futuredoctorOD said:
....I don't want to participate in surgery personally but I will support a residency program for surgery proceedures for Optometrists....maybe like OMFS---something like that.
For someone who is a pre-OD you seem to know a lot more about OMFS than I! Have you any clues about OMFS? Well, please let me clue you in
Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery:
"The Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery at the University of Pittsburgh offers a six-year dual degree program, combining a medical degree and advanced surgical training in oral and maxillofacial surgery. Residents commence training as first-year interns in the Department, and join their corresponding first-year medical school class in the spring of the first year of medical school. The departments residents spend a total of 32 months on the oral and maxillofacial surgery service.
PGY-1 Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery
PGY-2 University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
PGY-3 University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
PGY-4 University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine/Anesthesia
PGY-5 University of Pittsburgh Medical Center
General Surgery Internship
PGY-6 Chief Resident: Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery"
Btw, I'm against OMFS doing plastic surgery. Unless an OMFS has a formal training (residency/fellowship) in plastic surgery, they need to leave it to the Plastic guys.
futuredoctorOD said:
....---back to worring about how I am going to get my OD and JD degrees in the next several years!
Maybe you should worry about getting in a OD program first! You don't seem to have the common sense/aptitude for the LSAT.
futuredoctorOD said:
....Again Mr. DDS status quo....Using the Medical argument----you my friend are NOT a medical doctor and should not be doing any surgery or prescribing any oral meds----because you don't have an MD! Don't tell me that dental education matches medical school in the sense of do rotations thru EVERYTHING---you guys do not!.......there are those out there in Allopathy that still think you are inferior b/c you do not have the MD....unless you go OMFS, MD....then you are cool....lol
I had always thought that dentists were MDs! Thanks for pointing out the obvious fact! "any surgery" or "prescribing any oral meds" that dentists do is WITHIN our SCOPE OF PRACTICE by law. For example a Joe Blow comes in our practice with a moderate size abscess, if I don't provide proper tx, I&D (Incision&Drainage) and proper antibiotic, (because you don't think that's in my scope of practice!) pain med (for patient's comfort) then what'll happen next? Cellulitis, Ludwig's Angina. That's right, go look that up!
If you have a swelling, tooth ache, excruciating pain in lower jaw radiating to your face and ear, trismus, "my whole face hurts, blahhhh!" who would you come crying to?
futuredoctorOD said:
....I am very proud of the OD......I just believe in evolution----Natural selection....the environment selecting out for the fittest alleles and optometry has come of age.....lol
I see, you've made a very persuasive argument!
So you had an evolution class (btw, that class is a joke, anyone with a common sense can score an easssy A!)
"fittest alleles" so you've remembered something about genetic class. Impressive! Yet, those are irrelevant to your support of surgical privilege for ODs. "Proud" has nothing to do with it!
Nine pages of discussion and yet you have not provided a plausible reason(s) as to WHY an OD should have an "Expanded" scope of practice, the right to do invasive surgical procedures? How do they handle surgical post-op complications? Are they well trained to provide surgical care, possible complications during and after operation? There's no such thing as a "minor," routine, simple surgical procedure! Even when the chances of surgical complications are 1 in billion, how do you know that it won't happen to you? you'd be that 1 in billion!
Scope of Practice and Standard of Care exist for a good reason. Without it anyone can do anything as they please. What's next? Chiropractors doing orthopedic surgery? Why not "EXPANDING" their scope of practice? after all, it's just bones! Don't you think it's a joke? Scope of Practice vs Expanded Scope of Practice vs what's next? Extra Expanded Scope of Practice.
Dig deep inside and ask yourself this question: Who would you choose for an invasive surgical eye procedure for yourself and your loved ones?
Choice A: Andrew Doan, M.D. (AKA Eye physician & Surgeon)
Choice B: Joe Blow, O.D.
I would be a fool to pick Joe Blow over Doan!
Would you go to Doan, M.D for plastic surgery, brain surgery? Why not? He's a surgeon too! Maybe they can incorporate brain surgery training into his program so that he can expand his scope of practice! You know, to provide access to healthcare to his patients!
I'm all for ODs having surgical privilege if and only if they are formally trained in a
Post-Doc program specifically designed for those surgical procedures. Untill then, let's "leave it to the beaver" AKA Opthalmologists. As of now, you do not have a leg to stand on regarding this issue! What happened in OK was politics, and the bottom line was money. Money talks, B.S walks, imho!