Pros/Cons of DO schools

[PunkmedGirl]

I look forward to being touch.

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[Semicolon]

I look forward to being touch.

Kinky.

It's not the "touching each other" that bothers me; it's the "shirtless" part that bothers me (no, I'm not that fat ).

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Kinky.

It's not the "touching each other" that bothers me; it's the "shirtless" part that bothers me (no, I'm not that fat ).

I thought most schools partner you with a woman or opposite sex I should say?? Going shirtless can be fun you know.

 

[Phitenks]

I'm not saying this is fact, but I read on a particular website that DO residencies are concentrated on eastern and mid/west states. Can somebody verify on the validity of this statement?

It looks like a credible website, but not too sure. I don't want to post a link in fears of being against the rules.

 

[DrMidlife]

I'm not saying this is fact, but I read on a particular website that DO residencies are concentrated on eastern and mid/west states. Can somebody verify on the validity of this statement?

It looks like a credible website, but not too sure. I don't want to post a link in fears of being against the rules.

See for yourself: the list of AOA residencies can be found at opportunities.osteopathic.org.

 

[spicedmanna]

I thought most schools partner you with a woman or opposite sex I should say?? Going shirtless can be fun you know.

After two years, you should get a nice mix of partners of same/opposite sex and different body types.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I'm not saying this is fact, but I read on a particular website that DO residencies are concentrated on eastern and mid/west states. Can somebody verify on the validity of this statement?

It looks like a credible website, but not too sure. I don't want to post a link in fears of being against the rules.

http://opportunities.osteopathic.org .... check out what you're interested in. To be honest, yes, a lot of residencies are concentrated in these areas (older DO schools, DO populated areas etc), but definitely not all of them, and it really depends on specialty.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

After two years, you should get a nice mix of partners of same/opposite sex and different body types.

Ohh ok. It still doesn't seem too bad.

 

[Semicolon]

I thought most schools partner you with a woman or opposite sex I should say?? Going shirtless can be fun you know.

Don't get me wrong; I don't mind OTHER people being shirtless.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Don't get me wrong; I don't mind OTHER people being shirtless.

 

[Terpskins99]

Pro: giving massages to pretty female med students is part of the curriculum.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Pro: giving massages to pretty female med students is part of the curriculum.

Let's use this as a spring board to move into a conversation about the quality of fembots at the different DO schools (pics preferred).

 

[Bacchus]

DO allows you to manipulate and palpitate the goods, aka your classmates. Only if the butcher shop let you massage the rump roast before buying it.

I don't feel my comment was justly given credit.

 

[RRTinCO]

Pros: Women will hump your junk.

Cons: Men might hump your junk.

If gay or a woman, switch those two.

If bisexual then for the love of christ get into a DO school STAT.

LMAO!!!

 

[Semicolon]

Let's use this as a spring board to move into a conversation about the quality of fembots at the different DO schools (pics preferred).

That's a good point. I don't remember seeing any female robotic patients!

 

[JaggerPlate]

I don't remember seeing any female robotic patients!

... yet.

 

[Bacchus]

That's a good point. I don't remember seeing any female robotic patients!

PCOM has Noelle . She gives birth!

 

[rkaz]

poppycock!

Ok, I give up... I think I'll just have to join the 'useless posts' party.

 

[rkaz]

Pro: giving massages to pretty female med students is part of the curriculum.

Awww... what happens to the chubby chicks? Nobody wants to massage them? Guess I'll have to get my butt back to the gym now...

 

[JaggerPlate]

Awww... what happens to the chubby chicks? Nobody wants to massage them? Guess I'll have to get my butt back to the gym now...

Chubby chicks have their place ....

"It's like riding a moped ... fun, until your friends catch you."








Please don't ban me ... we are all god's children (in the dark).


Damn, okay please don't ban me

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Chubby chicks have their place ....

"It's like riding a moped ... fun, until your friends catch you."








Please don't ban me ... we are all god's children (in the dark).


Damn, okay please don't ban me

On that note I am going to bed.

 

[DrFraud]

If you are looking for pro/cons between chooosing MD and DO, just do a search and youll find many hits with useless debates. Really the ONLY con about going DO is if you are dead set on a super compettiive specialty, you will have trouble matching into an MD residency. Thats just the way it is. But keep in mind there are also DO residencies so if arent worried about the MD residency, then that fact wont matter.

If you are looking for pros and cons for specific DO schools, this thread will be useful.

I think this is really bad advice to give an applicant.

If someone is torn between MD and DO, consider very strongly the differences in philosophy between the two in comparison to your own. While there is a good deal of unanimity amongst MDs regarding Tx protocols for medical conditions and medical philosophy, there is a spectrum of opinions amonst DOs that vary; some that are similar to Chiropractors and alternative medicine docs and others have a view more in line with MDs. If an applicant is considering the DO route, a personal philosophy that is in line with what is core to the DO is probably a good idea otherwise, as a DO, you will be a practitioner who rejects what a DO is all about.

Your decision should not be about where you might or might not get a better residency, it should be about what you believe regarding patient care and matching a route with your philosophy.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I think this is really bad advice to give an applicant.

If someone is torn between MD and DO, consider very strongly the differences in philosophy between the two in comparison to your own. While there is a good deal of unanimity amongst MDs regarding Tx protocols for medical conditions and medical philosophy, there is a spectrum of opinions amonst DOs that vary; some that are similar to Chiropractors and alternative medicine docs and others have a view more in line with MDs. If an applicant is considering the DO route, a personal philosophy that is in line with what is core to the DO is probably a good idea otherwise, as a DO, you will be a practitioner who rejects what a DO is all about.

Your decision should not be about where you might or might not get a better residency, it should be about what you believe regarding patient care and matching a route with your philosophy.

Honestly, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Modern Osteopathic medical schools teach western medicine with additional (not integrated) lessons in manual manipulation. The 'we treat the whole patient' slogan is just that ... an AOA slogan that attempts to keep a separation between physicians. I highly doubt any respectable Osteopathic med student would claim that they treat patients differently than MDs because MDs only treat the disease, not the whole patient, or that they have had any training that equates to a better bedside manner or ANY type of holistic approach. You're argument has validity to a student contemplating attending a 'college of osteopathy' in the early 1900s, not a pre-MEDICAL student considering a college of osteopathic MEDICINE for physician training. You're comments borderline trolling on these forums.

 

[Phenol312]

Someone call for Dio?

...oh...a D.O.

well...nvm. Continue.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

This sort of goes back to the argument of cost, but I'm just wondering, does CA have a state DO school?

 

[Boges]

I think this is really bad advice to give an applicant.

If someone is torn between MD and DO, consider very strongly the differences in philosophy between the two in comparison to your own. While there is a good deal of unanimity amongst MDs regarding Tx protocols for medical conditions and medical philosophy, there is a spectrum of opinions amonst DOs that vary; some that are similar to Chiropractors and alternative medicine docs and others have a view more in line with MDs. If an applicant is considering the DO route, a personal philosophy that is in line with what is core to the DO is probably a good idea otherwise, as a DO, you will be a practitioner who rejects what a DO is all about.

Your decision should not be about where you might or might not get a better residency, it should be about what you believe regarding patient care and matching a route with your philosophy.

What are you talking about? I've had a lot of exposure to both allo and osteo physicians and surgeons and have never seen this difference. I'd really like to know where on earth you came up with this.

As a matter of fact, The biggest alternative medicine quack I know is an M.D. Neurologist. I have yet to meet a D.O. who thinks that they are all about alternative/chiropractic medicine.

There are quacks on both sides but I have yet to see any indication that there are more who have a D.O. degree.

I can only think you are full of it.

 

[Boges]

Re my previous comments: As I read through this users posts (DrFraud), I realize that I took the bate.

 

[Boges]

This sort of goes back to the argument of cost, but I'm just wondering, does CA have a state DO school?

No state D.O. school for California. However, the University of California Irvine School of Medicine has a very interesting history.

 

[cliquesh]

Do you believe the stuff you say DrFraud or do you just say it to start a debate? I'm just curious.

 

[DrFraud]

Honestly, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Modern Osteopathic medical schools teach western medicine with additional (not integrated) lessons in manual manipulation. The 'we treat the whole patient' slogan is just that ... an AOA slogan that attempts to keep a separation between physicians. I highly doubt any respectable Osteopathic med student would claim that they treat patients differently than MDs because MDs only treat the disease, not the whole patient, or that they have had any training that equates to a better bedside manner or ANY type of holistic approach.

Medical students usually have a philosophy more in line with allopaths, but Osteopathic Faculty and Practicing Osteopaths can and do have philosophies that can can vary quite a bit from mainstream allopathic philosophy. When as students, you graduate, people will group you in not just with the students you went to school with but also the DOs who are practicing and advertising.

You're argument has validity to a student contemplating attending a 'college of osteopathy' in the early 1900s, not a pre-MEDICAL student considering a college of osteopathic MEDICINE for physician training. You're comments borderline trolling on these forums.

Giving applicants who are applying to school advice that differs from yours isn't trolling unless you are concerned about applicants getting different perspectives about their options. You are free to report my posts to moderators on this forum and we can discuss if I have violated the Service Agreement and Terms of Use, which would be a much more professional approach to dealing with a member who you have concerns about than trying to intimidate someone this way....intimidation of those with differing opinions is kindof the stuff that socialists and totalitarian governments do.

 

[DrFraud]

Do you believe the stuff you say DrFraud or do you just say it to start a debate? I'm just curious.

yes I do, otherwise I wouldn't waste my time typing......

 

[RySerr21]

I think this is really bad advice to give an applicant.

If someone is torn between MD and DO, consider very strongly the differences in philosophy between the two in comparison to your own. While there is a good deal of unanimity amongst MDs regarding Tx protocols for medical conditions and medical philosophy, there is a spectrum of opinions amonst DOs that vary; some that are similar to Chiropractors and alternative medicine docs and others have a view more in line with MDs. If an applicant is considering the DO route, a personal philosophy that is in line with what is core to the DO is probably a good idea otherwise, as a DO, you will be a practitioner who rejects what a DO is all about.

Your decision should not be about where you might or might not get a better residency, it should be about what you believe regarding patient care and matching a route with your philosophy.

The sentence that you bolded from my quotewasn't advice, it was a statement of opinion.

What about DO schools is in line with alternative medicine and/or chiropractics?

 

[DrFraud]

The sentence that you bolded from my quotewasn't advice, it was a statement of opinion.

and the comments that I wrote were stated opinions

What about DO schools is in line with alternative medicine and/or chiropractics?

please read my subsequent post that replys to JaggerPlate to address your second question.

 

[RySerr21]

and the comments that I wrote were stated opinions

I could care less about your opinion. Thats not I was talking about. You stated that I gave bad advice (and you bolded a part of my post), but I did not give any advice regarding choosing to go MD or DO, hence my confusion and my annoyance with you in general.

 

[DrFraud]

If you are looking for pro/cons between chooosing MD and DO, just do a search and youll find many hits with useless debates. Really the ONLY con about going DO is if you are dead set on a super compettiive specialty, you will have trouble matching into an MD residency. Thats just the way it is. But keep in mind there are also DO residencies so if arent worried about the MD residency, then that fact wont matter.

If you are looking for pros and cons for specific DO schools, this thread will be useful.

I could care less about your opinion. Thats not I was talking about. You stated that I gave bad advice (and you bolded a part of my post), but I did not give any advice regarding choosing to go MD or DO, hence my confusion and my annoyance with you in general.

The first post you wrote seems to compare MD and DO routes, but maybe it's just how I am reading it.

 

[RySerr21]

I'm still waiting for the part where I give advice about going MD vs DO. The OP asked for the pros and cons of going DO. THATS EXACTLY what i gave him/her. I started off by saying that there are many pointless debates that could be found easily by doing a search. I then stated the only CON that I commonly come across.

Advice would sound like this: "Hey, you should go DO because of...." or "Hey, you should go MD because of....."

The OP wasnt even asking for advice on where to apply or attend, he/she was just asking for pros and cons.

 

[DrFraud]

I'm still waiting for the part where I give advice about going MD vs DO. The OP asked for the pros and cons of going DO. THATS EXACTLY what i gave him/her. I started off by saying that there are many pointless debates that could be found easily by doing a search. I then stated the only CON that I commonly come across.

Advice would sound like this: "Hey, you should go DO because of...." or "Hey, you should go MD because of....."

The OP wasnt even asking for advice on where to apply or attend, he/she was just asking for pros and cons.

Your opinions are a form of advice. Trying to distinguish between the two is hairsplitting and it totally pointless in comparison to the OPs concerns about whether he/she should consider becoming a DO.

 

[spicedmanna]

Opinions, especially uneducated and unsupported ones, are of little value to making a decision of this nature, particularly on a relatively anonymous forum where we may not have a good idea of the primary source's credibility or credentials to speak on the subject at hand. The wise pre-medical student will take what he reads here with a grain of salt and take it upon himself to research the question using known and credible sources, developing his own informed opinion.

 

[RySerr21]

Your opinions are a form of advice. Trying to distinguish between the two is hairsplitting and it totally pointless in comparison to the OPs concerns about whether he/she should consider becoming a DO.

If you want to get technical with it, the idea that DOs have trouble matching into highly highly competitive ROAD, MD residencies is NOT an opinion. Look at the numbers from the NRMP. I dont know too much about anesthesia and DOs getting into MD residenceis, from what ive learned recently gas isnt as competitive as people think.

So, the only opinion i gave during my original post is that the debates on the pros/cons of going DO are useless. This conversation definitely falls into that category.

 

[cliquesh]

You know how many DO's applied for ACGME othro last year? It was less than 30, but I cant find the exact number.

 

[DrFraud]

So, the only opinion i gave during my original post is that the debates on the pros/cons of going DO are useless. This conversation definitely falls into that category.

I think we have found some common ground here....

 

[RySerr21]

You know how many DO's applied for ACGME othro last year? It was less than 30, but I cant find the exact number.

Nope, I do not know that info. But i'd be willing to bet its in large part due to the many DO ortho residencies available (something else I said in my original post). I dont really know tho.

 

[dozitgetchahi]

If someone is torn between MD and DO, consider very strongly the differences in philosophy between the two in comparison to your own. While there is a good deal of unanimity amongst MDs regarding Tx protocols for medical conditions and medical philosophy, there is a spectrum of opinions amonst DOs that vary; some that are similar to Chiropractors and alternative medicine docs and others have a view more in line with MDs. If an applicant is considering the DO route, a personal philosophy that is in line with what is core to the DO is probably a good idea otherwise, as a DO, you will be a practitioner who rejects what a DO is all about.

For all the grief this guy has been getting, I'd just like to point out that this statement isn't completely untrue. In all honesty, there's often a spectrum of "unofficial" medical philosophies expressed within both the MD and DO realms; just as there are MDs who posess a more "alternative" medical perspective and integrate alternative treatment modalities into their practices (i.e., Dr. Andrew Weill), there are in fact DOs who utilize OMM almost exclusively and/or have qualifications in other alternative medicine modalities such as naturopathy. While it is in fact true that most DOs don't even really utilize OMM and act almost exactly like MDs, there certainly groups of both MDs and DOs that take an "alternative" perspective on medicine.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Medical students usually have a philosophy more in line with allopaths, but Osteopathic Faculty and Practicing Osteopaths can and do have philosophies that can can vary quite a bit from mainstream allopathic philosophy. When as students, you graduate, people will group you in not just with the students you went to school with but also the DOs who are practicing and advertising.

You get a lot of exposure to 'practicing osteopaths' in the Caribbean?? Again, everything you say is unfounded conjecture. You have failed to provide one piece of evidence for anything you've said.

Giving applicants who are applying to school advice that differs from yours isn't trolling unless you are concerned about applicants getting different perspectives about their options.

I welcome all advice to future applicants ... however, persistent, unfounded opinion stated as advice is harmful. Once again, you have absolutely nothing to validate what you say. You're a medical student in the Caribbean with nothing to suggest you've observed DOs in the work place, applied to DO schools, anything of that nature. You're opinions, are thinly veiled and seem to only arise in threads that compare DO schools to Caribbean schools.

You are free to report my posts to moderators on this forum and we can discuss if I have violated the Service Agreement and Terms of Use,

I will, don't worry.

which would be a much more professional approach to dealing with a member who you have concerns about than trying to intimidate someone this way....intimidation of those with differing opinions is kindof the stuff that socialists and totalitarian governments do.

These absurd, dramatic comparisons do absolutely nothing but make you look foolish. A few posts ago, Osteopathic Medicine was the failing American car Industry, I was the closed minded American hating foreign products, and F-MDs were the Toyotas. Now I am a socialist because I call you out on trolling in forums. I'd suggest trying to keep these childish rants to a minimum if you intend on commenting further in these forums.

 

[rkaz]

Jagger... fyi, Caribbean students do their 3rd/4th year clinicals in the US, as well as their residencies. So yes, they do have exposure to the same people that US students are exposed to.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Jagger... fyi, Caribbean students do their 3rd/4th year clinicals in the US, as well as their residencies. So yes, they do have exposure to the same people that US students are exposed to.

ughhh god, I'm well aware. However, I doubt that in the 3 months he's been doing clinicals he's witness numerous practicing DOs and DO residents/interns, nor did I read one single piece of evidence/even a personal experience to verify.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

No state D.O. school for California. However, the University of California Irvine School of Medicine has a very interesting history.

What's the part that is interesting about UCI?

Edit: Ah, I see. My info is from wiki though.

 

[DrFraud]

The amount of energy you spend trying to diminish DOs belies the confidence you have in your opportunities as a Caribbean medical student.

News Flash:
Your one-man DO-smear campaign isn't going to make matching as an IMG any easier.

First, I am not trying to smear DOs and second, believe me when I say this, I'm not going to have any difficulty at all during the Match. Like Spicemanna, I think it is very important for applicants to do their own research.

I am sorry that you see my counter-opinions as smear but making such a remark is really the easy way to try and silence or discredit someone who makes a statement you disagree with. I don't understand why it's such a bad thing to speak of DO philosophy and discuss it instead of trying to sweep it under the carpet.....

My comments are NOT intended for current DO students but rather for DO applicants and they could be considered helpful to useless depending upon how much research an applicant has done on DO philosophy. If you disagree with me about my statements regarding DO then maybe you can in your own words describe the the core philosophies of DOs and what it means to be a DO Osteopathic physician.

Regardless of your opinions about DO philosophy, I am sure you will agree with me that an applicant should have personal beliefs about medicine that are at least somewhat consistent with what is core about being a DO.

 

[hopefuldoc87]

You know Dr. Fraud, for a Caribbean MD student, you sure are in the pre-osteo forums alot. This is my complete "opinion", and take it as such, but it seems as if you are very bent on justifying your decision to go the MD route over the DO route. Maybe you are just a really, really nice guy, and decide to go back to the pre-osteo forums to tell DO students that DO is bad/not as good as going carib-MD (which anyone who reads your posts can take away from them). Or maybe you feel a sense of subconscious regret for going Caribbean over DO, and feel the need to regurgitate what most pre-meds in America think before actually doing research into the profession.

Now everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I'm sure you've done your "fair" share of research on DO's, but don't you think that those who are on the DO path know a little more than a Caribbean MD student? Now rysser said that as a DO, it is harder to match into the super-uber competetive MD residencies (hell its hard as hell to match into those DO residencies). But, if you look at the shear numbers, over 60% of DO's match into MD residencies, which mean they still do match into MD residencies, just not the super competitive ones. So you can't say rysser was wrong in what he said, as he was saying that was his major "con" of going the DO route.

Your rant about how most DO's practice a philosophy similar to chiropractors/alternative doctors is a wild claim from someone who is not in DO school, or related to the profession.

 

[DrFraud]

You know Dr. Fraud, for a Caribbean MD student, you sure are in the pre-osteo forums alot. This is my complete "opinion", and take it as such, but it seems as if you are very bent on justifying your decision to go the MD route over the DO route. Maybe you are just a really, really nice guy, and decide to go back to the pre-osteo forums to tell DO students that DO is bad/not as good as going carib-MD (which anyone who reads your posts can take away from them). Or maybe you feel a sense of subconscious regret for going Caribbean over DO, and feel the need to regurgitate what most pre-meds in America think before actually doing research into the profession.

I'm studying EKGs right now so this is actually an interesting discussion for me. I really don't have to justify my decision to anyone, as I am very pleased with the choices I have made thus far......and have had absolutely no regrets.

Now everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I'm sure you've done your "fair" share of research on DO's, but don't you think that those who are on the DO path know a little more than a Caribbean MD student?

Actually, some applicants, probably yes, and some, I have to say no. I have met 5th year residents and practicing physicians who were very unhappy and have told me that they wished they understood more about what they were making decisions about.....and from this I try to do thorough research and I encourage others to do the same.

Now rysser said that as a DO, it is harder to match into the super-uber competetive MD residencies (hell its hard as hell to match into those DO residencies). But, if you look at the shear numbers, over 60% of DO's match into MD residencies, which mean they still do match into MD residencies, just not the super competitive ones. So you can't say rysser was wrong in what he said, as he was saying that was his major "con" of going the DO route.

And my opinion, and I will restate it once again to avoid confusion, is that considering residency options for a highly competitive spot is a bad reason to select going down the DO path or to take other routes, including the allopathic route. My opinion is that an applicants personal philosophy about medicine and how it relates to those who practice osteopathic medicine should be a far more important a consideration for someone who is thinking about becoming a DO.

Your rant about how most DO's practice a philosophy similar to chiropractors/alternative doctors is a wild claim from someone who is not in DO school, or related to the profession.

Some do, some not so much. My opinions have been supported by other members on this forum so I am not alone in my thinking.