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If someone is HIV positive, can they still apply to med school (given they are healthy). Or would they get rejected based on their disease? As a doctor, would they be able to practice medicine? say surgery?
Thank You,
 
If someone is HIV positive, can they still apply to med school (given they are healthy). Or would they get rejected based on their disease? As a doctor, would they be able to practice medicine? say surgery?
Thank You,
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Do medical schools even ask if applicants have HIV or any other potentially lethal diseases?
 
How would anyone know that the applicant was HIV+?

The disease can be controlled today (we aren't where we were 25 yrs ago) and universal precautions should serve to protect the patient from the physician but there are still risks associated with the use of scalpels. Transmiting HIV to a patient would be horrific.

I recall a news story from 15+ yrs ago of an first year resident who sero-converted after a needle stick. She ended up going into occupational medicine because it is pretty much "hands off" medicine (worker health & safety -- largely prevention and paperwork).
 
In my school, there is no requirement to disclose. If you do disclose, I believe the policy is that HIV+ students have their program modified such as they are only allowed to perform procedures where the hands are visible.

The school states that there may be problems with licensing due to program modification.

Because of the "hands visible" thing, I guess you'd be limited in the surgery/OB/Gyn exposure you could have, but most other specialities would be fair game?
 
As a doctor, would they be able to practice medicine? say surgery?

You might be able to be a surgeon, but getting malpractice/liability insurance may be a different story and that would effectively prevent you from performing any surgeries.
 
It may be hard to get into some specialties, but you can be a doctor. It's illegal to discriminate on the basis of disability, and there are no questions on medical school applications about HIV status. That being said, when you're on wards, you'll be exposed to a lot of infectious diseases (not a problem if you're well controlled, but something to think about if you've had a hard time keeping down your viral load)... If it's something that you really want to do, go for it! I bet you could really help other HIV+ patients and other patients struggling with chronic diseases 🙂
 
I think some schools require people to disclose if they have been infected with HIV as well as HepB.
 
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No need to disclose, so it shouldn't keep you from getting admitted to medicals school.

I doubt that the great fear refers to getting HIV from a needle stick, not a fear of not getting into med school due to HIV.

I have no evidence on which to base this assumption but I think that rapid administration of anti-retrovirals immediately upon exposure may reduce the likelihood of seroconversion. Maybe someone has done an observational study of this?? No time to search right now for the data but it is an interesting one.

Needle sticks have led to seroconversion but as I have said in the past, "it's not the kind of prick that's most likely to give you AIDS"
 
Needle sticks have led to seroconversion but as I have said in the past, "it's not the kind of prick that's most likely to give you AIDS"

👍 made my day :laugh:
 
Needle sticks have led to seroconversion but as I have said in the past, "it's not the kind of prick that's most likely to give you AIDS"

Haha for most guys it probably is
 
That's probably true but I was referencing the "most likely" part. I assume that the average heterosexual guy in the health care field is more likely to get HIV from the needle sticks. If I'm wrong, I don't want to know that I'm wrong
 
Having some research and policy background in HIV I can second that LizzyM is spot on. Transmission rates are very very low from needle sticks like that, especially with modern post-exposure prophylaxis. Not that we would ever mention anything remotely related to that to at-risk demographics.

Also, OP-there are many options out there for HIV and many more in the pipeline. You can't let the virus control you, control the virus and live your own life.
 
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Then apply.
 
Because of the "hands visible" thing, I guess you'd be limited in the surgery/OB/Gyn exposure you could have, but most other specialities would be fair game?

And would he later have to declare his HIV+ status in residency or once he starts practicing?
 
How would anyone know that the applicant was HIV+?

The disease can be controlled today (we aren't where we were 25 yrs ago) and universal precautions should serve to protect the patient from the physician but there are still risks associated with the use of scalpels. Transmiting HIV to a patient would be horrific.

I recall a news story from 15+ yrs ago of an first year resident who sero-converted after a needle stick. She ended up going into occupational medicine because it is pretty much "hands off" medicine (worker health & safety -- largely prevention and paperwork).

I was told by a dean in a school in GA that if they found out someone was HIV+ that they would encourage them to choose a different career. Granted, he admitted there was no way they could know unless it became obvious or the person told them and they could only encourage them.
 
I have a little experience with this, given that I had a needle stick as an intern sewing in a central line in the ICU. Patient didn't have big HIV/Hepatitis risk factors and I had a solid needle, so it was low likelihood of transmission. Of course, that was little consolation at the time, and it was all the more painful because my CT attending at the time insisted that we do rounds before I went to the ER for the needle stick protocol.

What I was told at the time about prophylaxis is this: (1) Early administration of retrovirals decrease risk of seroconversion; (2) Antiretrovirals are only strongly recommended when the source patient is known to be HIV positive or has other major risk factors for infection (sex worker, IV drug abuser, etc); (3) Whether or not to take the meds is up to you.

Thanks. My baseline was negative, patient probably didn't have HIV but had nothing documented, and I have a big gaping wound on my thumb with his blood in it. ER doc was worthless, didn't care, made that very clear from the outset ("You know, you probably just could have seen the Occ Health Clinic in the morning for this.") Oh, and wife and daughter are at home.

In the end, I elected not to do the antiretrovirals, and it turned out fine. Still, I got minimal support from anyone, and ended up ordering the infectious disease workup on my own patient (no one could tell me if informed consent from the family was necessary, and I couldn't talk to him because he was intubated). He turned out to be negative for everything, all my tests came back negative, and month later an Occ Health nurse made me come in on my one day off that month for "follow-up".

Moral of my story is this:

(1) Don't stick yourself with a damn needle

(2) Needle sticks are uber common, so consider in advance what you would do in certain circumstances, because trying to figure it out at 1600 on a post-call day is not fun.

(3) There are a handful of times in your life where your personal problems are more important than the opinions of your attendings/residents, your patients' problems, and hospital policy. In those cases, throw up the middle finger and do what needs to be done to take care of yourself.


You make a very good point here!
 
Here's some numbers:

"The risk for HIV seroconversion after percutaneous exposure to HIV-infected blood is 0.36%"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8387737

"Through December 2001, there were 57 documented cases of occupational HIV transmission to health care workers in the United States, and only one reported case has been confirmed since 2001." (there's also about another 150 cases where it's probable due to lack of non-occupational risk factors)
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/Factsheets/hcwprev.htm

"Post-exposure prophylaxis with antiretroviral medications can reduce the risk of HIV transmission by 80%"
http://www.ijoeh.com/index.php/ijoeh/article/view/368
 
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