Psychiatry movie coming out soon: Side Effects

Join 20k+ experts to get paid to advance AI with your medical expertise!
This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.
I

imp3tigo

Full Member
10+ Year Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2009
Messages
48
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
Stupid title and kind of silly premise (apparently someone becomes psychotic from a med side effect) but still it features Jude Law as a psychiatrist, is directed by Steven Soderbergh, and seems to be a decent thriller in the vein of Shutter Island. 😎

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS5MQlDSiS8
 
Public reaction: "I heard that psychiatrists can put you on drugs that actually make you go crazy and kill people."
 
shan564 said:
Public reaction: "I heard that psychiatrists can put you on drugs that actually make you go crazy and kill people."
Click to expand...

👍 Along with all our patients who have the widely-known "allergy" to risperidone of "hallucinations".... 🙄
 
nice that catherine zeta jones is in it..she had announced she has bipolar 2 as was treated..
really awesome that she is in this movie..
when psychiatrists have helped her..

gd
 
Last edited:
SPOILER RE: Shutter Island

I thought Shutter Island was very positive regarding psychiatry. Although they were to lobotomize him at the end of the film, the amount of time they spent with him indulging his delusions was remarkable. And most likely they thought the lobotomy the right thing to do. I can't imagine that in real life any patient would receive that much attention.

END SPOILER

As far as this movie, we don't know that it demonizes psychiatry. Given that it's a thriller, it's probably not going to be what the trailer suggests. I've seen at least two thrillers with demonic dentists, but I don't think they caused mass hysteria about dentistry. One Hour Photo was one of the creepiest thrillers I've ever seen, and it was a guy who worked at Walmart. So, in this movie the psychiatrist is the vehicle as the perceived villain. Most of my jobs have been in customer service. If there were a thriller with an evil customer service agent, I don't think I would be upset by it at all.

Re: Catherine Zeta Jones and the previous comment, my own opinion, is that we should treat all people as if they have all the layers of a human being. Psychiatry by definition is about treating the mind and soul. I'm not sure why Jones should be pigeonholed as a psychiatric patient who has to be a poster child for bipolar. Isn't the idea of medicine to restore functioning to a person so they can live as much as possible as if they didn't have the illness? Why turn down a good role? It's a better gig than T-mobile commercials.

Plus, we don't even know what the movie is about! It could be pro-psychiatric drugs for all we know.
 
birchswing said:
SPOILER RE: Shutter Island

I thought Shutter Island was very positive regarding psychiatry. Although they were to lobotomize him at the end of the film, the amount of time they spent with him indulging his delusions was remarkable. And most likely they thought the lobotomy the right thing to do. I can't imagine that in real life any patient would receive that much attention.

END SPOILER

As far as this movie, we don't know that it demonizes psychiatry. Given that it's a thriller, it's probably not going to be what the trailer suggests. I've seen at least two thrillers with demonic dentists, but I don't think they caused mass hysteria about dentistry. One Hour Photo was one of the creepiest thrillers I've ever seen, and it was a guy who worked at Walmart. So, in this movie the psychiatrist is the vehicle as the perceived villain. Most of my jobs have been in customer service. If there were a thriller with an evil customer service agent, I don't think I would be upset by it at all.

Re: Catherine Zeta Jones and the previous comment, my own opinion, is that we should treat all people as if they have all the layers of a human being. Psychiatry by definition is about treating the mind and soul. I'm not sure why Jones should be pigeonholed as a psychiatric patient who has to be a poster child for bipolar. Isn't the idea of medicine to restore functioning to a person so they can live as much as possible as if they didn't have the illness? Why turn down a good role? It's a better gig than T-mobile commercials.

Plus, we don't even know what the movie is about! It could be pro-psychiatric drugs for all we know.
Click to expand...

Steven Soderbergh reteams with his Contagion screenwriter Scott Z. Burns for this psychological thriller starring Rooney Mara and (Channing Tatum) as a couple whose lives are shattered by a mysterious new prescription drug. Jude Law co-stars in the Endgame Entertainment production. ~ Jeremy Wheeler, Rovi
http://www.fandango.com/sideeffects_v555591/plotsummary

and if you dont want to be a poster child..dont tell everyone what illness you have..
 
GroverPsychMD said:
and if you dont want to be a poster child..dont tell everyone what illness you have..
Click to expand...
Or do so while being non-famous and non-stunningly attractive...

No one's made me the poster child for acid reflux...
 
Congrats! (You aren't a real medical specialty until somebody's made a movie vilifying you!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathology_(film)

Synopsis 'cuz ain't nobody seen this: Path residents "commit perfect murders" as an extracurricular). My favourite part: "Teddy is quickly noticed by the program's privileged and elite band of pathology interns who invite him into their crowd." LOL 🙂
 
Last edited:
birchswing said:
As far as this movie, we don't know that it demonizes psychiatry.
Click to expand...

Yeah, that's not the impression I got at all from the trailer. To me it seems similar to Shutter Island, which I felt positively portrayed psychiatry (except for the lobotomy as previously mentioned, but in the historical setting of the movie in the 1950s or so it's fairly reasonable to put that in). It seems to be a psychological thriller with a psychiatric setting, and looks pretty decent. I may just rent it someday.

Lol @ the pathology movie... I may have to watch that someday too just out of curiosity.
 
If the movie actively vilified psychiatry, it'd be easy to refute. My concern is that part of the theme is the fact that a psychiatrist prescribes a med that makes a person "crazy," so it'll create a subconscious association between psychiatric medications and horrible side effects.
 
Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
shan564 said:
If the movie actively vilified psychiatry, it'd be easy to refute. My concern is that part of the theme is the fact that a psychiatrist prescribes a med that makes a person "crazy," so it'll create a subconscious association between psychiatric medications and horrible side effects.
Click to expand...

Good point. We'll have to see how it turns out.
 
ppl already think that anyway..
with holmes and lanza...the first question was "what meds are they taking" "it must be DUE TO the meds"..
 
Re: Hollywood, being over ECT. Did you all see Mad Men last season?

I'm not sure why it's something Hollywood would ever get over. It has such wonderful storytelling properties. Total loss of control, submitting, reset of personality, authority, memory loss, the simplicity of electricity applied to the brain. The word "shock" itself.

I thought Mad Men had a beautiful, haunting, tragic, measured, though very romanticized (in a tragic way), view of ECT. It's the part of the season that stuck with me the most because the rest of the season became sort of flat after Don's secret didn't seem to matter anymore, along with every episode serving as a history lesson. Pete became the new protagonist in a lot of ways, and it was his girlfriend Beth who underwent ECT, knowing she would forget who Pete was.

Also, remember that one of the most critically acclaimed movies of last year was a bit of a take-down, or at least deconstruction, of Scientology. There were no major films, as far as I know, on any of the dark manifestations of psychiatry.
 
I just have that opinion based on a couple of things I've seen recently. Most notably, an episode of "Royal Pains" where a patient and doctor had a great conversation about ECT in which they directly addressed a lot of misconceptions and showed it in a very realistic way.
 
not to threadjack but.... did anyone else see Jessica Lange's character in American Horror Story: Asylum get ECT this week and have a full blown hallucination about "The Name Game?"
 
Saw the movie the other day. It's not at all what I was expecting. I liked it. I won't spoil it for anyone, but there are some interesting plot twists.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
OK--I saw the trailer this afternoon (before Les Miz 😳) and I.
Click to expand...

ummm...there are certain things some dudes(at least heterosexual dudes) just shouldn't announce....unless it contains an explanation along with it(like you did something bad and are trying to make it up to your wife)
 
Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
vistaril said:
ummm...there are certain things some dudes(at least heterosexual dudes) just shouldn't announce....unless it contains an explanation along with it(like you did something bad and are trying to make it up to your wife)
Click to expand...

I just went for the gun battles... :naughty:
 
OldPsychDoc said:
I just went for the gun battles... :naughty:
Click to expand...
For me, the draw would be Anne Hathaway....

Guns, women, crime, radical politics... sounds like a pretty red-blooded flick to me once you get around the singing...
 
notdeadyet said:
For me, the draw would be Anne Hathaway....

Guns, women, crime, radical politics... sounds like a pretty red-blooded flick to me once you get around the singing...
Click to expand...

nope....that's excuse making/rationalization. If you're a straight guy and you're going to a movie where the target male audience isn't straight, well you've gotta ask yourself what that is all about.

I can find good movies with lots of guns, action and women that arent musicals.
 
vistaril said:
nope....that's excuse making/rationalization. If you're a straight guy and you're going to a movie where the target male audience isn't straight, well you've gotta ask yourself what that is all about.

I can find good movies with lots of guns, action and women that arent musicals.
Click to expand...

I think you need more music in your life, Vist.

billypilgrim37 said:
Should we invoke the Tom Haverford 1/2 x Age + 7 rule?
Click to expand...
ppfft. I'm going with the Tony Randall "IF (1/3 * age) & >18, THEN go for it" algorithm. 😉
 
Giemsa said:
Congrats! (You aren't a real medical specialty until somebody's made a movie vilifying you!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathology_(film)

Synopsis 'cuz ain't nobody seen this: Path residents "commit perfect murders" as an extracurricular). My favourite part: "Teddy is quickly noticed by the program’s privileged and elite band of pathology interns who invite him into their crowd." LOL 🙂
Click to expand...

Oh! I've seen it! We watched it because it was medical and had Peter Petrelli (from Heroes) in it...and it was one of the most twisted movies I've ever seen.

It's basically the plot of The Firm, but with murdering Path residents instead of evil lawyers.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
I think you need more music in your life, Vist.
QUOTE]

oh I'm a huge music person. I just tend to go for more of the bad*** hard rock...I guess it's the Y chromosome in me.
Click to expand...
 
Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
billypilgrim37 said:
This reminds me I need to renew my opera subscription...
Click to expand...

I realize at this point this thread has become mostly sarcarm(at least I hope?), but in all seriousness that is an aspect a lot of decent american med students(men and women) find a turnoff about psychiatry....

I can honestly say that i don't dislike most of the people I have met and work with in psychiatry, but I love: football, guns, badass filets at top steakhouses, smoking cigars, drinking good scotch and watching the ladies at an upscale gentlemans establishment, hunting, blowemup and shootem dead action movies, playing golf on sunday afternoons and talking football....you get the point.
 
vistaril said:
I realize at this point this thread has become mostly sarcarm
Click to expand...
Nope. I've had an opera subscription since I moved here.
vistaril said:
I love: football, guns, badass filets at top steakhouses, smoking cigars, drinking good scotch and watching the ladies at an upscale gentlemans establishment, hunting, blowemup and shootem dead action movies, playing golf on sunday afternoons and talking football....you get the point.
Click to expand...
Actually, you sound exactly like one of my very good lesbian friends in all those regards.

I bet my whiskey collection would actually knock yours out of the park 😉.
 
surftheiop said:
Thanks for the tip, just rescheduled our psych interest group talk to a strip club, should assure that only decent med-students attend.
Click to expand...

if the program and boss types are ok with it, I think that would be a darn good idea. And im 100% serious.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Ah yes, field research into sexual boundaries & borderline personality disorder.
Super idea....🙄
Click to expand...

Or(what I was thinking) you could at it as field research into hanging out with cool, laid back people who like to have fun and aren't uptight.

Something like that probably wouldn't be 'officially' sponsored by the program so the residents and applicants woud be responsible for picking up their own tabs, but it could still be organized and it would just give off the right vibe.
 
vistaril said:
Or(what I was thinking) you could at it as field research into hanging out with cool, laid back people who like to have fun and aren't uptight.

Something like that probably wouldn't be 'officially' sponsored by the program so the residents and applicants woud be responsible for picking up their own tabs, but it could still be organized and it would just give off the right vibe.
Click to expand...

I imagine that even if done without "official" sponsorship, your administration (and likely state psychiatric society as well) would vehemently disagree. This kind of "entertainment" isn't even accepted for college football recruits anymore, let alone professionals, which you purport to be.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
I imagine that even if done without "official" sponsorship, your administration (and likely state psychiatric society as well) would vehemently disagree. This kind of "entertainment" isn't even accepted for college football recruits anymore, let alone professionals, which you purport to be.
Click to expand...

I'm not sure what the gentlemans clubs are like in your area, but I'm not talking about some sort of sketchy joint on the rough side of town which basically serves as a front for prostitution and drugs. I'm talking about places where the clientele is overwhelmingly professional and upper middle class. Some of the better clubs in large cities have 4 star restaurant quality dining, impressive wine/liquor/beer lists, tremendous cigar selections, etc...

I think it can be overstated(because you can never be sure who is going to be in your class), but in general people want to work with people they like. Some guy I can have a few drinks with and enjoy a cigar with at an upscale gentlemans club is going to be someone I would probably like to work with.
 
vistaril said:
I'm not sure what the gentlemans clubs are like in your area, but I'm not talking about some sort of sketchy joint on the rough side of town which basically serves as a front for prostitution and drugs. I'm talking about places where the clientele is overwhelmingly professional and upper middle class. Some of the better clubs in large cities have 4 star restaurant quality dining, impressive wine/liquor/beer lists, tremendous cigar selections, etc...

I think it can be overstated(because you can never be sure who is going to be in your class), but in general people want to work with people they like. Some guy I can have a few drinks with and enjoy a cigar with at an upscale gentlemans club is going to be someone I would probably like to work with.
Click to expand...

To quote someone earlier in this thread, "that's excuse making/rationalization".

It's like arguing the relative level of professionalism of having Playboy in your office waiting room vs Hustler.

Plenty of places to enjoy a 4-star meal, cocktail, and maybe even a cigar (though in this day & age of indoor smoking ordinances, I wouldn't bet on it) without anyone needing to take their clothes off...
 
vistaril said:
I'm not sure what the gentlemans clubs are like in your area, but I'm not talking about some sort of sketchy joint on the rough side of town which basically serves as a front for prostitution and drugs. I'm talking about places where the clientele is overwhelmingly professional and upper middle class. Some of the better clubs in large cities have 4 star restaurant quality dining, impressive wine/liquor/beer lists, tremendous cigar selections, etc...

I think it can be overstated(because you can never be sure who is going to be in your class), but in general people want to work with people they like. Some guy I can have a few drinks with and enjoy a cigar with at an upscale gentlemans club is going to be someone I would probably like to work with.
Click to expand...

I get the hanging out in a social atmosphere bit. But a titty bar? I lost interest in those when I was 17.
 
Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
OldPsychDoc said:
To quote someone earlier in this thread, "that's excuse making/rationalization".

It's like arguing the relative level of professionalism of having Playboy in your office waiting room vs Hustler.

Plenty of places to enjoy a 4-star meal, cocktail, and maybe even a cigar (though in this day & age of indoor smoking ordinances, I wouldn't bet on it) without anyone needing to take their clothes off...
Click to expand...

oh don't get my wrong....I like that aspect of it too🙂.....that is definately all part of the atmosphere.

I guess what I'm trying to get across is that if someone is going to get all hysterical and think "oh my god how could he ask if we wanted to hang out there", well, that's really not the kind of person I want to work with.

Now maybe for whatever reason that's not their thing and they don't want to go. That's fine too, if the person is cool about it.

If I told my fiance I was going to an opera with some friends(to reference a post by billyp earlier) she would be a combination of baffled and upset. maybe a little worried too. When I tell her I'm going to (insert a popular gentlemans club) with some friends she is totally cool with it and tells me to have a good time. She's even come with me on a couple of occasions.

I guess it's very community dependent. I've spent time in a few cities after high school(both visiting and living) and there is no stigma in going to the better places. You'll see women and men there. atheists and christians. democrats and republicans. Doctors and lawyers.
 
Please correct me if I am missing something, but are we seriously discussing the appropriateness of having a professional meeting at an establishment in which women are paid to remove their clothing?

I am hesitant to jump into this one, but it has to be said. What people do in their personal time is, more or less, their own business. However, the idea of using the willingness to patronize one of these establishment as a barometer for acceptable future colleagues is a bit much- to put it lightly.

It seems possible that practices like this may, in part, account for the historical dearth of women in some professions.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
kindasorta said:
I get the hanging out in a social atmosphere bit. But a titty bar? I lost interest in those when I was 17.
Click to expand...

Nobody would call a good gentlemans club a 'titty bar'......those two couldnt be more different. You are thinking of a totally different type of experience.
 
purple rain said:
Please correct me if I am missing something, but are we seriously discussing the appropriateness of having a professional meeting at an establishment in which women are paid to remove their clothing?

I am a hesitant to jump into this one, but it has to be said. What people do in their personal time is, more or less, their own business. However, the idea of using the willingness to patronize one of these establishment as a barometer for acceptable future colleagues is a bit much- to put it lightly.

It seems possible that practices like this may, in part, account for the historical dearth of women in some professions.
Click to expand...

Ah, don't let him get to you. There's no way that anybody ACTUALLY believes that a "gentleman's club" is an appropriate venue for anything professional.
 
purple rain said:
Please correct me if I am missing something, but are we seriously discussing the appropriateness of having a professional meeting at an establishment in which women are paid to remove their clothing?

I am hesitant to jump into this one, but it has to be said. What people do in their personal time is, more or less, their own business. However, the idea of using the willingness to patronize one of these establishment as a barometer for acceptable future colleagues is a bit much- to put it lightly.

It seems possible that practices like this may, in part, account for the historical dearth of women in some professions.
Click to expand...

it wouldn't be a 'professional meeting'.....ideally, it would be a situation where a few of the residents meet the applicants for the typical dinner somewhere the night before interview day. After the dinner, as the applicants are fixing to disperse to their hotel or whatever, one or more of the residents(if I were in on it) could feel out(maybe individually or 2 at a time) the applicants to see if they would be interested in going and hanging out there as a way to end the evening. You'd have to make a point that it isn't really sponsored by the program.

I should mention that I graduate in 5 months and I don't think we have any more interviews scheduled(if we do maybe 1)....and I was never all that involved in pre-interview dinners and such anyways...although I did participate a bit in the interview day at the hospital itself usually. And I'm probably not going to take a job in academics. So it isn't like this is ever going to come up for me in the future. At least in a psychiatry program....in private jobs I could definately see it.
 
shan564 said:
Ah, don't let him get to you. There's no way that anybody ACTUALLY believes that a "gentleman's club" is an appropriate venue for anything professional.
Click to expand...

you are missing the point....it wouldnt be some formal 'professional' thing.

Think about all the awkward forced social things you did with residents related to the interview. I remember one night before an interview we met 3 residents(i think there were 4 of us applicants) for tea and coffee. And then made forced conversation about where we were from, what areas of psych we were interested in, asked the usual questions about their program, etc.....all while we sat around and drank coffee and/or tea in some crappy coffee house. I *guarantee* you not a single person of the 7 involved(at least I hope not) had a good time. I certainly didn't feel like I clicked with the residents, but heck sitting around drinking crappy tea listening to crappy elevator music I probably wouldn't have clicked with the coolest person in the world. If there would have been a situation where a couple of the people who would be cool went to a gentlemans club with a couple of the residents who were also cool with that(the others could go somewhere they preferred), I guarantee you we would have had a better time, clicked better, felt more comfortable, and really got a better sense of what they were like....and more importantly what their program was like.
 
Note to applicants: if any resident (or staff for that matter) invites you to a "gentleman's club", however "upscale" such establishment may be, please feel free to report that invitation to the Program Director. Said resident may indeed decide that you're not someone he wants to work with, but rest assured, he will not be there in that program the next time you visit. 🙄
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Note to applicants: if any resident (or staff for that matter) invites you to a "gentleman's club", however "upscale" such establishment may be, please feel free to report that invitation to the Program Director. Said resident may indeed decide that you're not someone he wants to work with, but rest assured, he will not be there in that program the next time you visit. 🙄
Click to expand...

Yeah, I was about to say something along those lines, but I'm glad that a real PD beat me to it.
 
In this case a professional meeting denotes any gathering that would affect potential employment.

To wrap up- I hope my intimate knowledge and appreciation of the leitmotifs of Wagner's Ring Cycle are no more likely to get me hired than another candidates intimate knowledge and appreciation of gentleman's clubs.
 
purple rain said:
In this case a professional meeting denotes any gathering that would affect potential employment.

To wrap up- I hope my intimate knowledge and appreciation of the leitmotifs of Wagner's Ring Cycle are no more likely to get me hired than another candidates intimate knowledge and appreciation of gentleman's clubs.
Click to expand...

Or the Krebs Cycle.
 
Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

D
So, Ryan Haight waiver likely coming to an end soon?
Replies
22
Views
4K
clausewitz2
clausewitz2
PsyDr
  • Sticky
AI in Psychiatry
2 3
Replies
145
Views
10K
hallowmann
hallowmann
FatherPsychiatry
  • Poll Poll
Effects of OBBB on psychiatric care?
Replies
13
Views
2K
FatherPsychiatry
FatherPsychiatry
FatherPsychiatry
Psychiatry MGMA Salaries 2025
Replies
25
Views
5K
FlowRate
FlowRate
B
Psychiatry Earning Potential
Replies
30
Views
4K
splik
splik
Top Bottom