The specialty mean yearly income from device and pharma industry for spine surgeons is $41,000 per year

[Ligament]

That is the mean.

Payments from medical device companies and pharma.

That means the average spine surgeon makes more in industry bribe money than the average american makes per year from their legitimate job.

The mean for pain doctors is :
$4650.00 per year.

Look it up here, see how corrupt your favorite doctors are:

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[lobelsteve]

Dollars for Docs

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$714 in 2018. Prolia ($239) beat out Nevro ($193) and Repatha ($178) for my top 3 lunchers.

 

[Ligament]

Those linkedin and instagram physician endorsements of device manufacturers makes so much sense. These are paid endorsements being monetized on social media.

 

[SommeRiver]

Jesus...No wonder one of our spine guys drives a Maclaren.

 

[drusso]

Dollars for Docs

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$714 in 2018. Prolia ($239) beat out Nevro ($193) and Repatha ($178) for my top 3 lunchers.

You beat me. $O$...

 

[Ferrismonk]

In 2018, my total is $189. Mostly Nevro, with $15 from Teva apparently.

 

[SommeRiver]

I'm at like 550, I guess bc of the DRG course?

 

[pmrmd]

$710.00 here. Some of these companies must be counting their marketing materials toward the total.

 

[DOctorJay]

$718 for me

Very interesting to search some of the LinkedIn frequent posters.


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[callmeanesthesia]

My fellowship was apparently partially supported by a grant from Medtronic, and that shows up on mine... kinda makes my stats look terrible.

 

[Ferrismonk]

And apparently someone I know is $18K...

 

[NJPAIN]

Mine shows a little over 2k. Majority is for trip to cadaver lab in Pittsburgh paid by Abbott. Some other stuff I don’t recognize. Money from StimWave???
Most enlightening is the link to the individual manufacturers. Lots of the same people appear near the top of each list. All young private practice docs.


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[paindoc007]

Mine shows a little over 2k. Majority is for trip to cadaver lab in Pittsburgh paid by Abbott. Some other stuff I don’t recognize. Money from StimWave???
Most enlightening is the link to the individual manufacturers. Lots of the same people appear near the top of each list. All young private practice docs.


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can you share that link for the individual manufacturers?

 

[NJPAIN]

I got there from the profile for individual docs. Search Tim Deer. A list of manufacturers who gave him money will come up. If you click on the manufacturer it will link to their profile and a list of doctors and institutions they paid.


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[drusso]

I got there from the profile for individual docs. Search Tim Deer. A list of manufacturers who gave him money will come up. If you click on the manufacturer it will link to their profile and a list of doctors and institutions they paid.


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Do you think this raises concerns about ASPN or other groups?

 

[NJPAIN]

Do you think this raises concerns about ASPN or other groups?

Just like any “industry”, a few people broker the power. You get taped on the shoulder by the right individual and you’re a “made man/gal”. I know nothing about ASPN except that it appears to be a run by a diverse group of very carefully selected young docs who really know how to use social media.


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[Ferrismonk]

Do you think this raises concerns about ASPN or other groups?

I had concerns about ASPN once I heard they had a diversity chair. Complete misalignment of where the focus should be.

 

[lobelsteve]

You beat me. $O$...

Not by much. And if subtract out the lunches I don’t eat for the PCP drug reps. Repatha? Vascepa?

 

[BobBarker]

Mine was like $1000. Most of that related to going to vflex training.

 

[thecentral09]

Mine was like $1000. Most of that related to going to vflex training.

Where did they do Vertiflex training?

 

[PMR2008]

Holy smokes

 

[paindoc007]

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Hot damn I’m jealous.

 

[DOctorJay]

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Be like Ken Foley. Get some patents.


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[BobBarker]

At the National Bioskills Lab in Dallas

 

[drusso]

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How much do you think those payments effect a person's credibility?

 

[clubdeac]

I apparently got paid $1000 in 2018 for travel and lodging... don't remember going to any cadaver courses that year but I guess I must've.... hmmm, wonder if they make this stuff up

 

[Ducttape]

$0. still upset about the $64 from 2014.

 

[georgiamd]

Isn't the way it works for the spine surgeons is they are contracted to "help design" a new screw. They come out, play around with it at a cadaver lab, make suggestions and then they are a designer and the stark laws etc are skirted?

 

[Espn123]

I had concerns about ASPN once I heard they had a diversity chair. Complete misalignment of where the focus should be.

what do you mean? Diversity seems like a good thing...

 

[Ferrismonk]

what do you mean? Diversity seems like a good thing...

Sure it is. It shouldn't be the focus of a society dedicated to pain and neuroscience though. I shouldn't matter what the color of your skin is, what religion you are, or however else you identify yourself. A society dedicated to pain and neuroscience should focus on pain and neuroscience, not what the membership looks like.

 

[NITRAS]

I apparently got paid $1000 in 2018 for travel and lodging... don't remember going to any cadaver courses that year but I guess I must've.... hmmm, wonder if they make this stuff up

I have like $17 on me for a time when I was in Italy on my own dime. . . So yeah, there is inaccuracies.

The better question is. . . who cares?

An ortho here gets like $0.8M-$1M per year from Striker. Still works like a dog. I suspect there are big outliers that drive up the mean.
I have better things to do than question the ethics of the people who work around me.

 

[Ducttape]

the ethics of these same people who work around you influence the treatment that patients get. there is a clear correlation between the gifts and money that are paid to these people with the treatments they will push onto their patients and convince other doctors to use.


that ethically doesn't bother you?

 

[Ducttape]

Association between payments from manufacturers of pharmaceuticals to physicians and regional prescribing: cross sectional ecological study

Objective To examine the association between payments made by the manufacturers of pharmaceuticals to physicians and prescribing by physicians within hospital referral regions. Design Cross sectional analysis of 2013 and 2014 Open Payments and Medicare Part D prescribing data for two classes...

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Types and Distribution of Payments From Industry to Physicians in 2015

This study uses Open Payments reporting data to describe industry payments to physicians in 2015 and to compare payments by physician specialty and sex.

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Association Between Academic Medical Center Pharmaceutical Detailing Policies and Physician Prescribing - PubMed

Implementation of policies at AMCs that restricted pharmaceutical detailing between 2006 and 2012 was associated with modest but significant reductions in prescribing of detailed drugs across 6 of 8 major drug classes; however, changes were not seen in all of the AMCs that enacted policies.

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/231741784_Do_Gifts_From_the_Pharmaceutical_Industry_Affect_Trust_in_Physicians