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So what I'm gleaning from this thread is to stay away from this school and not send a secondary over ....
I didn’t go here but honestly I don’t see anything wrong with people opening up about schools. We review clothes we buy, cars, other crap that doesn’t matter but not schools (or residencies) enough. Let them vent....This thread is absolutely ridiculous. There are bits of truth and a good bit of exaggeration. This has been mostly two throwaway accounts echoing each other back and forth.
LMU isn’t great. It’s not even good, but it’s plenty good enough for you to get through and match somewhere decent. It’s hilarious to me that in the same thread there is “they only care about helping the lowest students!” But then at the same time are complaining about pass rates and attrition.
They are obviously trying to fix some of the issues for the lowest students because...ya know...those are the ones who fail.
There are plenty of students from here who go on to match well, whether that is in spite of the school or not is irrelevant.
I didn’t go here but honestly I don’t see anything wrong with people opening up about schools. We review clothes we buy, cars, other crap that doesn’t matter but not schools (or residencies) enough. Let them vent....
I’ve also counted 6-7 different people ranting not just two
They could be one person posting it all tho never know lolFair enough.
It's likely given the reactions of so many on this forum that it's worse at DCOM, but based on my experiences and many of my peers that this seems to be an issue at nearly every DO school.I can't speak for everyone, but I'm mainly irritated that their attempts to "help," are obvious and active hinderances to their students.
It’s unprofessional to make them (faculty) work more than two hours a day. My old school (not this one) already knows I hate em. Told them only thing I’d donate to them ever was a cat turd and never to email me again for donationsIt's likely given the reactions of so many on this forum that it's worse at DCOM, but based on my experiences and many of my peers that this seems to be an issue an nearly every DO school.
My school seemed to enjoy going out of their way to make things harder than they needed to be, threatening us with labels of "unprofessionalism" at every turn if we ever voiced our true feelings. Sadly, seems par for the course.
Socialism doesn’t even work in school curriculumI can't speak for everyone, but I'm mainly irritated that their attempts to "help," are obvious and active hinderances to their students.
Some schools are definitely worse than others, especially those that jump on the greedy train by attempting to expand even before they have established the parent campus.It's likely given the reactions of so many on this forum that it's worse at DCOM, but based on my experiences and many of my peers that this seems to be an issue at nearly every DO school.
My school seemed to enjoy going out of their way to make things harder than they needed to be, threatening us with labels of "unprofessionalism" at every turn if we ever voiced our true feelings. Sadly, seems par for the course.
They could be one person posting it all tho never know lol
My school seemed to enjoy going out of their way to make things harder than they needed to be, threatening us with labels of "unprofessionalism" at every turn if we ever voiced our true feelings. Sadly, seems par for the course.
Firmly believing that no Faculty are a monolithic block (except maybe the OMM/OMT Faculty) I think that this kind of collective behavior (or defensive posturing) by seeking out the most student-friendly faculty and having them be your advocates.Same. My school is overall very good but the whole getting threatened with unprofessionalism for simply voicing opinions gets old real fast. One time one clinical SP experience was horrendously done where a massive chunk of the class failed (we didn't do something that we never knew we were supposed to do and the people who passed barely passed) and when students used the anonymous feedback submission function a few professors got all grumpy and said that we were being unprofessional for doing it lol
It’s just a cop out when they know they are wrongSame. My school is overall very good but the whole getting threatened with unprofessionalism for simply voicing opinions gets old real fast. One time one clinical SP experience was horrendously done where a massive chunk of the class failed (we didn't do something that we never knew we were supposed to do and the people who passed barely passed) and when students used the anonymous feedback submission function a few professors got all grumpy and said that we were being unprofessional for doing it lol
Our school is going to combine our graduation with the new optometry school’s first class’s graduation.Same. My school is overall very good but the whole getting threatened with unprofessionalism for simply voicing opinions gets old real fast. One time one clinical SP experience was horrendously done where a massive chunk of the class failed (we didn't do something that we never knew we were supposed to do and the people who passed barely passed) and when students used the anonymous feedback submission function a few professors got all grumpy and said that we were being unprofessional for doing it lol
Our school is going to combine our graduation with the new optometry school’s first class’s graduation.
One student started an opposition letter and sent out an email for us to sign it. Over half our class signed and over half of the optometry class signed. It was tasteful, outlined that while we are both becoming doctors we’re 2 different professions who both deserve to be recognized in their own capacity and not as a combined entity. It’s also their first class so they deserve more recognition than they would get from our class outnumbering them more than 2:1
Administration went ballistic, demanding the identity of the student shouting about unprofessionalism.
Firmly believing that no Faculty are a monolithic block (except maybe the OMM/OMT Faculty) I think that this kind of collective behavior (or defensive posturing) by seeking out the most student-friendly faculty and having them be your advocates.
Yeah we have a lot of really good faculty, and then there are some that love their power and are wont to let it go. I figure every school is like this though.
Your school is better than most though
Guess they don’t see the problem with combining graduationsOur school is going to combine our graduation with the new optometry school’s first class’s graduation.
One student started an opposition letter and sent out an email for us to sign it. Over half our class signed and over half of the optometry class signed. It was tasteful, outlined that while we are both becoming doctors we’re 2 different professions who both deserve to be recognized in their own capacity and not as a combined entity. It’s also their first class so they deserve more recognition than they would get from our class outnumbering them more than 2:1
Administration went ballistic, demanding the identity of the student shouting about unprofessionalism.
Jeeze, your Administration's reaction is the most insane thing I've read in quite a while.Our school is going to combine our graduation with the new optometry school’s first class’s graduation.
One student started an opposition letter and sent out an email for us to sign it. Over half our class signed and over half of the optometry class signed. It was tasteful, outlined that while we are both becoming doctors we’re 2 different professions who both deserve to be recognized in their own capacity and not as a combined entity. It’s also their first class so they deserve more recognition than they would get from our class outnumbering them more than 2:1
Administration went ballistic, demanding the identity of the student shouting about unprofessionalism.
Need to name the school no shame in bashing higher ed when it earns itJeeze, your Administration's reaction is the most insane thing I've read in quite a while.
I understand the logic of combining graduations..it saves moneys and staff effort...but frankly, I don't give a rat's ass about saving money. It's like trying to combine yours and your cousin's wedding.
I want to see MY students graduate, not those of the other colleges at my school.
For your school...work you way up the chain of command to University Provost.CEO/President/ Chancellor.
Jeeze, your Administration's reaction is the most insane thing I've read in quite a while.
I understand the logic of combining graduations..it saves moneys and staff effort...but frankly, I don't give a rat's ass about saving money. It's like trying to combine yours and your cousin's wedding.
I want to see MY students graduate, not those of the other colleges at my school.
For your school...work you way up the chain of command to University Provost.CEO/President/ Chancellor.
They can’t really do anything to students if they haven’t been in trouble before. Always advised people to put their phones on record if they ever had to go to SPC or whatever the equivalent is. If you’re a top of the class student schools honestly can’t kick you out for no reason unless they want a lawsuitThat’s not wise in many of these oppressive administrations. That’s going to make it much worse for those students. They hate when they get called out for being called out, going to their higher ups is going to hurt the administrator’s egos even more. I think something needs to be done but they need to tread lightly. That’s putting a serious target on their backs.
They can’t really do anything to students if they haven’t been in trouble before.
If your a top of the class student schools honestly can’t kick you out for no reason unless they want a lawsui
I’d record the entire conversation and take them to court. Usually court isn’t worth it but deans letter problems totally would be. Usually there’s enough people on a council for a couple of them to say something they shouldn’t. We had several people back in my class threaten with recordings and the school knows if they said something dumb they could get in trouble.Oh they absolutely won't be dismissed, however there are numerous ways they can hurt students. At my school they could easily slap an unprofessional grade on you, and if you get one it legit goes on the front page of your MSPE. You can be a top student, top applicant, and many programs will avoid you because of the "unprofessional" mark on your application.
Quoting a former Dean:I’d record the entire conversation and take them to court. Usually court isn’t worth it but deans letter problems totally would be. Usually there’s enough people on a council for a couple of them to say something they shouldn’t. We had several people back in my class threaten with recordings and the school knows if they said something dumb they could get in trouble.
Of course this isn’t always successful and I wouldn’t advice anyone to risk it but smartphones are SPCs worst nightmare.
Faculty are just as emotional if not more than the average student hence they always slip up.
Not sure if I understand are you saying .. is it usually they won’t do anything? And the quote is basically a circular one lol.Quoting a former Dean:
"No medical school has ever been successfully sued if it was shown that their actions were not arbitrary or capricious".
Med schools aren't stupid. That's why student handbooks and protocols exits. If a school wanted to expel a student for unprofessional behavior, they'll behave like any business with even a halfway competent HR dept: the'll document everything and have a paper trail.
So it's time to step back and stop projecting your anxieties. Llousy administrations, like at LMU, are far more bark than bite.
What I'm saying is that they're all bark and no bite.Not sure if I understand are you saying .. is it usually they won’t do anything? And the quote is basically a circular one lol.
Sort of like saying the ground is dry unless it’s not.
Are schools smart or “lousy administration”? Not sure if one place could be both.
I think we are in agreement though that students near graduation with no black marks are relatively safe from the vengeance of administration. It has always seemed getting the boot first semester is so much easier than anything past second year unless one does something superbad and non P.C. in clinicals
Quoting a former Dean:
"No medical school has ever been successfully sued if it was shown that their actions were not arbitrary or capricious".
Med schools aren't stupid. That's why student handbooks and protocols exits. If a school wanted to expel a student for unprofessional behavior, they'll behave like any business with even a halfway competent HR dept: the'll document everything and have a paper trail.
So it's time to step back and stop projecting your anxieties. Llousy administrations, like at LMU, are far more bark than bite.
Spoken like someone with severe unprofessionalismUniversity of Pikeville—KY has a School of Optometry plus KYCOM. No, LMU is not the only DO school with problems, there are quite a few that make that list. Maybe the COCA should focus upon improving the existing DO schools before opening new ones.
Again, not saying LMU’s admin isn’t horrible, but they aren’t the ones involved in this conversation about the merging of optometry and osteopathic graduations. LMU does not have an optometry program...
Yep that would be KYCOM.University of Pikeville—KY has a School of Optometry plus KYCOM. No, LMU is not the only DO school with problems, there are quite a few that make that list. Maybe the COCA should focus upon improving the existing DO schools before opening new ones.
Quoting a former Dean:
"No medical school has ever been successfully sued if it was shown that their actions were not arbitrary or capricious".
Med schools aren't stupid. That's why student handbooks and protocols exits. If a school wanted to expel a student for unprofessional behavior, they'll behave like any business with even a halfway competent HR dept: the'll document everything and have a paper trail.
So it's time to step back and stop projecting your anxieties. Llousy administrations, like at LMU, are far more bark than bite.
100% correct. These are extremely rare at my school. If anything, we try to salvage these students, even if a few of the really DO need dismissal!I think you have to do some really heinous **** to get outright dismissed or a permanent mark for professionalism.
Report them to canary mission. I would if I saw it even though I’m not like politically polarized. Anyone saying somebody should bomb whatever country on the Internet doesn’t need to be a doctor. How will they treat jews in clinic? Probably not well if they think Israel should be made into glass
No never interacted with one in my life. Made it all the way to pg 2 with no interaction at all.
People say stuff all the time in person but posting on social media where everyone can see is much worse and likely to catch flak once you are in the real world
I don't have the link handy, but I posted in this forum about the Touro-NY grads whose virulently anti-semitic texts and social media messages got her fired from Case. Actions do have consequences.Report them to canary mission. I would if I saw it even though I’m not like politically polarized. Anyone saying somebody should bomb whatever country on the Internet doesn’t need to be a doctor. How will they treat jews in clinic? Probably not well if they think Israel should be made into glass
I don't have the link handy, but I posted in this forum about the Touro-NY grads whose virulently anti-semitic texts and social media messages got her fired from Case. Actions do have consequences.
The beatings will continue until morale improvesIt's likely given the reactions of so many on this forum that it's worse at DCOM, but based on my experiences and many of my peers that this seems to be an issue at nearly every DO school.
My school seemed to enjoy going out of their way to make things harder than they needed to be, threatening us with labels of "unprofessionalism" at every turn if we ever voiced our true feelings. Sadly, seems par for the course.
Don’t stick your neck out as a student, they can always hurt you moreOur school is going to combine our graduation with the new optometry school’s first class’s graduation.
One student started an opposition letter and sent out an email for us to sign it. Over half our class signed and over half of the optometry class signed. It was tasteful, outlined that while we are both becoming doctors we’re 2 different professions who both deserve to be recognized in their own capacity and not as a combined entity. It’s also their first class so they deserve more recognition than they would get from our class outnumbering them more than 2:1
Administration went ballistic, demanding the identity of the student shouting about unprofessionalism.
I’m not sticking my neck out personally because I’m in a bad enough spot as is, but I’m rooting for those who do.The beatings will continue until morale improves
Don’t stick your neck out as a student, they can always hurt you more
As much as I love to **** on my school, this is one thing you can’t really dispute. For all their shadiness with academics I have never felt like they unfairly targeted students for “professionalism”. For example, we have people in my class who go on AGGRESSIVE political rants on Facebook and will outright berate anyone who challenges them with a conservative counterpoint or classmates who go on anti-Semitic rants on how certain middle eastern countries need to bomb Israel into submission and return their land to Palestine. As far as I know those people have never gotten so much as a warning from the admin.
The only guy from my class that has gotten punished for professionalism was a guy who emailed all 4 med school classes, the whole faculty, and the dean in a mass email berating the dean because he lost the student government election. They didn’t even dismiss him, he was just forced to take a 2 year LOA.
I think you have to do some really heinous **** to get outright dismissed or a permanent mark for professionalism.
Your school has mandatory community service hours?remainder of her time at school for “exaggerating her community service hours” that are required here over year 1 and 2.
Your school has mandatory community service hours?
WowSigh. Yes, 80 hours.
Your school has mandatory community service hours?
I believe they go to DCOM...
Detention Center of Osteopathic Medicine
Don’t want to start any rumors, but I believe they just got a new dean; Larry Nassar!