ED Referrals- Memorable/Dismal/Ridiculous/Unique

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Most of my group don't do PTAs (based on the RNs and APPs seem to get excited when I do them). I've taken signout on them and then just offered the patient's I+D and discharge afterwards.
Some of them don't do diagnostic arthrocentesis (even knees), because I've got transfers-in for those. I did my first diagnostic paracentesis when I first started out, but they my medical director who was working too at the time was like "Why?". Half don't even attempt colles fx reduction
But all the other hand, half the RNs are ultrasound trained even at the FSED, so I'm glad I don't have to deal with ultrasound IV every dialysis or vasculopath.
Wow. The docs in your group sound like incompetent idiots. That or they're lazy to the point of malpractice. I mean, you could try to sugar coat it, but it's one or the other. Lazy and/or incompetent. Either way it's embarrassing.
 
Wow. The docs in your group sound like incompetent idiots. That or they're lazy to the point of malpractice. I mean, you could try to sugar coat it, but it's one or the other. Lazy and/or incompetent. Either way it's embarrassing.
You are likely going to offend some docs here but there is lots of truth in this.

That group has a lot of core procedures that they are not doing.
 
Our ent’s don’t even want to take official call. They are unreachable after 9pm/ weekends.
Then they turn around and want me to do procedures they should really be doing themselves. Wanted me to aspirated a parotid abscess. No thanks. That’s all you
 
I ultimately agree with much of what’s been said. However, EM initially became a field of emergency specialists who would cover all ‘emergencies’ at any hour of the day so that they could have a ‘predictable’ schedule and not be on call. I recognize that the term ‘emergencies’ has gradually become more encompassing as we became the ‘Everything Room.’ Our schedule, while it does have some positive appeal, also has many negative aspects that I don’t think we’re fully considered with the initial founding of the speciality. Either way, PTAs are easy. I’m fine if ENT doesn’t want anything to do with. At least it’s real medicine and you can make a little impact fairly easily and quickly.
 
Some of our urgent care referrals are getting so stupid that i have messaged them in Epic but sometimes it's like talking to a wall.

On a recent ED shift at FSED.
1. Patient checking in and transfer note pops up. Transfer center note: "Right shoulder injury 2 weeks ago. having pain with sleeping, Rating pain 10/10, taking meloxicam with no relief. Needing higher level of care." I see patient has had an outpatient xray without fractures, and then an outpatient MRI which showed partial-thickness supraspinatus tear, and follow up with the ortho in a few days. His chief complaint at urgent care was wanting something to help him sleep with the shoulder pain.
I messaged the NP, "so what exactly did you want me to do for this patient?"
"Well, he says his pain is 10/10 and he is already on meloxicam."
His exam is benign, surprisingly like someone with a rotator cuff issue and he is quite comfortable. I prescribed him some pain medication that obviously could not be prescribed from an urgent care.

2. Another patient checking in and a transfer center note pop up (different urgent care). Transfer note: "severe back pain, loss of bladder and bowel, not able to urinate, concern for cauda equina"
I message the MD "Hey, for patients you are worried about cauda equina, the modality of choice is going to be an MRI."
"Yes I know, but she just wanted to go there (FSED)."
"Again, you know we don't have MRI here."
Radio silence.
I go see the patient just to get ready for another transfer for MRI. Patient doesn't actually have symptoms of cauda equina. She has a history of sciatica and she has her typical unilateral right sided sciatica with your typical radicular exam. No incontinence or saddle anesthesia. I asked why the other doctor was saying she has loss of bladder (and decided to write loss of bladder and bowel function all over her chart). She says she never said anything like that, she hasn't gone to the bathroom yet because her back hurts to sit on the toilet. After some pain medication, walked around, went to the bathroom without issue and was happy. Such terrible whiplash of medical decisions that ultimately just cancelled itself out I guess.

3. Pilonidal abscess. 20s F with pilonidal abscess. Patient being transferred because her temperature was 99.9 even though she had taken tylenol earlier in the day so concern for sepsis. Patient needs labs and CT imaging.
Patient with obvious pilonidal abscess. Talked her and family off the ledge about the labs and imaging, drained the abscess. Got tired of messaging, just routed my note documenting inappropraiteness of labs and imaging for typical pilonidal abscess to the referring provider.
 
Some of our urgent care referrals are getting so stupid that i have messaged them in Epic but sometimes it's like talking to a wall.

On a recent ED shift at FSED.
1. Patient checking in and transfer note pops up. Transfer center note: "Right shoulder injury 2 weeks ago. having pain with sleeping, Rating pain 10/10, taking meloxicam with no relief. Needing higher level of care." I see patient has had an outpatient xray without fractures, and then an outpatient MRI which showed partial-thickness supraspinatus tear, and follow up with the ortho in a few days. His chief complaint at urgent care was wanting something to help him sleep with the shoulder pain.
I messaged the NP, "so what exactly did you want me to do for this patient?"
"Well, he says his pain is 10/10 and he is already on meloxicam."
His exam is benign, surprisingly like someone with a rotator cuff issue and he is quite comfortable. I prescribed him some pain medication that obviously could not be prescribed from an urgent care.
Hah I’ll say though that at least my local ED is not innocent in this either.

True story with no exaggeration: I was on call a few months ago, got woken up from sleep at 2am for an ER “consult” from a physician.

“Hi this patient has [biopsy proven metastatic cancer with records in the same system as this ER] and has yet to get established but has an appointment in your office in 6 days. They are here with severe pain [you know… from the biopsy proven cancer eating away at their bones] but we can only write them 3 days of pain medication. If they call your office can you give them more even if they haven’t had their appointment yet?”

I just said sure we’ll take care of them and got off the phone but took me 20-30 minutes to fall back asleep as it hit me wtf kinda system we are working in
 
Just saw this one earlier.

UCC referral to ED for "Severe abdominal pain, needs CT to rule out pathology."
17 year old male who works at a restaurant who missed a week of work because he had something that sounds like a cold vs pretty mild covid/flu. Felt MUCH better last night and decided to eat, and this is an exact quote, "two bags of doritos, but the really big bags from costco" because he was so hungry but his family had already eaten dinner without him. Wakes up the next morning (today) with a severe stomach ache that resolved after a few hours. work tells him he needs to see a doctor to go back to work after a week of URI. He is asymptomatic in the evening from both URI and stomach perspective when he goes to the UCC and tells them as much. They find out about the stomach pain on ROS and send him here for CT study.

The worst part is they documented the above stuff. Its not like they did a ****ty history... they GOT the history correct. They correctly identified the doritos for dinner yesterday, the tummy ache in the morning, and that patient was fully asymptomatic by the afternoon and was only asking for clearance to return to work. No tenderness noted on their exam. Still sent him here for a CT. Thankfully mother knew how absurd this all was and was 100% on board with an oral pepcid as a ward against future stomach ache and a DC to home.

The doc who sent him is ABEM *and* has a concierge practice. Only consolation I had is that he went to some random residency I had never heard of.
 
The doc who sent him is ABEM *and* has a concierge practice. Only consolation I had is that he went to some random residency I had never heard of.
I understand concierge PCPs, but the idea of concierge EM goes against the ethos of our specialty and is kinda bordering on evil.
 
I understand concierge PCPs, but the idea of concierge EM goes against the ethos of our specialty and is kinda bordering on evil.

Imagine for profit hospitals having to compete with concierge EM/hospital. What could go wrong?
 
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I just say "thanks for the heads up" and then if it's not anything urgent, they wait like the rest of them. We participate in Brain Injury Guidelines. We once saw a CEO who had a 1 mm subdural after a head injury, repeat head CT negative, and was discharged. His concierge doc sent him in a week later saying if he's discharged without seeing neurosurgery he would report whomever to the state medical board. I saw him, discharged him without repeat imaging, and confirmed he had a neurosurgery appointment 2 days later.

It really hurts their claim for access to faster care when it doesn't happen. I'm sorry, I don't give special treatment to concierge patients just because they pay a doc a monthly fee to have their cell phone number.
 
Transfer from Urgent Care: Earring stuck

Patient has an ear gauge with flared sides. She couldn't remove it today. "Urgent care told me to come here because you have special tools" (I don't have even have a plier in this ED, wtf special tool). No pain, no infection. She just couldn't take it out today.

Urgent care note: "No emergent conditions. Referred to ED for removal."

Messaged UC doc: "In your note, tou documented no emergent conditions. Why did you send this patient to the ED."
"Oh, she wanted to get it done today." WTF

Patient did not have her ear gauge removed that day.
 
Transfer from Urgent Care: Earring stuck

Patient has an ear gauge with flared sides. She couldn't remove it today. "Urgent care told me to come here because you have special tools" (I don't have even have a plier in this ED, wtf special tool). No pain, no infection. She just couldn't take it out today.

Urgent care note: "No emergent conditions. Referred to ED for removal."

Messaged UC doc: "In your note, tou documented no emergent conditions. Why did you send this patient to the ED."
"Oh, she wanted to get it done today." WTF

Patient did not have her ear gauge removed that day.
Do what now?

In my FM residency I probably had to remove half a dozen earrings because teenagers don't follow directions very well. Scalpel to expand the opening a little bit and just remove, no special tools needed.
 
Patient "referred" by Jenny McJennerson, NP, RN, BSN, LMNOPQRS, 10 time tinder swiping champ, practicing at the bottom of her license, after they correctly diagnosed and treated the patients streptococcal pharyngitis at the Urgent Scare....but....had a fever and "has a history of sepsis."

So naturally, straight to the ED.
 
Just reminds of a pt I saw at the freestanding almost 20 years ago. Ear pain, right in the middle. I look in the EAC with the otoscope. What's there? An earring back embedded in the TM. And, it looked like it had been there a while. I called on call ENT, and he reconfirmed what I told him, as he said it "didn't sound right". But, I recall, he also asked for the next day, because he was overloaded with ER follow-ups from being on call over the weekend, too. However, never heard anything back.
 
Stuff stuck in the ears and the nose are Not Emergencies around here.

We give it an honest effort with our stone age tools, otherwise ENT clinic in the next day or two.
I had a patient recently with a wasp in her ear. Absolute pain in the ass. Severe anxiety. Medicaid insurance and ENTs drag their feet here seeing anyone without good insurance. I got so mad that I gave her a shot of haldol and then took it out.