If pod school is just as hard as med school, why are the standards of acceptance so much lower?

[HueySmith]

Just for you to know, podiatrists are physicians. there was a thread already discussing why podiatry is a standalone program. I won't get into that subject again.

Again, I don't understand why you go around all these controversial threads and derail them. This conversation is not even part of this thread.

I won't argue anymore.

I don't mean to anger you or trigger you. It was all just semantics and I feel like I should try to clarify the distinction.

At least in my school, podiatry students take same information-heavy courses as medical students. I would agree that given how similar our curricula are, podiatry should be a specialty of medicine. However, they still applied to PODIATRY SCHOOL to be podiatrists, just like how students interested in optometry applies to OPTOMETRY SCHOOL. A specialty would be something like a medical student or a nurse choosing to specialize in anesthesia. When you come out of podiatry school, you are a podiatrist; when you come out of medical school, you are a physician. Simple as that, easy concepts.

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[HueySmith]

I've always wondered why dentists can get into OMFS MD programs, but pods can't get into Orthopedic/FootAnkle MD programs? That is one thing I would like to find more info on

I think OMFS is a dental specialty program...if they wanted to go into that, they're free to go into an MD/DO school.

 

[Deecee2DO]

I think OMFS is a dental specialty program...if they wanted to go into that, they're free to go into an MD/DO school.

There are MD oral surgery programs that accept DDS/DMDs. Look it up its crazy

 

[HueySmith]

There are MD oral surgery programs that accept DDS/DMDs. Look it up its crazy

That's interesting. You learn something new everyday.

 

[med2345]

The sad part about this is outside this nerdy SDN argument (sorry no offense we know we're atleast a little nerdy) literally no one gives a ****. And TBH if you enjoy POD consider yourself lucky because it is a great gig. When I shadowed pods no one even understood the concept of DPM Vs MD Vs DO. Some old lady thought a pod was a "Toenail MD" yes, really. Most people don't even understand MD and DO. You know why? Because quite frankly no one gives a ****. Whichever you pick you are highly qualified, prescribe medicine and can/will do surgery. All are doctors/physicians in healthcare. Whichever you choose.... do well in it, go above and beyond, and make your money as all of them make a good living (and the hospital AND private practice pods I was shadowing were making quite a bit more than primary care MD's and DO's I know of). Now get off SDN and play outside or something. Geez

 

[air bud]

I am in a 90 plus doctor multispecialty group. Other than Ortho, nobody cares if you are a podiatrist or went to podiatry school. Stop this stupid argument. I went to podiatry school. I am a podiatrist. I am a foot and ankle specialist, yes, but I am a podiatrist. Many states, including mine specifically do not allow you to advertise yourself as anything but a podiatrist. Now quit being stupid f-ing pre pods having the same GD argument that you will never win.

 

[DJ Khaled's Pet Tiger]

I've never understood why there's such a large discussion about the podiatrist specialty. Anyone who has taken anatomy knows it's the most complex joint and muscular arrangement in the body, and further is a great diagnostic region for a variety of chronic morbidities. I'm sure if people were getting hurt left and right by podiatrist incompetence, we wouldn't have podiatry. So... moot point?

 

[DexterMorganSK]

This thread...like any other similar threads..is pointless and should be closed

If you want to be a Pod, go be a Pod. If you want to be anything else, go be anything else.

At the end of the day, only YOU should care if what you're doing with your life is worth doing or not because no one else gives a shi*

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

This thread...like any other similar threads..is pointless and should be closed

If you want to be a Pod, go be a Pod. If you want to be anything else, go be anything else.

At the end of the day, only YOU should care if what you're doing with your life is worth doing or not because no one else gives a shi*

Agreed. And if you care and are passionate about what you're doing with your life, you won't give a rats a$$ about what other people are doing with theirs

 

[GypsyHummus]

I think that this topic was covered in the Sienfield episode talking about podiatry.

 

[Windom Earle]

I think that this topic was covered in the Sienfield episode talking about podiatry.

Episode aired 25 years ago, but I still don't feel like Podiatry has made significant improvements since then in terms of getting respect.

 

[poditrained]

I acquired a legitimate migraine reading this thread.

At the end of the day the initials on your nametag don't matter. We will be dedicating our lives to improving the quality of life for our patients no matter what we specialize in. If you chose medicine for the right reason thats ALL that matters. The more I've been exposed to the medical field the more apparent it's become that no one gives a flying ****. Qualified? Cool. Here's a referral. We're all a team and the patient comes first. But having a **** measuring contest and trying to defend fragile egos is a waste of time and counterintuitive to why we're dedicating 7+ years to better OTHER people's lives. The sooner you mature and get off your esteemed high horse the better you'll become as a person first, then a medical professional. Just my 2c.

 

[Windom Earle]

I acquired a legitimate migraine reading this thread.

At the end of the day the initials on your nametag don't matter. We will be dedicating our lives to improving the quality of life for our patients no matter what we specialize in. If you chose medicine for the right reason thats ALL that matters. The more I've been exposed to the medical field the more apparent it's become that no one gives a flying ****. Qualified? Cool. Here's a referral. We're all a team and the patient comes first. But having a **** measuring contest and trying to defend fragile egos is a waste of time and counterintuitive to why we're dedicating 7+ years to better OTHER people's lives. The sooner you mature and get off your esteemed high horse the better you'll become as a person first, then a medical professional. Just my 2c.

You can't write DPM without MD.

 

[ciderbun96]

Episode aired 25 years ago, but I still don't feel like Podiatry has made significant improvements since then in terms of getting respect.

Just my two cents as a long-time podiatry patient (multiple surgeries, athlete etc). I live in rural New England and many of my friends had gone to this sports medicine podiatrist. It hadn't occurred to anyone or their parents that podiatry was a separate degree than an MD. The podiatrist was a well known sports medicine pod who traveled with Yale's track team for many years, and that's all anyone in the community thought of him - a well known doctor. I think it's important to remember that we are all really involved in the medical community, and it's easy to forget that the vast majority of the population is not, and all they see is that you're a doctor and that you're treating their ailments. Yeah, maybe some MDs are going to rustle your jimmies about your degree, but you just have to remember that in general, podiatrists are well respected doctors in the general community.

 

[Packers4lifeDPM]

Untrue. It has nothing to do with this. The people who get into podiatry school are less competitive than those that get into medical school. Once in podiatry school, it is not as difficult as medical school as the students are not as smart either.

Lets take the example of neurosurgery residency. Less medical students apply, but the ones who do have very high usmle scores. And then these residents are training in a pool of very smart colleagues.

I beg to differ on podiatry students not as smart. Yes, the majority may not be but there are classmates of mine who got 513 on the MCAT and had higher than 3.5 gpa that are doing podiatry. I also would bet you I'm as smart as most medical students out there.

 

[air bud]

I beg to differ on podiatry students not as smart. Yes, the majority may not be but there are classmates of mine who got 513 on the MCAT and had higher than 3.5 gpa that are doing podiatry. I also would bet you I'm as smart as most medical students out there.

I beg to differ. I had some classmates who had no business graduating. But they did. They had no business getting residency programs and they did. They have no business treating patients. And they are. And this was at the Harvard of the Midwest DMU.

Real talk : I graduated with some really stupid people who have no business being doctors. This doesn't happen in theMD world. There can be some people who are bad with patients and are better served in academic of research roles, but they are still smart.

It's like the restaurant business. You have a great experience you maybe tell 1 person. You have a bad experience you tell 10. We are judged by our worst, not out best. Until podiatry changes the admission process and the model of education. We will always be 2nd class citizens to some of our colleagues.

 

[med2345]

I beg to differ. I had some classmates who had no business graduating. But they did. They had no business getting residency programs and they did. They have no business treating patients. And they are. And this was at the Harvard of the Midwest DMU.

Real talk : I graduated with some really stupid people who have no business being doctors. This doesn't happen in theMD world. There can be some people who are bad with patients and are better served in academic of research roles, but they are still smart.

It's like the restaurant business. You have a great experience you maybe tell 1 person. You have a bad experience you tell 10. We are judged by our worst, not out best. Until podiatry changes the admission process and the model of education. We will always be 2nd class citizens to some of our colleagues.

i have 3 cousins and a brother who did MD. You’d be surprised how many people they thought also had no business or intelligence being doctors. Much more than anyone would ever guess trust me

 

[Deecee2DO]

I beg to differ. I had some classmates who had no business graduating. But they did. They had no business getting residency programs and they did. They have no business treating patients. And they are. And this was at the Harvard of the Midwest DMU.

Real talk : I graduated with some really stupid people who have no business being doctors. This doesn't happen in theMD world. There can be some people who are bad with patients and are better served in academic of research roles, but they are still smart.

It's like the restaurant business. You have a great experience you maybe tell 1 person. You have a bad experience you tell 10. We are judged by our worst, not out best. Until podiatry changes the admission process and the model of education. We will always be 2nd class citizens to some of our colleagues.

There will always be people that have no business doing their trade in any profession. This isnt just confined to Podiatry. There are MDs and DOs like this as well I have seen it. Not bashing anyone just the reality of life

 

[de Ribas]

This doesn't happen in theMD world.

you know all 21,000 MD students?

the more I read of your posts, the less I see credibility to take your posts seriously even though others said you have been practicing already.

 

[de Ribas]

i have 3 cousins and a brother who did MD. You’d be surprised how many people they thought also had no business or intelligence being doctors. Much more than anyone would ever guess trust me

I agree. if you read other posts on MD and DO forums you will see how other people say that they actually see "stupid" people in their classes, residencies and such.

 

[de Ribas]

even MDs make fun and laugh of each other and how they practice. especially when they read patient histories.

 

[Deecee2DO]

I agree. if you read other posts on MD and DO forums you will see how other people say that they actually see "stupid" people in their classes, residencies and such.

Exactly

 

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[DexterMorganSK]

I beg to differ. I had some classmates who had no business graduating. But they did. They had no business getting residency programs and they did. They have no business treating patients. And they are. And this was at the Harvard of the Midwest DMU.

Real talk : I graduated with some really stupid people who have no business being doctors. This doesn't happen in theMD world. There can be some people who are bad with patients and are better served in academic of research roles, but they are still smart.

It's like the restaurant business. You have a great experience you maybe tell 1 person. You have a bad experience you tell 10. We are judged by our worst, not out best. Until podiatry changes the admission process and the model of education. We will always be 2nd class citizens to some of our colleagues.

There are incompetent people in almost every profession, at every level.

I mean, just look at our current president

 

[GypsyHummus]

I’m surprised. I would think that the rigor of the DMU curriculum, which is essentially the same as the DO school +\- 3 classes would weed out the lower performing students. Do you by chance remember the failure policy? Usually it’s 2 Fs and your out.

I could see an argument for places like Barry or Kent that are not associated with a Medical School institution, but to my knowlage DMU, AZPOD, and that one school in California all take the classes and same tests preclinical years with the DOs.

By that logic, you would extrapolate that the same would go for their DO school, even if they had higher grades. That a majority of the students were not smart.

I can tell you this, that is not the case with AZPOD. Extremely smart pod students, and their averages show it, they have something like a 3.5 and 502 mcat average, the same as many DO schools out there.

I can see your argument with MD schools however, the bar is just so high.

I beg to differ. I had some classmates who had no business graduating. But they did. They had no business getting residency programs and they did. They have no business treating patients. And they are. And this was at the Harvard of the Midwest DMU.

Real talk : I graduated with some really stupid people who have no business being doctors. This doesn't happen in theMD world. There can be some people who are bad with patients and are better served in academic of research roles, but they are still smart.

It's like the restaurant business. You have a great experience you maybe tell 1 person. You have a bad experience you tell 10. We are judged by our worst, not out best. Until podiatry changes the admission process and the model of education. We will always be 2nd class citizens to some of our colleagues.

 

[GypsyHummus]

I think AZPOD is different than every pod school out there. It’s a little gem in the Wild West. I really hope they do NOT expand their class size, part of the uniqueness and draw was it’s selectivity.

I beg to differ on podiatry students not as smart. Yes, the majority may not be but there are classmates of mine who got 513 on the MCAT and had higher than 3.5 gpa that are doing podiatry. I also would bet you I'm as smart as most medical students out there.

 

[air bud]

First, I have a dad, 2 brothers and 2 cousins who are MD, I am fully aware there is incompetence there. The difference is they get the benefit of the doubt in nearly all situations. Legal and non legal. It is the way things work.

Second, quit being brainwashed into thinking you are being trained to be some fantastic MD student. The classes at the almighty DMU (my Alma mater) are not equal between DO and Pods. First year is the same, yes. But this is basically a review of what you did in college. biochemistry, anatomy, micro blah blah blah. Not that hard. 2nd year classes at DMU are NOT the same. 4 weeks and no labs is not equal to their 6 weeks and multiple labs. And again, they continue to use, you quickly forget. As far as so know the only program that is equal is Western. Quit trying to say how great it is as DMU or AZpod to justify your reason to pick that school. You will be trained to be an excellent podiatrist (well prepared to be). You will not be trained to be an MD or DO. Its cool bro, not a big deal.

For Pasha, I am not here to reaffirm your worldview. I am here to provide an alternative to the brainwashing and wearing of Rose colored glasses you are going through. It's ok, I get it. I was once there too. But the prepod forum on SDN is too much of an echo chamber. You can think what you want of me. My background was a non traditional student with some life perspective. I was number 7 in my class at DMU, graduated with a 3.7 and did one of the more well known programs out there, scrubbing 1700 cases before it was all over. Now I am in a very large multispecialty group seeing 25 to 35 patients a day 15 months out. But hey, you are a pre pod. That doesn't mean I am better than you, just that I have more experience than you. As Daniel Moynihan, a Massachusetts senator once said "you sir are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.".

 

[air bud]

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I think AZPOD is different than every pod school out there. It’s a little gem in the Wild West. I really hope they do NOT expand their class size, part of the uniqueness and draw was it’s selectivity.

Lol. Selectivity and podiatry admission is the definition of oxymoron

 

[air bud]

Let's leave it at this. When you get in the real world and are able to look back on your education with some perspective, ask yourself this question: do you think your education and training was equal to that of an MD or a DO? For 99 percent the honest and correct answer will be no. But it's ok, you went to school to become a podiatrist. Until the schooling is changed and pod students take the USMLE, nothing changes. There is nothing wrong with being a podiatrist. I am one. I think I am pretty good at it to. I enjoy going to work each day. But I know my training and I know my limitations. And it's all good bro.

 

[med2345]

First, I have a dad, 2 brothers and 2 cousins who are MD, I am fully aware there is incompetence there. The difference is they get the benefit of the doubt in nearly all situations. Legal and non legal. It is the way things work.

Second, quit being brainwashed into thinking you are being trained to be some fantastic MD student. The classes at the almighty DMU (my Alma mater) are not equal between DO and Pods. First year is the same, yes. But this is basically a review of what you did in college. biochemistry, anatomy, micro blah blah blah. Not that hard. 2nd year classes at DMU are NOT the same. 4 weeks and no labs is not equal to their 6 weeks and multiple labs. And again, they continue to use, you quickly forget. As far as so know the only program that is equal is Western. Quit trying to say how great it is as DMU or AZpod to justify your reason to pick that school. You will be trained to be an excellent podiatrist (well prepared to be). You will not be trained to be an MD or DO. Its cool bro, not a big deal.

For Pasha, I am not here to reaffirm your worldview. I am here to provide an alternative to the brainwashing and wearing of Rose colored glasses you are going through. It's ok, I get it. I was once there too. But the prepod forum on SDN is too much of an echo chamber. You can think what you want of me. My background was a non traditional student with some life perspective. I was number 7 in my class at DMU, graduated with a 3.7 and did one of the more well known programs out there, scrubbing 1700 cases before it was all over. Now I am in a very large multispecialty group seeing 25 to 35 patients a day 15 months out. But hey, you are a pre pod. That doesn't mean I am better than you, just that I have more experience than you. As Daniel Moynihan, a Massachusetts senator once said "you sir are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.".

You were saying that in DO and MD especially that students weren’t able to slide by like in pod school like you claim. Your argument had nothing to do with benefit of doubt. And to say you know all 21k MD students and however many DO on top that is kinda absurd. I don’t even care enough to keep arguing any points. This is just like beating a dead animal at this point.

 

[GypsyHummus]

I have no doubt that MDs get preferential treatment. That’s something a lot of these new graduating DO students will find out quickly come residency time. The world will always favor the US MD grads, and I don’t think anyone is arguing that point.

But my question lies with the people that you claimed to be concerned with practicing Podiatric Medicine who graduated with you and fundamental competence with DO=Pod education. Wouldn’t these people be filtered out of first year classes? The curriculum is the same as DO students. How many times were they allowed to fail?

And AZPOD is the exact same +\- 3 classes the first 2 years. What is nice about podiatry school is no shelf exams 3rd and 4th year.

First, I have a dad, 2 brothers and 2 cousins who are MD, I am fully aware there is incompetence there. The difference is they get the benefit of the doubt in nearly all situations. Legal and non legal. It is the way things work.

Second, quit being brainwashed into thinking you are being trained to be some fantastic MD student. The classes at the almighty DMU (my Alma mater) are not equal between DO and Pods. First year is the same, yes. But this is basically a review of what you did in college. biochemistry, anatomy, micro blah blah blah. Not that hard. 2nd year classes at DMU are NOT the same. 4 weeks and no labs is not equal to their 6 weeks and multiple labs. And again, they continue to use, you quickly forget. As far as so know the only program that is equal is Western. Quit trying to say how great it is as DMU or AZpod to justify your reason to pick that school. You will be trained to be an excellent podiatrist (well prepared to be). You will not be trained to be an MD or DO. Its cool bro, not a big deal.

For Pasha, I am not here to reaffirm your worldview. I am here to provide an alternative to the brainwashing and wearing of Rose colored glasses you are going through. It's ok, I get it. I was once there too. But the prepod forum on SDN is too much of an echo chamber. You can think what you want of me. My background was a non traditional student with some life perspective. I was number 7 in my class at DMU, graduated with a 3.7 and did one of the more well known programs out there, scrubbing 1700 cases before it was all over. Now I am in a very large multispecialty group seeing 25 to 35 patients a day 15 months out. But hey, you are a pre pod. That doesn't mean I am better than you, just that I have more experience than you. As Daniel Moynihan, a Massachusetts senator once said "you sir are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.".

 

[GypsyHummus]

Idk about the MD world, but there are deff DO students out there sliding by with a 2.0 gpa.

You were saying that in DO and MD especially that students weren’t able to slide by like in pod school like you claim. Your argument had nothing to do with benefit of doubt. And to say you know all 21k MD students and however many DO on top that is kinda absurd. I don’t even care enough to keep arguing any points. This is just like beating a dead animal at this point.

 

[GypsyHummus]

There are DOs out there that don’t take the USMLE (COMLEX), would you consider them any less of a physician?

Let's leave it at this. When you get in the real world and are able to look back on your education with some perspective, ask yourself this question: do you think your education and training was equal to that of an MD or a DO? For 99 percent the honest and correct answer will be no. But it's ok, you went to school to become a podiatrist. Until the schooling is changed and pod students take the USMLE, nothing changes. There is nothing wrong with being a podiatrist. I am one. I think I am pretty good at it to. I enjoy going to work each day. But I know my training and I know my limitations. And it's all good bro.

 

[de Ribas]

For Pasha, I am not here to reaffirm your worldview. I am here to provide an alternative to the brainwashing and wearing of Rose colored glasses you are going through.

I am trying to look at things realistically and objectively. I never said at this thread that pod education is equal or superior to MD or DO education. I am sure that theirs is more in depth and involves relatively more information. I am not wearing rose colored glasses.

On this thread, I was replying to comments that are simply not true and subjective. Otherwise, I am not trying to make podiatry look better than it is. I have realistic perspective, but please do not go into other extreme and try to make people think of podiatry as it is the worst career you can have in life. People have done their research and are making their own personal choices.

I was replying to your comment that there are stupid pod students and 0 stupid MD/DO students. I was just saying that it's not true and you act like you know all 21,000 students and hundreds of thousands of practicing physicians.

I would suggest if you have experience and good opinion to share, please share it in a somewhat neutral tone. If you really want to help pre-meds/pre-pods, that is great. I think everyone here appreciates and accepts opinions and help. But your tone is always negative towards podiatry which just makes people have negative feelings and such.

I have read many other podiatry threads on this forum and there are many practicing podiatrists that also provide objective opinions in a neutral tone. It's just easier to accept.

 

[Certified Corsair]

I work in a hospital with doctors of all specialties. There's an idiot in every branch, including my lowly lab tech self. I've met smarter people that like staring at trees and ants, or building houses. Just do what you like and that can help pay for the family.

 

[med2345]

At the end of the day the question is pretty irrelevant too (getting back to the main point). MD DO or DPM you'd hope someone that is prescribing medicine + doing surgery is you know, actually decently educated in medicine. Which there are plenty of great podiatrists that exist now obviously (so the education is up to par and so are the applicants), so why this is a question to begin with or an argument kinda baffles me.

 

[Packers4lifeDPM]

I think AZPOD is different than every pod school out there. It’s a little gem in the Wild West. I really hope they do NOT expand their class size, part of the uniqueness and draw was it’s selectivity.

Going to be expanding to 40 next year and then 50 the following year.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Do you think podiatrists will ever reach parity in the eyes of the law the same way DOs did back in the 50s and 60s?

Could pod schools increase their standards to attract better students, or do you think they will only get bottom barrel gpa and mcat candidates?

Let's leave it at this. When you get in the real world and are able to look back on your education with some perspective, ask yourself this question: do you think your education and training was equal to that of an MD or a DO? For 99 percent the honest and correct answer will be no. But it's ok, you went to school to become a podiatrist. Until the schooling is changed and pod students take the USMLE, nothing changes. There is nothing wrong with being a podiatrist. I am one. I think I am pretty good at it to. I enjoy going to work each day. But I know my training and I know my limitations. And it's all good bro.

 

[de Ribas]

will only get bottom barrel gpa and mcat candidates?

This is wrong. What does the word "only" mean?

every pod school gets some students with 3.9-4.0 GPA and with 32-36 MCAT.

Pod averages are lower, but it does not mean that these schools get students only with low stats.

 

[bobtheweazel]

Do you think podiatrists will ever reach parity in the eyes of the law the same way DOs did back in the 50s and 60s?

Could pod schools increase their standards to attract better students, or do you think they will only get bottom barrel gpa and mcat candidates?

Most likely, nothing really needs to change at the level of the schools and residencies for parity. Some states and hospital systems and medical groups and insurance companies already have as much parity for podiatrists as one could ever hope for. It really just needs time to spread, but it's the logical conclusion since state laws and hospital bylaws never really become more restrictive. For instance in states where they've given podiatrists so much free range they can't go and take some of it away without very very good reason (which would never happen) or they could easily be sued for discrimination. So it's quite rare that that kind of stuff happens (there is one example in Georgia I believe where a judge decided that podiatrists couldn't do cosmetic surgery after a limb lengthening case went a little awry but that's the only case I can recall). So you would have to asume that the places that are already good for podiatrists will always be good for podiatrists (so we'll never be going backwards at least) and it can only spread from there to get better in other places as well, which it will over time.

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[GypsyHummus]

Yeah, that doesn’t get people too excited but hey, what if that’s the plan to stop saturation? Advitise low numbers so people don’t want to join?

I don't think they have to increase their standards. I said it before, and I still believe that people with higher stats will apply if somehow podiatry paid more. Right now people google "podiatry salary" and they get this.

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[Cranjis McBasketball]

Do you think podiatrists will ever reach parity in the eyes of the law the same way DOs did back in the 50s and 60s?

Could pod schools increase their standards to attract better students, or do you think they will only get bottom barrel gpa and mcat candidates?

Parity isn't paired with school. Look at NPs and PA's. There was a huge need for primary care and so the mid-levels exploded. Now there are online programs where you dont need any experience and they are graduating mid-levels by the truck load. Standards of the schools have gone down but autonomy is continually increasing. It just depends on the demand for the type of work. Its how the DO exploded. There was a huge shortage of primary care and tons of non-trads who wanted to go back to med school. To lure more applicants, more autonomy was given. When the podiatry procedures become more and more in demand, more autonomy will be given to increase those demands and attract more applicants. I think it'll happen slowly. America is getting sicker and fatter..

 

[air bud]

This is wrong. What does the word "only" mean?

every pod school gets some students with 3.9-4.0 GPA and with 32-36 MCAT.

Pod averages are lower, but it does not mean that these schools get students only with low stats.

And they even out the truly bottom of the barrel person. And they STILL have significantly lower averages.

 

[air bud]

Going to be expanding to 40 next year and then 50 the following year.

This is the most predictable thing ever. More students = more money.

 

[air bud]

Do you think podiatrists will ever reach parity in the eyes of the law the same way DOs did back in the 50s and 60s?

Could pod schools increase their standards to attract better students, or do you think they will only get bottom barrel gpa and mcat candidates?

No

 

[air bud]

Parity isn't paired with school. Look at NPs and PA's. There was a huge need for primary care and so the mid-levels exploded. Now there are online programs where you dont need any experience and they are graduating mid-levels by the truck load. Standards of the schools have gone down but autonomy is continually increasing. It just depends on the demand for the type of work. Its how the DO exploded. There was a huge shortage of primary care and tons of non-trads who wanted to go back to med school. To lure more applicants, more autonomy was given. When the podiatry procedures become more and more in demand, more autonomy will be given to increase those demands and attract more applicants. I think it'll happen slowly. America is getting sicker and fatter..

What you guys dont understand is there are no podiatry procedures. Ortho does the big foot and ankle recon cases. Nurses and others can clip nails. Other MDs across the board do wound care (see Healogics). Rheumatologist does injections. PCP does injections or send to PT. There is nothing unique about podiatry. There will always be a role and there will always be certain locations where podiatry can flourish.

 

[GypsyHummus]

But why.

No

 

[air bud]

No

Ego. Tribalism. Do you think politics is going to get any less partisan?

 

[GypsyHummus]

I mean, it’s working for the nurse practiciners right now. They are encroaching their way into specialty care, like cardiology, now. So a little bit of that tribalism and sticking together is doing some good for them.

It’s not really working for pharmacists in terms of expenses rights because they have their own dumpster fire

I think pods can get there if they present a united front. This upcoming generation of pods, like u and all the others that post on the forums will slowly inch the pods to parity.

And the people entering school now could have gone to DO school 5 years ago with their stats. This is the natural progression as DO schools become on par with MD schools. Natural hierarchy of professional schools.

Ego. Tribalism. Do you think politics is going to get any less partisan?

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

I mean, it’s working for the nurse practiciners right now. They are encroaching their way into specialty care, like cardiology, now. So a little bit of that tribalism and sticking together is doing some good for them.

It’s not really working for pharmacists in terms of expenses rights because they have their own dumpster fire

I think pods can get there if they present a united front. This upcoming generation of pods, like u and all the others that post on the forums will slowly inch the pods to parity.

And the people entering school now could have gone to DO school 5 years ago with their stats. This is the natural progression as DO schools become on par with MD schools. Natural hierarchy of professional schools.

The nursing lobby is a monster though. Think of alllllll the nurses that exist. Their lobbying power is not comparable. Its why their autonomy is moving past PAs. The PA lobbying cant compare with the huge nursing lobby