My wicked sick PAT tutorial

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Ok, so, because I have an english midterm tomorrow that I don't want to study for, and because there's 600 posts about how impossible TFE is, and also because I'm good at TFE and feel like being a hero, I'm gonna make a little tutorial where I post a couple of them and talk you through the answer! After I do that, you can scan/post any other ones you want and I'll do my best to explain them. I don't use any weird strategies, I just look at the lines and visualize it in 3D. The tips and tricks you hear about might help narrow it down in some cases but if you can visualize it properly you'll be able to get every question every time.

Oh and excuse the fact that there's writing all over my examples, haha.

Ok first one..
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Alright this is a good example for explaining what solid and dashed lines mean.

I assume everyone knows what the different views represent... If not then think of it this way... Imagine a person looking into a camera lens.

A straight up mugshot of the person's face is a "Front" view. Now if you take the camera and move it up, then pivot it and aim it downwards, you've got a "Top" view. Now for the end view, take the camera and put it back in front of the person's face...then you'd take a side-shot of the person's left cheek (but since you're the camera man and you're facing them, you're moving the camera to your right side).

Ok great.

First, looking at the top view, you have one solid line that goes all the way across, from left to right. That means that from a side view, you're only going to have one change in height. Now remember that a straight line like that can mean a straight up drop in height, or it can mean there's a slope with a gradual decline. Looking at all the answers though, it's pretty obvious that we're not looking at any slopes. However, every one of the answers has a single drop in elevation on the top part, so that little bit of information isn't going to narrow it down too dramatically. But... dun dun dun.. look at choice C. Choice C does have a drop in elevation at the top, which is what we decided we're looking for, but it's got the drop at the position of one of the dashed lines (you can tell by the position and thickness of the notch). That's bad! I'm sure this is a trap some people fall into, but yeah, don't. Look at "Fig 1" to see which solid line I'm talking about and where it corresponds to a drop in height in each of the answers (green). Red line = danger = don't fricken do it. Dashed lines do not represent any changes in elevation on the surface they appear on (did that make sense?). Dashed lines are there to show you that there's some kind of height difference deeper into the object, or on the other side all together (what I mean is, it could be a hole that passes through the middle of the object, I'll explain more later if I find an example)

Fig 1
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On to the dashed lines we go.

So we've got three horizontal dashed lines on the top view. That means that somewhere in the object, you've got at least 3 extra "walls" (you'll see why I say 'at least' in a second). In other words, there's some kind of height change somewhere that isnt visible from the top. Based on the relative positions of the lines, you'll be able to figure out where the 'height' differences are supposed to be.

Let's compare this to the answer choices. Choice A has 3 walls that you cant see from the top view, D has 4. However, look at the orange line in Fig 2 with the question mark. This wall is lined up perfectly with the blue height change that we discussed above. Because of this, its dashed lines won't show up in the top view (for no reason other than the fact that if you draw a solid line on top of a dashed line...you get a solid line :D).

All the walls are spaced apart proportionally to the dashed lines in the top view of the original figure in A and D. Look at B though, it only has 2 of these "walls" that we established you couldn't see from the top. Look at Fig 2. Green = good, red = bad, blue = done, orange = tricky POS.


Fig 2
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Great, so we've narrowed it down to A or D. We've done about all we can do with the top view so let's go to the front view. Here we've got 2 solid lines, so from a head-on view, there's 2 height changes. From everything I've said so far about the top view, this should be really easy to figure out, so I'm just gonna include a final figure (green = solid lines and what they correspond with, blue = stuff we already talked about, red = why D is wrong, and orange = dashed lines and what they correspond to)

Notice also how high up the notches go in D, I've highlighted them in red. You should notice that these are way, way higher up than the dashed lines on the front view, so that's another way to eliminate it.

Fig 3
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Alright so after all that we can safely conclude that the answer is indeed C.



Just kidding...:rolleyes:.......It's A.

So yeah, that took way longer than I thought it would and I'm thinking it might have been too simple of an example to be helpful... I hope it helps someone though. If someone can find a really hard one they want me to go through post it here.

Oh crap.. exam tomorrow:scared:

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Do you offer any suggestions on killing the pattern folding section? I seem to struggle with this hardcore >_<

See page 5, post 207.

Other than that, practice frequently so your mind gets used to seeing/doing these "quickly" (for lack of a better term).

2thDMD (Justin)
 
Just read through this whole thread. I'm grateful for it! It makes the simple questions really easy to do but harder questions are still, really hard. And ofcourse the line counting method is pretty much useless now days.
 
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yup keypox is totally right, but to put it in other words, that line represents the edge of the diamond where two sloped faces meet. That edge is visible in the end view so it's solid

If you wanted to be super technical it would be a dashed line and a solid line, because there's another edge directly behind it - but when you draw a solid line on top of a dashed line it's just a solid line :D
Am I the only one who is thinking D, instead of C, should be the correct answer? :shy:
Looking at the TopView, the right side is carved out in the center, leaving a flat side if looking from the right side (side view), and thus the edge should be missing in the middle. So confused. Can anyone help?
 
yup keypox is totally right, but to put it in other words, that line represents the edge of the diamond where two sloped faces meet. That edge is visible in the end view so it's solid

If you wanted to be super technical it would be a dashed line and a solid line, because there's another edge directly behind it - but when you draw a solid line on top of a dashed line it's just a solid line :D
Am I the only one who is thinking D, instead of C, should be the correct answer? :shy:
Looking at the TopView, the right side is carved out in the center, leaving a flat side if looking from the right side (side view), and thus the edge should be missing in the middle. So confused. Can anyone help?
 
Just an FYI I sent this to the ADA yesterday and got a response:
I am working on hole punching and needed some clarification, in all the ADA released questions and the posts I have been able to find, there are no “Half hole punches”. I noticed some prep companies are incorporating them into the practice material and wasn’t sure if that was just for practice or might I see something like that on the exam?

An example is here at the top of this page where it is punched through a crease in the paper:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/my-wicked-sick-pat-tutorial.528643/page-5
Alan

Their response was:
Alan,
Your question was forwarded to the DAT Test Development team. They have confirmed that there are no questions that contain ‘half hole punches’ on the DAT.
Have a great day!
Nicholas - Test Administration Associate - Department of Testing Services

I am sure it is great practice, and definitely breaks it up with more variety, but you shouldn't see it on the real exam.
 
tfe is just not clicking for me.. i have been thru all of these posts and i DO NOT GET IT.... is there any facts/rules that always WORK that i can use? for example

If this part of the front end is dashed... then this part of the side view should be ___
orrrr.. if this part of the top is solid...then this part of the front view would be ___

you know, things that WILL always work, that i can use because right know nothings working

id appreciate it y'all
 
Okay Mamona

Fig 1
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Harry was right, you can narrow this one down and find the answer super fast, but I'll include some color-codedness just so you can see what every line means. First off:

Fig 2
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A is immediately eliminated because it's a fatty. If you look at the end view, you can tell how wide the structure is and A is DEFINITELY a lot fatter than what the end view shows us. That was easy enough to eliminate.

Now look at the lines highlighted in blue (this part's a bit tougher to explain but I'll do my best)... Since there's a gap where the blue lines are, and the object is slanting away, there's also going to be a gap in the top view. I think it's best to just look at C and D to see what I mean and compare it to B (which is wrong). If anyone can explain what I just said better than me please do, lol.

Anyways yeah, B's out.

Fig 3
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Now that we've narrowed it down to C and D, there's really only one place we have to look to be able to choose the right answer. Look at the same lines as in Fig 2, this time highlighted in green. This "gap", because it's underneath that top horizontal bar, should have dashed lines when looking at it from the top view (because you can't see them directly from the top view). Looking at C and D, only D has dashed lines. These lines are highlighted in green in choice D and red in choice C so you can see which ones I'm talking about. That's pretty much it to be able to safely choose D as the answer, but just so you can see what every line means, I made Fig 4 which has everything color-coded.

Fig 4
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You can match up the colored lines in Fig 4 (and you'll probably want to look at them on Fig 1 which has no colored lines on it lol) which should help you see what each of the lines represents in the different views.

Hope this helps :)



i can't even tell why A would be out.... the side of it is just as long as end view and the bottom width is just like front view.. i wouldn't even think its a fatty.... ugh
 
tfe is just not clicking for me.. i have been thru all of these posts and i DO NOT GET IT.... is there any facts/rules that always WORK that i can use? for example

If this part of the front end is dashed... then this part of the side view should be ___
orrrr.. if this part of the top is solid...then this part of the front view would be ___

you know, things that WILL always work, that i can use because right know nothings working

id appreciate it y'all
same
 
i can't even tell why A would be out.... the side of it is just as long as end view and the bottom width is just like front view.. i wouldn't even think its a fatty.... ugh

Top view always shows the Width/Depth of an object
Front view always shows the Width/Height of an object
End view always shows the Height/Depth of an object

The depth of the top view must match the depth of the end view. Since Top view depth doesn't match end view depth, it's eliminated. FYI, you compare the longest size.
 

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Hi all, was wondering if you could help me out.
I'm usually pretty good at recognizing my errors upon viewing "corrections" however, I am really struggling with this one. As you can see I thought it would have to be "B". Even though it's slightly short, I had ruled out the other options. The answer implied does not make sense to me. Any thoughts?
 

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Hi all, was wondering if you could help me out.
I'm usually pretty good at recognizing my errors upon viewing "corrections" however, I am really struggling with this one. As you can see I thought it would have to be "B". Even though it's slightly short, I had ruled out the other options. The answer implied does not make sense to me. Any thoughts?

Take a look at the far right vertical edge of the object. At the top, it meets one corner that comes towards you. At the bottom, it meets another corner that comes towards you. For both of those corners to be 90 degrees, those horizontal edges that come toward you would have to be parallel. Since the bottom edge is angled 'up,' we know that there is a ramp there. You chose "B," but notice that the key shows a similar object with a longer bottom. If the ramp was not there, then option "B" would have been about the correct height. That longer bottom is due to the ramp that sticks out further below the front horizontal edge we can see. Rotate the object to your left less than 90 degree and you'll see the outline shown in "C."
 
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Take a look at the far right vertical edge of the object. At the top, it meets one corner that comes towards you. At the bottom, it meets another corner that comes towards you. For both of those corners to be 90 degrees, those horizontal edges that come toward you would have to be parallel. Since the bottom edge is angled 'up,' we know that there is a ramp there. You chose "B," but notice that the key shows a similar object with a longer bottom. If the ramp was not there, then option "B" would have been about the correct height. That longer bottom is due to the ramp that sticks out further below the front horizontal edge we can see. Rotate the object to your left less than 90 degree and you'll see the outline shown in "C."
Great response, thanks! I totally missed the ramp thing. Now that I stare at that right side it is most certainly a right trapezoid!
 
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