Significant delays in ASD diagnosis and treatment

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Yep- I'm currently booking assessments in Feb. 2023. I struggle to see why there is such a lack of psychologists who do this. As a sustainable business, purely doing ASD evals only became viable less than a decade ago, so there's that. I recognize my biases, butbi find it to be a really fun job which includes blowing bubbles, flipping rubber duckies in the air, and playing with play doh as a regular part of the empirically validated assessment. Pay and benefits are very good. No administrative responsibilities! The clients are universally adorable, and their families are very appreciative. I get to regularly work with a multidisciplinary team of EI providers who have done the hard work of preparing the families for what to expect. Yeah- there's still reports to write and that's always a bit tedious, but they're not overly complicated. I suppose it's a bit repetitive, but I like the lack of surprises and potential for chaos. You do occasionally make a parent cry, but you learn to address this kindly and supportively ( and it happens way less than you'd think). The clients do regularly poop in their pants and stink up your office, but the effects of this have been greatly reduced by our ongoing mask mandate. I can see where it may not be what comes to mind when people think "psychologist," so maybe people with an interest in working with toddlers are more likely to go a different direction. There's some gender stuff too, as there are very few cis males who do this.

I'm curious as to what you all see as reasons for this lack of access to ASD diagnosticians.

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Maybe a lack of training opportunities at the practicum/pre-internship/internship level? And once you “specialize” in something and go through years of school/training, it’s difficult to pivot mid-career and decide to take a ton of time/money to train in something different.

Like for example, if a mid-career psychologist wanted to learn to do forensic competency evaluations with no prior experience, it would take a lot more training than a few CEU’s. So if they didn’t already have this training, or something in a relevant area,’it would take a lot to obtain this training and then also seek supervision/consultation for some time.
 
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The article also mentioned insurance- do all insurance cover an autism evaluation when performed by a psychologist or is it medical providers only?
 
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For me, this is just totally out of my wheelhouse and beyond competency-related issues, I can’t see myself wanting to switch populations and clinical focus that drastically if I were to leave my VA gig.
 
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While I have some decent experience andî exposure to autism eval and diagnosis, it still feels outside of my comfort zone. I think it is something where if there was a concerted effort to train ppl specifically on autism eval (to include the ADOS), it might be more realistic to expand access.
 
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I suspect it may just be that there aren't a lot of labs in graduate programs doing this type of work? My program had one, and all of those (former) students have gone on to jobs working with kiddos with various neurodevelopmental disorders. But I don't know how many labs in general there are that focus on ASD. I should know this, but I also think there may be fewer child than adult psychologists to begin with...?

And as others have said above, I think it's a steeper learning curve to take this on mid-career for someone who's had little to no training in it previously than it is to learn a new psychotherapy technique/modality. So by the times folks finish their formal training, they probably feel locked out of this unless it's something they've done previously and/or they have a good bit of time (and money) available to pursue adequate training and supervision.

I'd be surprised if we don't start seeing an influx into this field, though. Including many of the professional programs starting to tout new ASD tracks, essentially akin to what happened with neuropsychology a decade or so ago.
 
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Same. I would not feel comfortable doing this sort of assessment. I don't even do therapy with kids, lol.
 
Yeah- It would be a big change mid-career for someone used to working with adults. I did, however, specialized in Gerontoloy as a grad student, to the point of being the student chair of the AABT (now ABCT) Sig on Behaivoral Therapy and Aging and doing my dissertation in an elderly care facility. It came down to pre-doctoral internship. I interviewed at multiple VAs, with a smattering of more child/school focused sites. I got my first choice (school consult major, adult outpatient minor), with post-doc in a private school for ASD. My career path could've been very different!

I'd take a clinician well-trained in adult assessment, with a strong understanding of the application of standardized and criterion based testing to diagnosis over a poorly trained clinician who has experience with kids. If you can do adult testing, the kid ones are generally easier- and more fun- to conduct (though there is a LOT more "stuff" to keep organized and to clean afterwards!), and differential diagnoses is much easier. There's not as much "interpretation", but I see that as a positive.

I was more curious about the relative lack of new blood, and I do think it comes down to training porgrams/labs having not yet caught up with the demand (and increased financial viability) of ASD only clinics.
 
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Even within labs with an autism focus, not everyone will have aligned research and clinical interests. I have a decent amount of experience with autism assessment from grad school in a research capacity but very little in a clinical setting. I honestly think I would enjoy a job where at least part of my time was spent on autism assessment, but I don't have the clinical/postdoc training to set me up for a neuropsych role or board certification, so I feel like I wouldn't have the appropriate credentials (although I know there are many people in private practice who aren't board certified and do autism assessment), and I'm sure I have blind spots with my current level of training in that area.
 
Even within labs with an autism focus, not everyone will have aligned research and clinical interests. I have a decent amount of experience with autism assessment from grad school in a research capacity but very little in a clinical setting. I honestly think I would enjoy a job where at least part of my time was spent on autism assessment, but I don't have the clinical/postdoc training to set me up for a neuropsych role or board certification, so I feel like I wouldn't have the appropriate credentials (although I know there are many people in private practice who aren't board certified and do autism assessment), and I'm sure I have blind spots with my current level of training in that area.
I can see this as a concern. When we onboard a new clinician (post-doc or licenced/eligible) we assume that there will be some training necessary, particularly on the specific tests, and we build in a few months of supervised administrations and report feedback, with lower intial billable requirements. That's really the only way to do it. In my case, there's not a test I regularly do today (e.g., ADOS, Bayley) that I had any graduate school training or experience with. I did, however, have a class and clinic team in more general child assessment (cognitive, psycho-ed, adaptive functioning). I think the more specialized your work gets, the more you have to expect that you'll need to do some staff training. As mentioned before, the specific tests aren't all that difficult, and good training in general psych assessment (both standardized and criterion-based) is generally what we are looking for. It also helps if you aren't afraid of little kids. It's better for you if you actually like them, but it works for us if at least you don't run out of the room in fear.

ETA- None of the psychologists in my organization are board certified in neuropsych, and we don't refer to ourselves as "neuropsychologists." Most of us are also BCBA's/Licensed ABA Therapists, but not all of us, and that's not related to our assessment roles.
 
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The typical "real world" cases are messy, whether it be bc of co-occuring (congenital) conditions, fast and loose dx from other professions, limited resources, etc.

In reality, I think there are opportunities to train up certain clinicians, but I wouldn't want it to proliferate for the wrong reasons....we see enough of that w generalists who want to increase their revenue so they "do neuropsych on the side". There is a middle ground in there somewhere.

I wonder if consultation (or maybe weekly case review like surgeons do for particular types of surgery) w a peds neuropsych could help bridge the gap?
 
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At my prior job at an outpatient clinic in a hospital system our psychologists trained in autism assessment were getting burnt out on doing ASD evals. There were issues with getting appropriate referrals and they felt like there was not a good way to triage priority for assessment (e.g. they were getting a lot referrals that seemed to be pretty clearly not autism upon even a cursory evaluation, but they still took up an initial assessment slot).

Additionally, once a psychologist made it known that they could do ASD evals, they were flooded by requests for testing (e.g. being asked to do them as personal favors to colleagues, parents trying to get around the referral process by asking for a therapy referral and then making the ASD eval request once they were established with the provider, etc.). They then felt pigeon-holed as the "autism psychologists" and had difficulty balancing the demand for testing with their other clinical interests and specialties.

Personally, I have avoided getting specialized ASD assessment training, even though I would actually like to gain competency with ASD assessments, in large part because I didn't want them to take over my practice or feel the pressure to do them just because I would have the training to do so.
 
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School psychology is really at the front lines of ASD diagnosis and treatment! I've gotten flack for this, but we simply are the neurodevelopmental disorder specialists at this point and clinical child psychology (all off the like 6 six programs nationally) is doing a horrible job in the training in the assessment/treatment of these conditions and exposure to the neurodevelopmental disorders.

We're kind of the red headed step child of the field, but there are a ton of good EdS/Master+cert level school psychologists (I think there are lik 40k in NASP) out there on front lines doing child find and getting kids into developmental preschools where they will start therapies in as little as 40 days after identified (as tasked by IDEA). But, they're completely overlooked/underfunded/overworked/underpaid.

In my state, the psychologists doing the majority of ASD assessments are licensed psychologists with doctorates in school psychology from accredited programs. Many also hold a BCBA credential.

A lot of psychologists want to do more than just ASD evals - like therapy. I specialize in parent management training and trained under a world renowned dyslexia researcher. Furthermore, job postings aren't helping. I routinely see postings that say like "8 to 10 ASD evals per week" and no licensed school psych would find that very rewarding. A lot of school psychologists are burned out on the gatekeeping role.

I feel like the dam is close to overflowing and we're at peak autism. HALF of the ASD assessment requests I get, I do not do a full eval on because I can screen them out at the initial meeting.

Regarding treatment, my state has very high ABA reimbursement rates. Even so, we can't keep an RBT longer than like two years. The good ones become BCBAs and the other ones wash out. I imagine the that field is being hit hard by the great resignation. Outlook looks more dire because of the tsunami of poorly dxd ASD kids out there.

As far as neuropsych taking over- they're already swamped and many of them suck at ASD (tend to be prone to over diagnosing, if they will even assess for ASD). I've got a bone to pick to pediatric neuropsychology, but now is not the time for that.

BTW - autism can be hard to diagnose. But,more often than not, its like you know it when you see it and "this evaluation is just jumping through the hoops to document symptoms and my report will be the key that unlocks ABA." Things get messy when access to services/grants from the state/funding are tied to individual diagnoses. Like in my state, you get way more with ASD dx and can geven get a ton of cash from the state, so now you've incentivized an autism diagnosis.
 
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At my prior job at an outpatient clinic in a hospital system our psychologists trained in autism assessment were getting burnt out on doing ASD evals. There were issues with getting appropriate referrals and they felt like there was not a good way to triage priority for assessment (e.g. they were getting a lot referrals that seemed to be pretty clearly not autism upon even a cursory evaluation, but they still took up an initial assessment slot).

Additionally, once a psychologist made it known that they could do ASD evals, they were flooded by requests for testing (e.g. being asked to do them as personal favors to colleagues, parents trying to get around the referral process by asking for a therapy referral and then making the ASD eval request once they were established with the provider, etc.). They then felt pigeon-holed as the "autism psychologists" and had difficulty balancing the demand for testing with their other clinical interests and specialties.

Personally, I have avoided getting specialized ASD assessment training, even though I would actually like to gain competency with ASD assessments, in large part because I didn't want them to take over my practice or feel the pressure to do them just because I would have the training to do so.
This is my life right now lol. It's a blessing and a curse. I have a ton of job security and find autism fascinating. I screen out as many as is appropriate. But, like the kid still needs testing in a lot of settings (usually my biggest concern is ID/ADHD). You know what stokes me up the most about this stuff tho. I love getting a kid diagnosed early, well before the average age in my state. Basically, you said better than I did. We had a new psych start a couple of years ago, and I advised them to not do the ADOS-2 training because the floodgates will open.
 
This is my life right now lol. It's a blessing and a curse. I have a ton of job security and find autism fascinating. I screen out as many as is appropriate. But, like the kid still needs testing in a lot of settings (usually my biggest concern is ID/ADHD). You know what stokes me up the most about this stuff tho. I love getting a kid diagnosed early, well before the average age in my state. Basically, you said better than I did. We had a new psych start a couple of years ago, and I advised them to not do the ADOS-2 training because the floodgates will open.
Interesting. This is not the case in my clinic, as I rarely get an innappropriate referral. That's probably because I only see new kids under 4, and really am known as just an "Autism Diagnostic Clinic". Also could be that most of my referrals come through early intervention providers, and they all have so many kids where the dx is relatively clear, and innapropriate referrals only hurt their families with real need. We took any mention of other diagnoses, "neuropsych evals", etc. out of our materials over the past few years, but even before then it wasn't a big concern.

As to some of your other replies/comments-
Yeah, I see more training opportunities in school psych programs-the doctoral level, licensed kind, not the masters level ones (which is a very important field). Several of teh other psychologists in my agenc come from school pysch programs. Me and the others are clinical.

There's been large staffing issues on the ABA side of things. People leaving the field (still not comfortable going into homes). There's also been an influx of new provider companies. While it seems like that would be a good thing, it doesn't come with an icrease in staff in the general geapgraphic area. Where you used to have 200 people working for 3 agencies, you now have 200 people working for 10 agencies, with several in newer admin roles with less clinical hours.

Overtesting by pediatric neuropsychs/ psychologists is a huge concern. I've seen 30 page reports on a 4 year-old from some of the big name teaching hospitals. I guess if you give people a bunch of fancy tools they are going to use them, even if it means hammering a nail with the handle of screwriver (often after they've adequeately banged in in with the hammer).
 
Interesting. This is not the case in my clinic, as I rarely get an inappropriate referral. That's probably because I only see new kids under 4, and really am known as just an "Autism Diagnostic Clinic". Also could be that most of my referrals come through early intervention providers, and they all have so many kids where the dx is relatively clear, and inappropriate referrals only hurt their families with real need. We took any mention of other diagnoses, "neuropsych evals", etc. out of our materials over the past few years, but even before then it wasn't a big concern.

As to some of your other replies/comments-
Yeah, I see more training opportunities in school psych programs-the doctoral level, licensed kind, not the masters level ones (which is a very important field). Several of the other psychologists in my agency come from school psych programs. Me and the others are clinical.

There's been large staffing issues on the ABA side of things. People leaving the field (still not comfortable going into homes). There's also been an influx of new provider companies. While it seems like that would be a good thing, it doesn't come with an increase in staff in the general geographic area. Where you used to have 200 people working for 3 agencies, you now have 200 people working for 10 agencies, with several in newer admin roles with less clinical hours.

Overtesting by pediatric neuropsychs/ psychologists is a huge concern. I've seen 30 page reports on a 4 year-old from some of the big name teaching hospitals. I guess if you give people a bunch of fancy tools they are going to use them, even if it means hammering a nail with the handle of screwdriver (often after they've adequately banged in in with the hammer).
I bet the main reason you don't get an inappropriate referral is also because you live in a state that's got it's ****e together regarding the use of screening tools like the MCHAT, too.
 
I would not find doing one disorder assessment and almost all the same testing all day everyday to be engaging. Some do, and that's fine. But I think you need to really, really have a passion for it. Most psychologists who are actively practicing are wanting to do some treatment I imagine, and those that are assessment focused are, again, probably looking for more variety. Just my initial thoughts?

I have actually never liked writing Psychological Assessment reports at all unless the case is really interesting and/or there is some kind of larger nexus question involved that I can dig into.
 
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I would not find doing one disorder assessment and almost all the same testing all day everyday to be engaging. Some do, and that's fine. But I think you need to really, really have a passion for it. Most psychologists who actively practicing are wanting to some treatment I imagine, and those that are assessment focused are, again, probably looking for more variety. Just my initial thoughts?

I actually never have liked writing psychological testing/assessment reports at all unless the case is really interesting and/or there is some kind of larger nexus question involved that I can dig into.
Yeah- I totally get your points. I'm mid-career, and have had some crazy jobs, including with some insane agencies. I've also raised a couple of kids to adult. I'm content to have some predictability/monotony M-F, 9-6ish, and get my variety in life from the food I eat, beer/cocktails I drink, people I associate with, the fish I catch, and the cars I drive (well, maybe not the last one- a CRV, RAV-4, and Tacoma aren't too exciting!). I could do treatment if I wanted, and every now again I do so or see an "older" kid for an assessment, but this only reinforces why I prefer assessment with the toddlers. Respect to you guys who do the harder stuff everyday. When/if you're older/more tired send me a PM and we can find a mellower horse on which you can ride off into the sunset.
 
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Children's hospitals tend to divide clinics based on age range, and clinics for certain ages (typically adolescents and young adults) are less likely to be financially sustainable (the one at my hospital was closed because of that). Some interdisciplinary diagnostic evaluations are not covered by insurance so some hospitals are doing them pro bono for complex cases. RVUs credited for assessment cases were also reduced to force clinicians to shorten the time spent on assessment (some colleagues still want to spend more time, but that's on them). All these don't make it a nice/easy job. Hospitals tend to focus more on short-term and/or acute services rather than long-term ABA services (turnover at play here). And some pediatricians are not helping. Some just give an autism diagnosis to kids with a genetic disorder and global delay without taking into account their developmental level and you have to do a comprehensive autism evaluation because of that. Some just refer without understanding potential differential diagnosis.

There is also a disconnect between training programs and clinical placements. I don't think programs typically prepare students well for autism evaluation so it falls on clinical placements. Administration and coding can be very different from other standardized tests and can be a lot to handle simultaneously, and sometimes even those who are trained are not comfortable administering the ADOS (you are interacting, prompting, manipulating objects while having to take notes). I agree that school psych can potentially fill the gap, but many programs/supervisors may not be as ready to train school psychs for that yet. Some states also separate a medical diagnosis from an educational diagnosis so while you can access school services if eligible for IDEA, families still need to get a medical diagnosis from a pediatrician or licensed psychologist to get outside services. I have seen better resourced schools with different autism program depending on student functioning to provide services from ABA (low functioning) to SPED/counseling supports (high functioning).

There are different ways administrators in autism programs have tried to address this shortage: request for funding to create positions, doing intakes to triage, streamlining evaluations/having postdocs run their own clinics for "typical" autism cases, having SLPs do more of the evaluations (including the ADOS-2), doing separate evaluations (a briefer evaluation to give the diagnosis for services and then a more comprehensive evaluation as needed) etc. They have helped shorten the waitlist. I am not sure how much these practices have impacted quality of care, but at least the kids can get the services they need earlier.
 
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I did exactly one autism evaluation with a kiddo in graduate school and it was a great experience (supervisor was a Ph.D. level school psych). I'm not on that path currently, but I wouldn't rule it out if I were in full time clinical practice, especially if the need is there.
 
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Yeah- I totally get your points. I'm mid-career, and have had some crazy jobs, including with some insane agencies. I've also raised a couple of kids to adult. I'm content to have some predictability/monotony M-F, 9-6ish, and get my variety in life from the food I eat, beer/cocktails I drink, people I associate with, the fish I catch, and the cars I drive (well, maybe not the last one- a CRV, RAV-4, and Tacoma aren't too exciting!). I could do treatment if I wanted, and every now again I do so or see an "older" kid for an assessment, but this only reinforces why I prefer assessment with the toddlers. Respect to you guys who do the harder stuff everyday. When/if you're older/more tired send me a PM and we can find a mellower horse on which you can ride off into the sunset.
Only half way there, bud! We will get there though, I guess, lol

I have not been practicing, actively, for almost a year ago now. I am not missing it, actually. I guess I am in a different direction now? I really just like kayaking, golf, and (anything) history stuff for fun now.
 
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Only half way there, bud! We will get there though, I guess, lol

I have not been practicing, actively, for almost a year ago now. I am not missing it, actually. I guess I am in a different direction now? I really just like kayaking, golf, and (anything) history stuff for fun now.
What r u doing?
 
Yeah- It would be a big change mid-career for someone used to working with adults. I did, however, specialized in Gerontoloy as a grad student, to the point of being the student chair of the AABT (now ABCT) Sig on Behaivoral Therapy and Aging and doing my dissertation in an elderly care facility. It came down to pre-doctoral internship. I interviewed at multiple VAs, with a smattering of more child/school focused sites. I got my first choice (school consult major, adult outpatient minor), with post-doc in a private school for ASD. My career path could've been very different!

I'd take a clinician well-trained in adult assessment, with a strong understanding of the application of standardized and criterion based testing to diagnosis over a poorly trained clinician who has experience with kids. If you can do adult testing, the kid ones are generally easier- and more fun- to conduct (though there is a LOT more "stuff" to keep organized and to clean afterwards!), and differential diagnoses is much easier. There's not as much "interpretation", but I see that as a positive.

I was more curious about the relative lack of new blood, and I do think it comes down to training porgrams/labs having not yet caught up with the demand (and increased financial viability) of ASD only clinics.

It's funny, I started grad school with an interest in pediatric assessment/neuropsych and ended up in the geriatric/LTC/Home care end of things. I didn't mind assessing kids (though I ended up with some crazy ones), but the stability of the VA system and the perceived difficulties of matching as a student in one of the pediatric spots made my career shift the exact opposite way during internship and beyond. I wish that I could say there are a lot of good employment options in the geriatric area. There is a lot of work, but private equity has ruined the employment opportunities. Not sure I would be comfortable making such a shift at this point in my career. However, as a person with solid assessment training looking towards private practice maybe. Though, I feel I could build a solid community practice on dementia evals and caregiver support alone.
 
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Just jumping in to say I really do hope training programs (both clinical/counseling and school) trend toward setting up more opportunities in these areas for doctoral-level folks. I would hate to see this be an area of practice doctoral-level psychologists eschew (see: substance abuse for a long time), leading to other folks swooping in and filling the gap with potentially subpar training and methods.
 
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Just jumping in to say I really do hope training programs (both clinical/counseling and school) trend toward setting up more opportunities in these areas for doctoral-level folks. I would hate to see this be an area of practice doctoral-level psychologists eschew (see: substance abuse for a long time), leading to other folks swooping in and filling the gap with potentially subpar training and methods.
Eww - like yucky developmental pediatricians?
 
Eww - like yucky developmental pediatricians?
I'd hate to see the equivalent of a peer specialist end up doing evals to diagnose ASD, but could see that getting railroaded through state legislatures if the backlog is long enough, psychologists aren't vocal enough, and other folks have bigger lobbying budgets.
 
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Can you expand on this? This is the first time I have personally encountered shade being thrown at developmental pediatricians, but i am so not on the kiddo side of things so I am prepared to believe they earned it.
I'm curious as well. I think I've heard, in passing, stories of pediatricians throwing ASD labels about fairly freely, but I also don't work with kiddos and am far-removed from whatever may be happening.
 

Yep- I'm currently booking assessments in Feb. 2023. I struggle to see why there is such a lack of psychologists who do this. As a sustainable business, purely doing ASD evals only became viable less than a decade ago, so there's that. I recognize my biases, butbi find it to be a really fun job which includes blowing bubbles, flipping rubber duckies in the air, and playing with play doh as a regular part of the empirically validated assessment. Pay and benefits are very good. No administrative responsibilities! The clients are universally adorable, and their families are very appreciative. I get to regularly work with a multidisciplinary team of EI providers who have done the hard work of preparing the families for what to expect. Yeah- there's still reports to write and that's always a bit tedious, but they're not overly complicated. I suppose it's a bit repetitive, but I like the lack of surprises and potential for chaos. You do occasionally make a parent cry, but you learn to address this kindly and supportively ( and it happens way less than you'd think). The clients do regularly poop in their pants and stink up your office, but the effects of this have been greatly reduced by our ongoing mask mandate. I can see where it may not be what comes to mind when people think "psychologist," so maybe people with an interest in working with toddlers are more likely to go a different direction. There's some gender stuff too, as there are very few cis males who do this.

I'm curious as to what you all see as reasons for this lack of access to ASD diagnosticians.
reasons for lack of access that I see in our clinic (have not read article or many of the previous comments but we have been doing some digging in our area to consider this and the increase in disparity/inequity related to various factors):

1) most significantly, the severe absence of diagnosticians that take Medicaid. FFS, why is it so damn hard to get approved with Medicaid for someone in private practice (legit question- I'm not in PP. Would love insight. is it a combo of red tape plus some combo of insurance / reimbursement / ethics rules? Would it be within scope of ethics to say I can take x# Medicaid pts a month but the rest need to be otherwise ensured or private pay?) Anyway related to this- there is a good several-county area in our state that is mostly rural where there is only ONE facility that takes Medicaid and does a full ASD eval (as opposed to diagnosis by pediatrician etc where they do not administer cog/devo testing + ADOS/CARS/observational measure and thus local MCOs / insurances won't accept)

2) families often come to us after they get a school IEP categorization. The schools were basically deferring / not doing evals during most of COVID leading to delay downstream (on an adjacent note- I really wish schools would make it clear to families that a school IEP categorization does NOT fly for insurance and they need a medical diagnosis to get on the waitlist for transition age / adult services well before high school).

3a) overall delay during COVID in ppl getting routine care etc., or delaying / discontinuing speech etc which is where many of our referrals come from;

3b) and related lack of contact with people who would have maybe sat down with them to help problem solve things like transportation (many ppl with MEdicad are not aware of how to access Medicaid transport for such things) and childcare for that time

4) people lost jobs and therefore insurance

5) some clinics that were doing in person evals were not allowing a gaggle of siblings / extra people to accompany, and with kids out of school, lack of childcare was a barrier for many families

6) many clinicians working at reduced capacity for various reasons (cycling through peopel being out with COVID / family illness / childcare / being deployed within the hospital system to help with COVID / triaging and assisting with other emergent or crisis situations) thus slowing down rate of working through waitlist

7) increase in deferred diagnoses / provisional or rule outs because harder to get info from school, lack of socialization and exposure to life outside the home in general leading to crazy anxiety (or just..... not great things in general if home life / parenting fit not great) but Medicaid won't provide ASD specific services in our area in most cases for provisional dx after age 3

8) families going out of state to live with other family members for various reasons during covid while schools were closed / jobs lost etc, or movign and not updating their address with the clinics where they are on the waitlist - we got a lot of returned letters

9) decreased outreach especially to communities where english is second language; office staff working from home more but not allowed to use personal phone to make return calls and thus were using *69 which shows up as unlisted number and many people just straight up ignore, block/screen out such calls and don't have voice mail set up or VM is full

10) schools contracting with ****ty eval-mill type folks in our area that give a CBCL to parents and diagnose anything that is elevated with no explanation, feedback, utility to the process or the report which due to paucity of information is insufficient for insurance coverage of therapy adn the diagnoses are wrong 60% or more of the time (specific to 2 folks in our area that after noticing the pattern, actions have been taken)

11) initially in COVID a really huge delay in systems getting up to speed in getting telelehtalth systems in place, training on it, making sure woudl be covered by the various insurances for doing telehealth for interviews and (where suitable) telehealth evals (and getting trained on those protocols etc)
 
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Can you expand on this? This is the first time I have personally encountered shade being thrown at developmental pediatricians, but i am so not on the kiddo side of things so I am prepared to believe they earned it.

I'm curious as well. I think I've heard, in passing, stories of pediatricians throwing ASD labels about fairly freely, but I also don't work with kiddos and am far-removed from whatever may be happening.

First, I have personally trained under a wonderful developmental pediatrician as part of a fellowship in grad school. Life changing.

However, I had a very bad experience at a private practice of about five developmental pediatricians. Despite knowing the reputation (as an autism mill with a near monopoly on the developmental pediatrician market in my area), I still went there because "the money was too good."

While there, I saw some exploitative practices. The developmental pediatrician side was covered by insurance, but for psychology services - that was all private pay. They would try to skirt some of this by having the psychologists to brief testing in what they called combination evaluations (where the psychologist would administer a brief IQ, academic, adaptive test, etc. with a quick write up) and then the MD would bill under their insurance for the normal amount. For these combo evals, we'd get paid like 40-60 dollars. The most frustrating thing was that they had us giving a ADOS-2 (which takes like an hour) for $60! I felt underpaid for that and it was a little ethically grey for me.

Second, they had a near monopoly on the area - and would get patients in, and then refer them for very expensive out of pocket therapies/testing in house- some providers were OTs/nutritionists/etc and they would scare working class families into paying out of pocket stuff for that. I didn't feel good about myself while doing that. I felt it was a huge conflict of interest.

Next, I saw developmental pediatricians throwing out autism evals like candy and without sufficient testing/data to back it up - and felt like I couldn't contradict them. I got out real quick.

So, I my experience, there is a high variability amongst them. But, I do think developmental pediatricians tend to over diagnose autism, adhd, LDs, etc., with minimal data. There's also an issue of them giving ineffective amounts (like one tenth of the therapeutic threshold) of medications.
 
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reasons for lack of access that I see in our clinic (have not read article or many of the previous comments but we have been doing some digging in our area to consider this and the increase in disparity/inequity related to various factors):

1) most significantly, the severe absence of diagnosticians that take Medicaid. FFS, why is it so damn hard to get approved with Medicaid for someone in private practice (legit question- I'm not in PP. Would love insight. is it a combo of red tape plus some combo of insurance / reimbursement / ethics rules? Would it be within scope of ethics to say I can take x# Medicaid pts a month but the rest need to be otherwise ensured or private pay?) Anyway related to this- there is a good several-county area in our state that is mostly rural where there is only ONE facility that takes Medicaid and does a full ASD eval (as opposed to diagnosis by pediatrician etc where they do not administer cog/devo testing + ADOS/CARS/observational measure and thus local MCOs / insurances won't accept)

2) families often come to us after they get a school IEP categorization. The schools were basically deferring / not doing evals during most of COVID leading to delay downstream (on an adjacent note- I really wish schools would make it clear to families that a school IEP categorization does NOT fly for insurance and they need a medical diagnosis to get on the waitlist for transition age / adult services well before high school).

3a) overall delay during COVID in ppl getting routine care etc., or delaying / discontinuing speech etc which is where many of our referrals come from;

3b) and related lack of contact with people who would have maybe sat down with them to help problem solve things like transportation (many ppl with MEdicad are not aware of how to access Medicaid transport for such things) and childcare for that time

4) people lost jobs and therefore insurance

5) some clinics that were doing in person evals were not allowing a gaggle of siblings / extra people to accompany, and with kids out of school, lack of childcare was a barrier for many families

6) many clinicians working at reduced capacity for various reasons (cycling through peopel being out with COVID / family illness / childcare / being deployed within the hospital system to help with COVID / triaging and assisting with other emergent or crisis situations) thus slowing down rate of working through waitlist

7) increase in deferred diagnoses / provisional or rule outs because harder to get info from school, lack of socialization and exposure to life outside the home in general leading to crazy anxiety (or just..... not great things in general if home life / parenting fit not great) but Medicaid won't provide ASD specific services in our area in most cases for provisional dx after age 3

8) families going out of state to live with other family members for various reasons during covid while schools were closed / jobs lost etc, or movign and not updating their address with the clinics where they are on the waitlist - we got a lot of returned letters

9) decreased outreach especially to communities where english is second language; office staff working from home more but not allowed to use personal phone to make return calls and thus were using *69 which shows up as unlisted number and many people just straight up ignore, block/screen out such calls and don't have voice mail set up or VM is full

10) schools contracting with ****ty eval-mill type folks in our area that give a CBCL to parents and diagnose anything that is elevated with no explanation, feedback, utility to the process or the report which due to paucity of information is insufficient for insurance coverage of therapy adn the diagnoses are wrong 60% or more of the time (specific to 2 folks in our area that after noticing the pattern, actions have been taken)

11) initially in COVID a really huge delay in systems getting up to speed in getting telelehtalth systems in place, training on it, making sure woudl be covered by the various insurances for doing telehealth for interviews and (where suitable) telehealth evals (and getting trained on those protocols etc)
I do mostly medicaid evals - it wasn't for out clinics visit code (being a multispeciality clinic) that's added on to the reimbursement rate - testing simply wouldn't be economically possible. Private practices, because theyre not big clinics, do not get that facility code. Plus their are headaches about insurance further cutting down margin (hiring billing agency, time lost arguing with insurance, denied claims).
 
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I do mostly medicaid evals - it wasn't for out clinics visit code (being a multispeciality clinic) that's added on to the reimbursement rate - testing simply wouldn't be economically possible. Private practices, because theyre not big clinics, do not get that facility code. Plus their are headaches about insurance further cutting down margin (hiring billing agency, time lost arguing with insurance, denied claims).

Medicaid varies by state and I know @ClinicalABA has mentioned decent reimbursement in his state for Autism evals. My experience on the geriatrics side is the pay was terrible for both the states I worked in. Eval reimbursement was not quite as bad as the treatment reimbursement which was laughable compared to even medicare. At the end of the day, you could see anyone else and make better money. In a small scale practice, you just don't need to deal with the headaches.
 
reasons for lack of access that I see in our clinic (have not read article or many of the previous comments but we have been doing some digging in our area to consider this and the increase in disparity/inequity related to various factors):

1) most significantly, the severe absence of diagnosticians that take Medicaid. FFS, why is it so damn hard to get approved with Medicaid for someone in private practice (legit question- I'm not in PP. Would love insight. is it a combo of red tape plus some combo of insurance / reimbursement / ethics rules? Would it be within scope of ethics to say I can take x# Medicaid pts a month but the rest need to be otherwise ensured or private pay?) Anyway related to this- there is a good several-county area in our state that is mostly rural where there is only ONE facility that takes Medicaid and does a full ASD eval (as opposed to diagnosis by pediatrician etc where they do not administer cog/devo testing + ADOS/CARS/observational measure and thus local MCOs / insurances won't accept)

I'll pile on to @Sanman's comments. As they said, Medicaid reimbursement varies WILDLY. In some locales around me, in doing a neuropsych eval, you barely make enough to pay for the forms you use, so it's essentially pro bono work. It's very "meh" here for my stuff. Bottom line, in some places, this is the lowest paying source, and if a clinician had a schedule filled with a good portion of Medicaid pts, they'd have a hard time keeping the lights on, let alone anything left to take home to feed the family and pay the mortgage.
 
...Second, they had a near monopoly on the area - and would get patients in, and then refer them for very expensive out of pocket therapies/testing in house- some providers were OTs/nutritionists/etc and they would scare working class families into paying out of pocket stuff for that. I didn't feel good about myself while doing that. I felt it was a huge conflict of interest...
This stuff is dangerously close to being (if not actually so), a violation of kickback/Stark laws. Basically, if the referring physician or their family has a financial relationship with who they are refering to, it a problem with medicaid/care patients. Obvioulsy (hopefullly) its crooked for the nutritionist et. al to directly pay for referrals. It's also a problem if the referring physician benefits financially from the referral, such as pooled profits in the profits. My parent agency provides ABA services, and I have some financial incentives in my contract tied to the overall financial functioning of the parent agency. I am very careful to recommend "ABA services" in general, and not my specific agency. I don't even provide a list of ABA agencies- I direct them to there EI Service Coordinator for that if under 3, and to there insurance plan if over three. If i mention my agency at all, it's to let the family know explicitly that they don't need to choose us for ABA and that they should contact ALL agencies. When I was doing ABA therapy myself, I would not get involved with any cases I diagnosed.
 
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As an aside, Interqual explicitly allows Neuropsychological Testing for suspected Autism Spectrum Disorder (if certain other basic parameters are met), and rightfully so with all its potential mimics and/or comorbidities.

While I don't think Stroops and finger tapping would be informative for diagnosis or treatment planning here, I would wonder why insurances are not approving for at least reasonable amounts/units of Neuropsychological Testing, so long as the request is specific and tailored to the patient's particular issues, behaviors, developmental deficits, and history?
 
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As an aside, Interqual explicitly allows Neuropsychological Testing for suspected Autism Spectrum Disorder (if certain other basic parameters are met), and rightfully so with all its potential mimics and/or comorbidities.

While I don't think stroops and finger tapping would generally be all that informative for diagnosis or treatment planning, I would wonder why insurances are not approving for at least reasonable amounts/units of Neuropsychological Testing, so long as the request is specific and tailored to the patient's particular issues, behaviors, developmental deficits, and history?
I don't know what Interqual is. But, I do think a lot of testing psychologists do not use a very efficient or value added testing model. So I think there has been push back from insurances for superfluous/extended testing batteries. I think there was a time when psychs were incentivized to be inefficient and bill as many units as possible.
 
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As an aside, Interqual explicitly allows Neuropsychological Testing for suspected Autism Spectrum Disorder (if certain other basic parameters are met), and rightfully so with all its potential mimics and/or comorbidities.

While I don't think stroops and finger tapping would generally be all that informative for diagnosis or treatment planning, I would wonder why insurances are not approving for at least reasonable amounts/units of Neuropsychological Testing, so long as the request is specific and tailored to the patient's particular issues, behaviors, developmental deficits, and history?
I've never had a denial for anything I've requested for a first-time assessment or a re-eval after 12+ months. Either I'm not asking for enough or I'm not asking to do irrelevant nonsense testing. I rarley get denied repeat testing within a 12 month period.

I will only occasionally request/do some NEPPSY stuff, but that's primarily to augment language assessment (e.g., comprehension of instruction subtest), look at narrative memory (because preschoolers with ASD symptoms are often described as "bad reporters" of how their day went, so this usually will rule out memory as a big factor), and then the social scales (Affect Recognition and Theroy of Mind- thought the later ain't great and many kids do well on the former and can identify emotions in pictures, but stink at doing it in real life with actual faces). I need to have a really good reason to do more of the executive functioning stuff (e.g., inhibition, statue). Otherwise, stick to cog, language, and social communication. If you need fancier neuropsych stuff, I'm not your guy>
 
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I've never had a denial for anything I've requested for a first-time assessment or a re-eval after 12+ months. Either I'm not asking for enough or I'm not asking to do irrelevant nonsense testing. I rarley get denied repeat testing within a 12 month period.

I will only occasionally request/do some NEPPSY stuff, but that's primarily to augment language assessment (e.g., comprehension of instruction subtest), look at narrative memory (because preschoolers with ASD symptoms are often described as "bad reporters" of how their day went, so this usually will rule out memory as a big factor), and then the social scales (Affect Recognition and Theroy of Mind- thought the later ain't great and many kids do well on the former and can identify emotions in pictures, but stink at doing it in real life with actual faces). I need to have a really good reason to do more of the executive functioning stuff (e.g., inhibition, statue). Otherwise, stick to cog, language, and social communication. If you need fancier neuropsych stuff, I'm not your guy>
Agreed.

There are many pediatric neuropsychologists doing these evals too though, and so long as its not a "Well....I like to give stroops, Hulk-smash hand squeeze tests, and the leaning tower of Pizza to everyone I see" I think WISC/WAIS (certainly), NEPSY subtests, and few other things can certainly be justified/appropriate, depending on case specifics. My post was more a response to @WisNeuro saying that, in his experience, insurance wouldn't approve neuropsych testing codes for ASD evals, even if ID was listed as a rule-out or comorbid concern.
 
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I don't know what Interqual is. But, I do think a lot of testing psychologists do not use a very efficient or value added testing model. So I think there has been push back from insurances for superfluous/extended testing batteries. I think there was a time when psychs were incentivized to be inefficient and bill as many units as possible.
When you are issued a full or partial denial of a testing request, the denial letter is required to also cite the guiding Medical Necessity Criteria (MNC) set used to make the decision. Interqual is the most wide-spread MNC set in use for behavioral health outpatient service requests. MGC is another. ASAM is often the MNC set used for SUD service requests.

I'm not sure there was a "time for this" specifically? Or any specific incentive for this other than money, really? Psychologists are trained, by the nature of their programs, to look at/for things during testing/assessment that are "interesting" and/or statistical anomalies. However, many times, those things have no actual bearing on differentiating the patient's ultimate treatment choices or the ultimate outcome of those treatments/interventions.
 
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When you are issued a full or partial denial of a testing request, the denial letter is required to also cite the guiding Medical Necessity Criteria (MNC) set used to make the decision. Interqual is the most wide-spread MNC set in use for behavioral health outpatient service requests. MGC is another. ASAM is often the MNC set used for SUD service requests.

I'm not sure there was a "time for this" specifically? Or any specific incentive for this other than money, really? Psychologists are trained, by the nature of their programs, to look at/for things during testing/assessment that are "interesting" and/or statistical anomalies. However, many times, those things have no actual bearing on differentiating the patient's ultimate treatment choices or the ultimate outcome of those treatments/interventions.
Ah thanks for clarifying. I guess it’s always essential to examine and choose things that affect treatment choices and outcomes of those for the patient.
 
It's funny, I started grad school with an interest in pediatric assessment/neuropsych and ended up in the geriatric/LTC/Home care end of things. I didn't mind assessing kids (though I ended up with some crazy ones), but the stability of the VA system and the perceived difficulties of matching as a student in one of the pediatric spots made my career shift the exact opposite way during internship and beyond. I wish that I could say there are a lot of good employment options in the geriatric area. There is a lot of work, but private equity has ruined the employment opportunities. Not sure I would be comfortable making such a shift at this point in my career. However, as a person with solid assessment training looking towards private practice maybe. Though, I feel I could build a solid community practice on dementia evals and caregiver support alone.

this is my experience as well- thought I'd be a peds NP person, my dissertation is with a peds/adolescent sample in ASD.. and later this year I'm off to a NP internship with a good amount of gero, no peds opps. I was under the impression that eventual employment could be more fruitful with adult population (and yes also dissuaded by peds NP internship match competitiveness). now, reading through this thread... did I make a horrible mistake :rofl:
 
this is my experience as well- thought I'd be a peds NP person, my dissertation is with a peds/adolescent sample in ASD.. and later this year I'm off to a NP internship with a good amount of gero, no peds opps. I was under the impression that eventual employment could be more fruitful with adult population (and yes also dissuaded by peds NP internship match competitiveness). now, reading through this thread... did I make a horrible mistake :rofl:

Hey, lifespan positions exist. I started pure adult then became a peds NP. You can always make it back to the dark side!
 
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I also think the reduction of quality general assessment training in graduate programs, as has been discussed in other threads off and on, contributes to this problem. Thinking of my own program, all of the assessment training was outsourced or students were left to create our own practicum opportunities because our own faculty claimed they weren't qualified to train us in assessment (yes I still find this absurd). Something specialized like ASD assessment was never mentioned.

Now I'm on internship and my assessment supervisor has trained me on ASD assessment for children and adults. It is completely outside my primary interests, but is not work I mind. I would not mind doing these as a side hustle while on post doc, but I could not imagine doing these full time. I think to do these full time I'd have to like children more (since that's where most of the demand is) and what I enjoy most is when they leave so I can immerse myself in scoring, interpretation, and diagnosis.
 
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Somewhat related question for those of you with infinitely more experience in this area, and about which I'm woefully underinformed (and before I do my own deep dive into the literature): is autistic burnout something generally recognized by research and professionals in the field, or is it akin to a more undecided/controversial topic (e.g., RSD in ADHD perhaps, or less robustly, the various Tik-Tok crazes)?
 
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