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I've been getting a vibe from a lot of SDNers that LECOM is the bottom of the barrel of DO schools. Yeah, there's a dress code. But what gives with all the hate?
I've been getting a vibe from a lot of SDNers that LECOM is the bottom of the barrel of DO schools. Yeah, there's a dress code. But what gives with all the hate?
tons of stuff but most is based on personal preference. PBL seems to me like a pain in the ass. Also from what I hear, the big selling point for the LECOM campuses is the cheap tuition. DMU pushes their huge alumni network, their state of the art facilities, the fact that 95% of the students end one of their top 3 residency choices. This is just an example but you contrast this to LECOM. I have heard from many people that when these issues, or any issues of this nature, are addressed, the standard response is "yeah but they have cheap tuition." Not a good selling point for me. Add this to the newness of a couple of the campuses, the lack of happiness from some of the students, and the dress code requirement even while studying in the library leaves much to be desired. I don't see many arguing that it is the bottom of the barrel, just not the top and all the schools that aren't at the top are going to have bad aspects.
that being said, there are many very happy students at LECOM, some of which probably chose LECOM over DMU (not saying DMU is t!ts but it is all i know). And there are tons of people with positive reviews of LECOM. Plus, the tuition is cheap!
noticed how Stok ended the reply with "plus the tuition is cheap!" there you go
plus, i hear that the reason why they have 100 % board passing rate is because they let you take the test only after you pass their pre board test, so duh!!!
also another reason why people or i don't like LecomEEEEEEEEEEE is because they don't follow aacomas guideline on down payment. its just insulting and rude.....
noticed how Stok ended the reply with "plus the tuition is cheap!" there you go
plus, i hear that the reason why they have 100 % board passing rate is because they let you take the test only after you pass their pre board test, so duh!!!
also another reason why people or i don't like LecomEEEEEEEEEEE is because they don't follow aacomas guideline on down payment. its just insulting and rude.....
I honestly don't even know why a 100% board pass rate is impressive. Who cares about passing their boards? I'm pretty sure I'll care about doing well and I will not be happy with simply passing.
I didn't like that you couldn't have bottled water in the library at the Bradenton campus.
Who cares about passing their boards? I'm pretty sure I'll care about doing well and I will not be happy with simply passing.
Someone only looking to try their hand at general practice?
noticed how Stok ended the reply with "plus the tuition is cheap!" there you go
plus, i hear that the reason why they have 100 % board passing rate is because they let you take the test only after you pass their pre board test, so duh!!!
also another reason why people or i don't like LecomEEEEEEEEEEE is because they don't follow aacomas guideline on down payment. its just insulting and rude.....
I honestly don't even know why a 100% board pass rate is impressive. Who cares about passing their boards? I'm pretty sure I'll care about doing well and I will not be happy with simply passing.
This... That's just one more thing to plan for and take time out of your day. Don't get me wrong I love looking good, but it would get to burden for me eventually.After almost two months two months of med school, I can't imagine wearing a shirt and tie everyday to class. I'd go crazy.
This... That's just one more thing to plan for and take time out of your day. Don't get me wrong I love looking good, but it would get to burden for me eventually.
Before going there I would have agreed regarding the board pass rate...but afterwards I would say its a good thing. Do you want to fail your boards ? Do you want to pay another >$600 and have a potential black mark on residency apps ? It may sound like a pain, but it is really their way of ensuring you graduate. They do the same thing for step two. That being said, some people do fail (in Erie...not sure if Bradenton is still 100% pass), but not a ton.
I have no intention of failing boards and I honestly don't understand why anyone would plan on needing that safety net.
Its not like you cant use prep material to gauge your progress. How is passing LECOM's mock test anymore of a guarantee than passing practice prep tests and getting passing averages on uworld?
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As someone accepted to LECOM, I was initially worried about stuff some people were saying about the school. Like OP, I was wondering about the school's rep from SDN. Also if you search FLEECOM on youtube you will find some vids made by disgruntled students.
LECOM is the largest medical school in the US (2000 total enrollment ). I think they do that in order to institute some sort of "quality control". Hypothetically, if all medical schools have the same failing %, numbers-wise LECOM will end up having a lot of marginal and board-failing students. The safety net is there for them I guess.
For the same reason, I think that's why LECOM is perceived as draconian and controlling. They need a lot of quality control to keep outside perceptions of their program positive (clinical preceptors, hospital affiliations, pre-meds, etc). As stated before, LECOM does face more scrutiny if more of their borderline students are out there. Although I see that their perception-altering strategy hasn't worked 100% for SDNers
I've spoken to a few LECOM grads and they are now in great places. Apart from a couple of complaints they generally had a positive experience. I've heard worse complaints from students in MD schools (in my personal experience).
I went to a lecom-b interview and just did not like it. Im not insulting the school and this is all my opinion but through the interview i felt like i didnt really matter, lol, just a cog in the machine. When i first walked in the building, I was welcomed by a rude security guard who was a jerk to the interviewees. Great way to start the day. I don't like mandatory attendance..come on im 23 years old paying for my tuition..this isnt high school. Dress code is just a big no no for me. And tbh I couldnt get into PBL. There wasnt really a personal touch,i felt like I just blended in and it didnt seem fun to me. You cant even have water bottles...like some of their polircies are real hardcore, i felt like they were half med school and half military school.
I understand what you're saying about LECOM's motivation (for lack of a better word) to have that board pre-test, but what I still don't understand is why students (or at least some people here) value it so highly.
Edit: It's like saying that a reason you go to a specific undergrad is they give you Kaplan MCAT prep which guarantees a higher score than your diagnostic.. Big deal.
Before going there I would have agreed regarding the board pass rate...but afterwards I would say its a good thing. Do you want to fail your boards ? Do you want to pay another >$600 and have a potential black mark on residency apps ? It may sound like a pain, but it is really their way of ensuring you graduate. They do the same thing for step two. That being said, some people do fail (in Erie...not sure if Bradenton is still 100% pass), but not a ton.
In terms of LECOM hate, a lot has to do with a premed sentiment that you should have all this freedom now that you're going to medical school. If a shirt and tie, mandatory attendance, and no food or drink in a classroom is that prohibitive, maybe medicine is not for you (or just go elsewhere). Once you get in to the real world of medicine you have to deal with things like quality measures, core measures, documenting at the appropriate level, corporate dress codes and codes of conduct, etc. Things that will make "wear a shirt and tie" seem like child's play.
As for tuition, it may not seem like a ton of help, but when you go to a school with low tuition and low cost of living, you will see the difference in the long run. Just remember, wherever you go to medical school you'll be a doctor.
Oh yeah, and medical school is supposed to be hard...just sayin'
I've been getting a vibe from a lot of SDNers that LECOM is the bottom of the barrel of DO schools. Yeah, there's a dress code. But what gives with all the hate?
I've been getting a vibe from a lot of SDNers that LECOM is the bottom of the barrel of DO schools. Yeah, there's a dress code. But what gives with all the hate?
MedPR, hate to break it to you but most likely your not as smart or special as you think you are. Just by the odds you will end up in primary care and average board scores. Now a school that has a very high pass rate obviously teaches the students well enough to make sure you will become a doctor
Ohh premeds. First Lecom should really be split into two entities. Lecom and lecom B. they really are run like two different school. I only have experience with lecom b, so all my comments are for it.
Now, the Lecom hate really only stems from premeds. Frkybgstok put it perfectly. IMO if you chose a med school for those reason you chose incredibly stupidly. Things like "state of the art facilities" or happy students in the halls look great on a pamphlet. and you can take that pamphlet and use it for tp. If you really want to spend an extra 60000 dollars for things that have absolutely no bearing on you becoming a good doctor, cool. Ill spend that money elsewhere. The only legit reason is the faculty network, which is understandable being lecom b is relatively new.
MedPR, hate to break it to you but most likely your not as smart or special as you think you are. Just by the odds you will end up in primary care and average board scores. Now a school that has a very high pass rate obviously teaches the students well enough to make sure you will become a doctor
As for dress code, I would rather spend 2 hours, three days a week for pbl in a shirt and tie than 8 hours a day of lecture 5 days a week in scrubs. Also the dress code is only m-f until 5 pm. You can wear whatever during the other hrs
Just by the odds you will end up in primary care and average board scores.
Hey, at the end of the day that's all I want. *shrugs* I don't get why that's somehow a bad thing.
MedPR, hate to break it to you but most likely your not as smart or special as you think you are. Just by the odds you will end up in primary care and average board scores.
I swear MedPR has a target on his back, lol.
Wearing a shirt and tie everyday is far from a burden or time consuming, but rather routine, and that, one that will be consistently expected of you in the near future. Regardless of what anyone says, it does have its effect on the individual. I happen to buy into the professionalism pitch.
Oh and no, there's a high pass rate at LECOM because LECOM doesn't allow students to take boards until LECOM says so, not necessarily because LECOM prepares its students better than other schools do. Everyone knows how well you do on boards is based on you, not your school.
Edit: I don't understand how so many of the best and brightest in UG suddenly turn around and are satisfied with passing. I realize that med school is hard and even smart people end up looking average (or worse) so I understand if through M1/M2 your mindset changes, but these are pre-meds we're talking about. Pre-meds/M0s who are saying "well, LECOM has a 100% pass rate, so I should go there to make sure that I pass". Seriously?
It's not a bad thing, and it has nothing to do with primary care. I'm confused why people (even those of you who want to go into less competitive fields) don't want to even try and get competitive board scores. Higher score = more choice of where you go, plus you never know how your perception of certain specialties can change during M3.
220's and and good grades your going to a good EM residency. You want Ortho, Derm ect you need a bit higher scores and equally impressive grades.
Yeah I agree. Even if you want primary care (like me) why would you not want to kick butt on boards? It only opens up the possibilities of where you could go for residency.
Wearing a shirt and tie everyday is far from a burden or time consuming, but rather routine, and that, one that will be consistently expected of you in the near future. Regardless of what anyone says, it does have its effect on the individual. I happen to buy into the professionalism pitch.
Stop speaking of things you have absolutely no knowledge about. For the love of god you havent even started med school yet.
Lecom does not prevent its students from taking the boards. If you pass all your classes, then you are allowed to sit for the boards. How is that not different than any other school? The diagnostic you take is to mak sure you wont fail. You know, nobody who has scored above 65 has EVER failed comlex. Thats the reason you take it, to make sure you can go on rotations and not be pulled because you failed comlex. I dont know about you, but iplan on graduating on time And if you do fail, then you take a kaplan like course to prepare you. But if you are in good academic standing, then you take the boards.
Cole rereading that part about frky it did sound a little rude, not my intention. Was not meant to him but more a general pre med.
But to medpr, i understand statistic just fine. Way to skew stats in your favor. "match lists you saw". Hahaha real reputable statistic there. Also fm, peds, and im are not what is considered primary care. Pretty sure your forgetting several specialties. Obgyn, gen surg, and em are all considered pc.
Sorry for typos, ipads suck for typing
hahagen surg [is] considered pc.
Edit: Also, I don't know about COMLEX, but passing for USMLE Step 1 is 188, while the average is somewhere in the 220s. There's nothing "special" about being average, but it's certainly significantly better than just passing. That's been my point all along. Simply "passing" boards is nothing to be proud of. You are expected (read: required) to pass.
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