Pay during ADSO if you've done a residency

[chompsss]

I'm looking for a few clarifying details, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

My questions are specific to the Navy, though I suspect that the answers are the same for all branches.

Example A: Student on HSCP or HPSP graduates from dental school and goes right into 2-year Endo program (or 3-year Prosth, 3-year Perio, etc.) within the military (FTIS). After that two-year endo program and during the four years of ADSO, does he or she receive the Board-Certified Pay? I'm assuming yes since it's not a bonus, per se?

That would be about an $8k difference over those four years, assuming 0 prior years service upon entering HPSP/HSCP.

Example B: Student on HSCP or HPSP graduates from dental school and goes right into 4-year OMFS program within the military (FTIS). After that four-year OMFS program and during the four years of ADSO, does he or she receive BCP as well as ISP? I'm thinking that he or she would NOT receive ISP since they're basically just paying back their ADSO, right? However, any extension past the 4-year ADSO would be eligible to receive ISP, right?

With BCP as well as ISP, that's an additional $52k/year and with BCP alone, that's only an additional $2k/year.

Example C: Student on HSCP or HPSP graduates from dental school and goes right into military practice as a general dentist. He or she finishes the 4 years of ADSO and enters into a 2-year Endo program through the military (FTIS). Is he or she eligible to receive a MRB and if so, how much? If he or she extends for four years (two of which would be in residency), would he or she get general dentist MRB for the first two years and then specialist MRB for the second two years?

I wouldn't bother the forum with this if I could find the regs myself, but it seems like such a crapshoot finding the answers to these things. Even recruiters don't offer much help, in my experience. If you don't know but happen to know someone who likely might, would you please tag them to this thread?

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[vellnueve]

I'm looking for a few clarifying details, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

My questions are specific to the Navy, though I suspect that the answers are the same for all branches.

Example A: Student on HSCP or HPSP graduates from dental school and goes right into 2-year Endo program (or 3-year Prosth, 3-year Perio, etc.) within the military (FTIS). After that two-year endo program and during the four years of ADSO, does he or she receive the Board-Certified Pay? I'm assuming yes since it's not a bonus, per se?

That would be about an $8k difference over those four years, assuming 0 prior years service upon entering HPSP/HSCP.

Example B: Student on HSCP or HPSP graduates from dental school and goes right into 4-year OMFS program within the military (FTIS). After that four-year OMFS program and during the four years of ADSO, does he or she receive BCP as well as ISP? I'm thinking that he or she would NOT receive ISP since they're basically just paying back their ADSO, right? However, any extension past the 4-year ADSO would be eligible to receive ISP, right?

With BCP as well as ISP, that's an additional $52k/year and with BCP alone, that's only an additional $2k/year.

Example C: Student on HSCP or HPSP graduates from dental school and goes right into 63A practice as a general dentist. He or she finishes the 4 years of ADSO and enters into a 2-year Endo program through the military (FTIS). Is he or she eligible to receive a MRB and if so, how much? If he or she extends for four years (two of which would be in residency), would he or she get 63A MRB for the first two years and then specialist MRB for the second two years?

I wouldn't bother the forum with this if I could find the regs myself, but it seems like such a crapshoot finding the answers to these things. Even recruiters don't offer much help, in my experience. If you don't know but happen to know someone who likely might, would you please tag them to this thread?

All those pays will be non-applicable to you as you will be under the consolidated pay plan, the details of which are still being finalized.

I do know that BCP will no longer depend on years of service.

ISP is part of the legacy pay plan.

You can receive an RB as long as the effective date is before start of residency, otherwise you will pay back that time starting after residency ends.

Also, 63A/B are Army terms. If you ask Navy people they'll have no idea what you're talking about.

I wouldn't expect recruiters to understand the special pay system as most dental officers song fully understand it for years either.

 

[chompsss]

Oh, wow. They're doing away with ISP altogether or just in name (AKA, they'll still have ISP to incentivize OMFS to stay AD but will just call it something else)?

Hm... BCP no longer depending on years of service? I wonder what that will look like. Just a flat $4k or something, maybe? Is there any expected date for the release of these new regs?

Thanks for the information on the 63A thing. Does the Navy have a specific term like that to denote general dentists from the other specialists?

Would you mind elaborating on your RB comment? I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what it is you mean.

Good point on the recruiter thing. The pay plans with bonuses is certainly not an easy system to just "get."

 

[chompsss]

@krmower @NAVY DDS 2010 @Tooth @dentclc maybe you guys have info on any of this?

 

[LFA20]

lol first incisor now you stappes57.. I am disappointed..

 

[chompsss]

Wait... that's not helpful to know?

I'll start dental school this fall, so this situation is 4 years from happening to me and since you're graduating in 2018, it's only 2 years from happening to you. You don't care to know that detail?

 

[cacazor]

I'm looking for a few clarifying details, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I doubt it

Wait... that's not helpful to know?

I'll start dental school this fall, so this situation is 4 years from happening to me and since you're graduating in 2018, it's only 2 years from happening to you. You don't care to know that detail?

Not really

Personally speaking, I will be going into service and just do my dentist thing. I will look into AGED , omfs, etc. if it interests me. Then I will take advantage of the TSP or whatever is available. I am going to be paid the same regardless of whether or not I understand the nuance of what I do or not. As long as I know I am getting paid X dollar by doing Y (so I can budget accordingly), I don't need to know how much Mr. ZXY is earning.

 

[chompsss]

I doubt it


Not really

FYI - in one of those scenarios, MRBs would total $140k on one hand and $170k on the other. You're telling me a $30k swing isn't relevant? Really?

 

[cacazor]

FYI - in one of those scenarios, MRBs would total $140k on one hand and $170k on the other. You're telling me a $30k swing isn't relevant? Really?

lmao enjoy dental school buddy
dont get too angry if a patient cancels on you

 

[chompsss]

 

[vellnueve]

FYI - in one of those scenarios, MRBs would total $140k on one hand and $170k on the other. You're telling me a $30k swing isn't relevant? Really?

The new special pays will be comparable to the old pays for the most part. Again, (like with the HPSP scholarship numbers) I've seen the numbers, don't remember the details, and the pays are very comparable to the legacy pays - with less emphasis on time in service (just like the CSP for general dentists). The only numbers I haven't seen yet are the OMS numbers as there are additional components.

Considering that the Navy guidance hasn't been put out yet, and the people eligible for the new pays don't have the details yet, it's something you shouldn't be worrying about as a predent. Your pay as a GP entering the Navy is already set - by the time you finish your first year the CSP for specialists should be available.

 

[gatorfan99]

To get board certification pay you must pass your specialty boards > its NOT something you automatically get after residency, and it usually takes a year post residency for you to prepare to challenge your boards..

 

[AirborneDentist]

Oh, wow. They're doing away with ISP altogether or just in name (AKA, they'll still have ISP to incentivize OMFS to stay AD but will just call it something else)?

Hm... BCP no longer depending on years of service? I wonder what that will look like. Just a flat $4k or something, maybe? Is there any expected date for the release of these new regs?

Thanks for the information on the 63A thing. Does the Navy have a specific term like that to denote general dentists from the other specialists?

Would you mind elaborating on your RB comment? I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what it is you mean.

Good point on the recruiter thing. The pay plans with bonuses is certainly not an easy system to just "get."

You are eligible for a retention bonus (RB) once your initial obligation is 100% done. Now, if that occurs before you start a residency, you can sign an RB and receive it during the residency. However, if you start a residency and have not completed your full obligation, you still do not get the RB until all of your payback is complete.

 

[vellnueve]

You are eligible for a retention bonus (RB) once your initial obligation is 100% done. Now, if that occurs before you start a residency, you can sign an RB and receive it during the residency. However, if you start a residency and have not completed your full obligation, you still do not get the RB until all of your payback is complete.

... which means that, depending on the residency, you won't be eligible for a specialty RB until after the general dentist RB is paid back.

 

[chompsss]

You are eligible for a retention bonus (RB) once your initial obligation is 100% done. Now, if that occurs before you start a residency, you can sign an RB and receive it during the residency. However, if you start a residency and have not completed your full obligation, you still do not get the RB until all of your payback is complete.

... which means that, depending on the residency, you won't be eligible for a specialty RB until after the general dentist RB is paid back.

Thanks, gents.

What if someone completes their 4-year ADSO payback, signs a 4-year extension and enters a two-year residency? I assume they get the GP RB of $25k/year for four years rather than a GP RB for the first two years and a Specialist RB for the last two?

 

[vellnueve]

You get what you signed for... It's a contract.

 

[AirborneDentist]

Thanks, gents.

What if someone completes their 4-year ADSO payback, signs a 4-year extension and enters a two-year residency? I assume they get the GP RB of $25k/year for four years rather than a GP RB for the first two years and a Specialist RB for the last two?

Correct. You would be obligated for the 4 year RB of 25k/year. You wouldn't be eligible to sign a RB after completing the 2 year residency even if you did not sign the 25k RB because you would have a payback from the residency itself.