town shuts down. Also, it looked like everyone had their own locker so you could wear snowboots to class and tuck your pants into them. Once you were inside you could change into normal dress shoes.

 

[digitlnoize]

I would imagine the sidewalks and parking lot are plowed. There is a post in the "Pros and Cons of Your DO School" from a 4th year at LECOM-E who said the parking is plowed very well when it snows. I lived in northern Minnesota for a year and most of the streets and sidewalks were plowed when it snowed so I would imagine the same thing would happen for a place designated as the 13th snowiest city in America on Wikipedia (I know, I know, Wikipedia is not the best source, but it gives you a general idea). I live in Arkansas now and anytime it snows a fraction of an inch, pretty much everyone flips out and the town shuts down. Also, it looked like everyone had their own locker so you could wear snowboots to class and tuck your pants into them. Once you were inside you could change into normal dress shoes.

That just seems like a pain in the butt. I'm SOOO glad I got into B so I didn't have to wind up at E. I really hate the snow.

I do agree with BCL though. I also thought I knew...I'm a research-o-holic. I thought I knew everything one could possible know about med school prior to starting it. And, perhaps I did. But, the reality is that you can't really know until you know, and then you'll know.

Or, let me put it another way. Medical school is like War. We can imagine what it's like to be on a real battlefield, we can watch movies and play Call of Duty, but we can't really know until we're there.

That being said, SDN is a great source because people who HAVE been there are here to tell you what it's like. But, like BCL said, don't listen to rumor or speculation. This also occurs in medical school, believe it or not, and you should take everything you hear with a grain of salt until you confirm it yourself.

Everything that I, or BCL, or anyone else posts on SDN is our opinion. While LECOM-B is an AMAZING school for me and BCL, and we both feel we are receiving a top notch education, it may not be the same for everyone. Some people may downright hate the place. Same goes for every medical school in the country.

Don't pick your school based on Match Lists, or Name, or even Cost. Pick the school that is right for you and that you feel will give you the best education. It'll all turn out ok. LECOM-B does give many people great educations, and while I can't vouch for E, I'm sure it is an excellent school as well.

 

[DrA]

Outta curiosity what happens when theres three feet of snow on the ground? Still going through the snow in suit pants and dress shoes? No snow boots?

Probably the best LECOM-E related question I've ever seen. Really.

Ummmm yes you can wear snow boots. Stop obsessing about dress code, it's not anywhere that picky.